Should the Gospel of John be removed from the Bible?

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Introduction: The Problem of the Fourth Gospel

While traditionally viewed as the work of John the Apostle, modern critical scholarship has raised serious questions about its authorship, dating, and theological motivations. My examination will try to analyze ten major areas of concern that collectively undermine the Gospel's claims to historical reliability and divine inspiration..

1. The Insurmountable Dating Problem


Conservative estimates place its composition between 90-110 CE, while more critical scholars often argue for an even later date.

This means that at least 60 to 80 years had passed between Jesus’ ministry (c. 27–30 CE) and the composition of the Gospel of John. Given that the average life expectancy in first-century Palestine was around 35 to 40 years, an author claiming to be an eyewitness would need to be over 70 years old at the time of writing—making such a scenario seem highly unlikely."

The advanced Christology present in John (e.g., the pre-existent Logos in 1:1) reflects theological developments that took decades to emerge. As noted by theologian James Dunn, this represents a clear evolution beyond the more primitive Christology found in Mark and other Gospels.

Gospel of John was first mentioned by the time of Irenaeus (c. 180 CE). The author of the Gospel of John claims to have known Jesus personally, referring to 'The Disciple whom Jesus loved' as a source. However, the Gospel’s late composition, advanced theological development, and signs of later editing suggest it couldn't have been written by an intimate eyewitness.

2. The "Beloved Disciple" Enigma

The mysterious figure described in Gospel of John: the "Disciple whom Jesus loved" presents numerous historical and literary problems:

Complete Absence in Synoptic Tradition: This privileged disciple, who reclines next to Jesus at the Last Supper (John 13:23) and receives special revelation, never appears in Matthew, Mark, or Luke. This absence is particularly striking given that:
  • The Synoptics name multiple disciples
  • They record Jesus' inner circle (Peter, James, John)
  • They do not mention any secret "teachings" or knowledge that was given to apostle John exclusively
Competition with Peter: The Gospel consistently elevates the Beloved Disciple above Peter in key moments:
  • At the empty tomb (20:2-8), the Beloved Disciple outruns Peter
  • At the crucifixion (19:26-27), Jesus entrusts his mother to this disciple
  • The appendix (chapter 21) seems to defend this disciple's authority against Petrine claims
Secret Teaching Claims: Passages like John 13:23-26 and 21:20-24 suggest this disciple received special revelation unavailable to others. This resembles later Gnostic claims of secret knowledge, raising questions about authenticity.

As scholar Raymond Brown concluded in his landmark study, this figure likely represents the idealized founder of the Johannine community rather than a historical individual.

3. Dionysian Worship and Hellenistic Influence
The symbolic structure of John's Gospel shows striking parallels with Dionysian religion that go beyond superficial similarities:

• *The Cana Miracle (2:1-11)*: This first "sign" transforms water into wine, which:
  • Mirrors Dionysus's central miracle
  • Occurs at a wedding feast (Dionysus was patron of weddings)
  • Produces an excessive amount (about 120 gallons) of superior wine
Vine Imagery: The extended "I am the true vine" discourse (15:1-17) appropriates Dionysian symbolism while asserting Christian superiority. In Greek religion, the vine represented:
  • Divine ecstasy
  • Spiritual intoxication
  • Union with the god
Blood/Wine Symbolism: John 6:53-56's shocking language about drinking blood (absolutely forbidden in Judaism, Leviticus 17:10-14) makes more sense in a Hellenistic context where wine represented the god's blood in mystery religions.

Gospel of John tries to present Jesus as better than Dionysus throughout the Gospel.
Many modern scholars, such as Robert M. Price note that these parallels are too extensive to be coincidental, suggesting conscious adaptation of pagan motifs for Christian evangelism.

4. Christological Differences across Gospels
John's portrait of Jesus differs radically from Synoptic tradition in key areas:

Dualism: John's light/darkness framework (1:5, 3:19-21, 8:12, etc.) reflects:
  • Jewish Apocalypticism
  • Qumran community theology
  • Zoroastrian influence
This represents a significant development beyond Hebrew Bible thought.

Eschatology: While the Synoptics emphasize future judgment, John promotes "realized eschatology" where:
  • Eternal life is a present possession (5:24)
  • Judgment is already occurring (3:18-19)
  • Resurrection is spiritualized (11:25-26)

5. Chronological and Topographical Problems

John's narrative contains numerous inconsistencies with Synoptic accounts:
Ministry Duration: John's three-year framework (implied by multiple Passovers) contradicts the Synoptic single-year ministry.

Temple Incident: Placing the Temple cleansing at the beginning of Jesus' ministry (2:13-22) rather than the end creates logical problems:
  • Why no mention in Synoptics of an early incident?
  • How could Jesus continue teaching there if he caused such disruption early on?

Geographical Issues: John's Jesus:
  • Makes multiple trips to Jerusalem unlike the Synoptics' single journey
  • Conducts a Judean ministry before Galilean work (contrary to Synoptic sequence)
  • Places the calling of disciples after the Baptist's imprisonment (1:35-42), unlike Mark 1:14-20

6. Conflicts with Old Testament
Several Johannine doctrines directly oppose Torah teaching:
Incarnation: The claim that "the Word became flesh" (1:14) violates:
  • Deuteronomy's strict monotheism (6:4)
  • Prophetic warnings against divine embodiment (Isaiah 42:8)
  • "God cannot dwell inside us in flesh'' - Exodus 25–40; Leviticus 16
Replacement Theology: John systematically replaces Jewish institutions:
  • Temple replaced by Jesus' body (2:21)
  • Jesus as the new Moses (John 6:32–35)
Predestination Language: Passages like John 6:44 ("No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father") seemingly contradict Deuteronomy's emphasis on free will (30:19).

7. Controversial and Troubling Passages
Several Johannine texts have proven historically problematic:

Anti-Jewish Polemic: John 8:44's "your father is the devil" charge has fueled centuries of antisemitism.

Exclusivism: John 14:6's claim that Jesus is the only way to God represents:
  • A departure from Jewish universalism
  • A late theological development
  • A potential political statement against competing Christian groups
Sacramentalism: The extreme realism of John 6:53-56 ("eat my flesh... drink my blood"):

8. The Johannine Community Context
The Gospel's distinctive features likely reflect its community's historical situation:

Synagogue Expulsion: References to being "put out of the synagogue" (9:22, 12:42, 16:2) match what we know of the Birkat haMinim (c. 85 CE), a curse against heretics added to synagogue prayers.

Sectarian Mentality: The community's:
  • Dualistic worldview
  • Claim to special revelation
  • Resembles sectarian groups like the Qumran community.

9. The Prologue is inspired by Philo of Alexandria
John 1:1-18's Logos theology shows clear dependence on Greek thought:
Philo of Alexandria: The Jewish philosopher's concept of the Logos as:
  • Divine intermediary
  • Cosmic principle
  • God's rational expression
= Provides exact parallels to John's prologue.

The prologue is clearly dependent Stoic Influences; therefore, it is not original to author himself and definitely not the word of God.
The Stoic Logos as:
  • Universal reason
  • Ordering principle
  • Divine spark in humanity

Conclusion:
The cumulative weight of evidence suggests the Fourth Gospel is:
  • A late theological composition (and its further development)
  • Shaped by community conflicts and cultural adaptation
  • Highly Influenced by Hellenistic religion
  • At considerable remove from historical events

It cannot be considered either:
  • An eyewitness account
  • Divinely inspired in any unique sense
  • Theologically aligned with other Gospels or Old Testament
  • Written by actual apostle of John
 

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You lost me at "modern critical scholarship".

No need to read beyond that.

Nice moniker. You chose well.
 

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Conservative estimates place its composition between 90-110 CE, while more critical scholars often argue for an even later date.
John 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

The pool of Bethesda was destroyed in 70AD, which places its composition prior to 70AD not 90-110AD.
 
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Johns whole gospel was about proving that Jesus was sent by the Father and Jesus revealing the Fathers heart to us that all we need to know to see the truth.
 

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This means that at least 60 to 80 years had passed between Jesus’ ministry (c. 27–30 CE) and the composition of the Gospel of John. Given that the average life expectancy in first-century Palestine was around 35 to 40 years, an author claiming to be an eyewitness would need to be over 70 years old at the time of writing—making such a scenario seem highly unlikely."
Average life expectancy is misunderstood by many people. They skim over the word "average" and fixate on the figures.

35-40 years was the average! People died younger, and also much older, than that.

Now the reason it's much lower than today was the high mortality in infancy. Up to 50% of children died before the age of 5 years. But if you survived to the age of 5, you would probably survive to adulthood. And if you made it to your twenties, then unless you died from violence or accident (or childbirth, in the case of women), you had a pretty good chance of reaching 60 or 70!

So there were plenty of elderly people around. Not as high a proportion as today, of course, but enough to make a 70-year old eyewitness nothing unusual.