Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ

[GodsGrace]

It is "real" ! SOMEONE MADE IT. It is a true and real FRAUD! A lot of people seek to maintain or get attention, power, and money because of or from it, same as why deception is so common throughout all the centuries , as God Says in the Bible. Beware!

No one made that thing Joseph.
I'm not affirming that I'm sure it's real...
I don't know what it is...
but it's not man-made.
With all the technology we have today, and it still cannot be duplicated.

Please explain how money is being made from this Shroud.
It's housed in a church up in Turin...I forget the name.
They keep a replica in the church, but every now and then they put out the real one.
It looks exactly the same so I don't understand this.

When they put out the real one, there's no charge to see it. Some tourist companies make money by putting together bus tours,,,maybe the stores and restrnts make some extra money, and maybe not - because Turin is a tourist spot anyway.

What makes you be so sure it's a fake?

 

[Joseph77]

What makes you be so sure it's a fake?

"Another voice" totally supports it and defends it.
Another voice instead of and different from and opposed to Jesus' Voice.

 

[brian100]

The whole thing, start to finish, is of the devil in origin, in promoting it, and in believing in it.

Then by your own admission that your destiny. To be an unbeliever in Jesus Christ miracles, and going out of your way to say it was the devils work.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong this is an investigation topic into the Shroud. To see a sword handle on the Shroud means hes God. And it means your religion is wrong.

Ignoring my questions to you in post #408 tells me that you have a problem answering them. That sure is indicative that your doctrines are false and that you are preaching another gospel other than what the apostles preached.

You said "Tong this is an investigation topic into the Shroud." So, why don't you answer my questions in post #408?

Tong
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[Joseph77]

Then by your own admission that your destiny.

My own testimony of Jesus, in and from the Father , in and from and in harmony with His Word,

as we Ekklesia , born again ones, overcome (the enemy) by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and the WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY,
as
the Father accomplishes all He Says Clearly.... and protects us from the deception of demons and of the false church world wide.

 

[brian100]

I'm going to ignore you now tong.. you have nothing to defeat me on here. Everyone can look at the Shroud on their own power as I have done.

 

[Joseph77]

I'm going to ignore you now tong.. you have nothing to defeat me on here. Everyone can look at the Shroud on their own power as I have done.

Yes, so many have been deceived along with you, in their own power.

Opposed to Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Joseph77
@Cristo Rei


This is what people see when the shroud is open to the public.
It's big and, quite honestly, you don't even know what you're looking at unless
you've seen it already on some TV documentary.
It's long because it's unfolded.
The burn marks are the most evident and you have to strain to see the face and body.
They keep the crowd moving so it's not like you could stop and really look.
But, I DID find a good way to see it all I wanted to!
Better not to tell.....but if you go there you might be able to figure it out like I did.

 

[brian100]

This man was never blind!

 

[GodsGrace]

"Another voice" totally supports it and defends it.
Another voice instead of and different from and opposed to Jesus' Voice.

What other voice?
You hear voices?
What are you talking about?

 

[Joseph77]

It is worse that worthless ! (shroud) ....

and God's Word Says : Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes ...

 

[Joseph77]

What other voice?
You hear voices?
What are you talking about?

What does Jesus say about Whose Voice His Sheep Hear and LIsten to, and what voices we hear and run from and pay no attention to ?

 

[Tong2020]

I'm not going on and on about it.. I just saw the Sword that piercing Mary's heart. . on the Shroud just now in real time. That's been there for at least 600 years now. I'm the very first in the world to see it.

And you're the very first one who have this mistake then, and therefore the author of this new gospel that is not the gospel that apostles preached.

Tong
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[brian100]

I'm only giving sight to the blind here. But the other people keeping yelling's its the devil's work

Imagine that.. saying the devil is making the Shroud of Turin? Sound like crazy talk to me.

 

[Joseph77]

Whether following the blind deceivers, or leading the blind deceived, both fall into the pit.

 

[brian100]

I pointed out there is even a sword handle there for Mary's heart.. on the Shroud. I just saw it 2 hours ago. The Shroud is Scientific record of Jesus death.

 

[Tong2020]

What qualifies as a miracle to you? The Shroud in my book is the best miracle I have seen ever! Nothing tops this! Except Our Lady of Guadalupe! Its equal to this!

How about the miracle of creation? And where does the miracle of the Incarnation, death, and resurrection places on your list?

Tong
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[brian100]

I'm a Scientist in this topic.. my other hobby was Science. So unless you know about Science you aint got nothing on me. Science proves itself.

 

[Tong2020]

Take a closer look Mr Tong and Jospeh.. lil sword handle is in the detailing on the Shroud. Only a God has that power to put that there 600 years ago. You can look closer and see her roses across her heart!

If you don't believe after seeing this.. than you deserve to blind forever and ever!

As I said, if your mind and heart is open for repentance regarding this matter on the shroud of Turin and is willing to be corrected, I will tell you your blunder. I'm just waiting for your positive response.

Tong
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[brian100]

Mr Tong I presented the Science to you.. This Shroud, and pointed out God's religion with his Science. It's a miracle I made it here to show you this... Take it up with the real God of this world. I'm right.. I will receive blessings. If you're wrong about the Shroud then your life will change.

Both of us will wait to see who's right.

I leave your opinion to God to settle this.. & I let God handle it.

You are certainly within your rights to say the Shroud is of the devil.