Smith Wigglesworth and the Anointing

[Rockerduck]

Christian history records the Great revival of the 1800's. Of course revivals happen in each century and I won't discuss that here. The greatest revival ever in the 1800's lasted 50 to 60 years. The majority at one time in history were Christians in this country, where people would sing carols and hymns in the streets and churches met in open parks, Everyone talked about God. The statue of Liberty was giving to us because the French never saw so much out pouring of Grace in America. The greatest hymn's were written during this time.

Sam Wigglesworth was a product of the 1800"s revival of the spirit. The Methodist movement began and it was unlike anything people today have seen. Yes, there is a second blessing and it began here. The Higher Life movement records this and the Keswick meetings. All the great evangelists began out of the great rival, and continued into the next generation at the beginning of 1900 when Billy Graham was born. The second blessing turbo charges the Born Again Holy Spirit you received at salvation. From the1800's up to the 1970's Jesus movement Up through the 1980's there were evangelists that traveled to church's. They projected the preaching power that regular pastors could not. All those pew parkers got saved during the Jesus movement of the rival of the 70's, which was the last revival and Billy Graham the last evangelist.

Young people today have never experienced the power of the Holy Spirit in a revival. That's why you see the lack of belief, a speculation of tongues that were evident and normal for at least two centuries.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t understand people and revivals.


They say they never experience the power of the Holy Spirit…

How are they able to say such things?

Yet people who are hooping and hollering and dancing around acting as though this is the spirit is the furthered thing from the truth….



I don’t believe in the people who say they can obtain the Holy Ghost and heal people or whatever create miracles.

The moment you start taking your focus on all those things and stop focusing on faith and just living by the spirit

(Which no one ever wants to bring up what it causes cause they don’t care, or they hate reading what it actually does.)



I don’t want people to be fooled or people to be looked down at but people really need to think for themselves.


I don’t care if your 100 years old or older than me or not….


Being fooled is one thing, and saying you are able to do something and then you say oh God heals you and then it only gets worse or something.


There are countless of frauds out there.







People wanna act as though the spirit is some type of mystical force they can control…

When it’s not controllable. Jesus said that..

But when we are lead and abiding in Jesus the spirit is presented…







In what way? Shoot you gotta look it up these people aren’t gonna share it with you.

 

[rockytopva]

I don’t understand people and revivals.


They say they never experience the power of the Holy Spirit…

How are they able to say such things?

Yet people who are hooping and hollering and dancing around acting as though this is the spirit is the furthered thing from the truth….



I don’t believe in the people who say they can obtain the Holy Ghost and heal people or whatever create miracles.

The moment you start taking your focus on all those things and stop focusing on faith and just living by the spirit

(Which no one ever wants to bring up what it causes cause they don’t care, or they hate reading what it actually does.)



I don’t want people to be fooled or people to be looked down at but people really need to think for themselves.


I don’t care if your 100 years old or older than me or not….


Being fooled is one thing, and saying you are able to do something and then you say oh God heals you and then it only gets worse or something.


There are countless of frauds out there.







People wanna act as though the spirit is some type of mystical force they can control…

When it’s not controllable. Jesus said that..

But when we are lead and abiding in Jesus the spirit is presented…







In what way? Shoot you gotta look it up these people aren’t gonna share it with you.

I wish I could point you to a movement that enjoys the fullness of the Spirit. There is too much ego and worldliness out there. The United Methodist church (UMC) is currently running out congregations who will not accept their worldly view. I personally have no denominational recommendations these days. So it is... Take our word for it! In which you don't have to do.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

My husband found God amidst oneness pentecostals.

So I was married to him in one of their churches. He later came out of that camp but we both kept our belief in spiritual gifts. We just don't think they do them biblically.

 

[MatthewG]

I wish I could point you to a movement that enjoys the fullness of the Spirit. There is too much ego and worldliness out there. The United Methodist church (UMC) is currently running out congregations who will not accept their worldly view. I personally have no denominational recommendations these days. So it is... Take our word for it! In which you don't have to do.

I dont want a movement. I just want the truth. That's a personal journey and not a cooperation of movements. It deals with individual self.


Why can't you just share with me in the bible what the spirit does? Rather than going on like this?


I must just not have any other reason to communicate with you at this point. You are a mod on here but can't even point me to a scripture that shows what the Spirit of Christ does for people.

That to me is shameful but hey that is just my opinion.

God is always dealing with people individualistically.

Life by the Spirit​

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

How am I able to show what the spirit causes yet so many people just dont care... what it causes cause they think they need more or something it just makes no sense to a guy like me.

The Spirit of Christ helps us do what? Whats the fruit of abiding in Christ? What did Jesus say? Abide in him for without him you can do nothing.


Hope you the best but man think about human beings and what they need. If they need a reminder of what the spirit does give it to them.

Dont withhold information if you know it!

But one unfortunate thing I have noticed for people who choose to go about the way the people do concerning the holy spirit, concering revivals and people having salvations - they may never even got changed that day, they may just got baptized and just went on their way not knowing anything of the bible except what people tell them from the pulpit.




People love humans so much, they would never go against someone they like right? So... it's like.... People by this behavior is typically hated...

Religous manipulation happens all the time and people to suggest it does not or putting faith in movements, or putting faith in people doesn't do anything for your spiritual life with God...

Im not venting I am sharing what remains to be truth regardless of what other people may think. They can hate if they want too it doesn't matter to me.


If people have been failed by some system they need to leave it. Especially in the aspect of Religion or anyhting that seems cultish and they cut you off from your family, or they dont even help you figure out stuff in the bible the proper way by the Spirit of Christ, and not the flesh itself.





Thank you...

 

[Lizbeth]

For sixteen years Smith Wigglesworth preached that he had received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when in fact he had only received the anointing of the spirit. He explains that it was though he was on the outside of the Garden of Eden looking in. But after he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, it was as though he had regained access to the Garden of Eden, with the Holy Spirit serving as the fiery sword keeping evil out while he tasted of the good of the Lord. Smith Wigglesworth believed that there were three variations of tongues:

1. The initial tongues giving upon baptism.
2. The tongues spoken in prayer not meant to be interpreted.
3. The tongues given out with a purpose of being interpreted to your native language.

Smith Wigglesworth reminds his audience that since he left their presence, they do not know what he has done. He may have lost anointing or favor with God. He might be like people who have lived holy lives, preached sanctification, and their initial tongues were helpful; but they are now in a backslidden condition… A life not worthy of the language… Something got in the way. They have kept their language, but have lost their zeal and fire. Wherefore Smith Wigglesworth re-emphasizes…

1. Go two days without growing… You have lost your vision!
2. Go a week without growing… You are a backslider!

Smith Wigglesworth encourages people to grow daily into the kingdom. He said that he would rather hear Christians who knew not the power of God, but were growing; than hear people who received the fullness of the power of God, and were now self-satisfied. Smith Wigglesworth also reemphasizes that, like the apostles, he did very little for the kingdom of God before he got the Holy Ghost. Smith Wigglesworth also emphasizes that the Giver is to be received before the gifts. Salvation always precedes sanctification, and sanctification will always precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Sanctification prepares the body for the Holy Spirit, and when the body is rightly prepared for the Holy Spirit, and then it is the work of Jesus to baptize with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit then makes Jesus king in your life; you regard him as Lord and Master over all things, and you become submissive to him in all things. You are not afraid to say, “You are mine! I love you!”

The difference between those being led by the Holy Spirit and those who are deceived by Satan is joy, gladness, and a good countenance instead of sadness, sorrow, and depression. Jesus comes with joy into the soul and lifts you higher and higher, it is the spirit who gives light. When satanic power begins to rule; then there is weariness, then people’s faces are like a tragedy, and then their eyes glare as though they have passed through a terrible trial. You are always right to test the spirits (1 John 4:1), if not you will be sure to be caught napping.

This sounds similar to the beliefs of the "holiness" movement. Different people can have very different ways of describing the same experience, and it also seems evident that becoming holy doesn't mean one has all understanding or is infallible.

I have wondered about the baptism of the Holy Spirit and what it really is, and what it means. After Jesus rose from the dead He breathed on His disciples and said "receive ye the Holy Spirit"............yet they were still not baptized in the Holy Spirit until later. There were those who came to faith in Jesus and yet had not received the Holy Spirit......since they were asked "have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" From these examples in scripture I am gathering that we may receive the Holy Spirit after coming to faith in Christ, which activates spiritual gifts and helps us understand scripture on a more spiritual level..as well as deepening our relationship with the Lord.....and all this is a free gift from the Lord. But the actual baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes after that, I believe is much more life changing and comes at a cost to us.....we are giving ourselves fully to the Lord and the Lord is taking full possession of our vessel/life/heart as we give ourself to Him....being FILLED with His Spirit. Dead to our self and our will....on the altar as a living sacrifice.....no longer "I" who live but Christ who lives in me. Until then we are only sort of partially there in our experience, and having tastes of it, but not yet receiving and consuming the whole meal.

When we first come to faith in Jesus we are not yet consecrated to the Lord........not yet made holy and wholly set apart for His use. We first receive Christ as a free gift and then may receive a further measure of the Holy Spirit as a free gift from Him......but becoming fully consecrated to Him later is to be OUR gift to Him of our whole life/heart and will. Our will fully submitted to Him. This is the wedding and bridal analogy....the bride giving herself to the Bridegroom as a living sacrifice.......it is also the bondslave analogy, of the slave who has been set free after serving the mandatory 7 years, but returns, of his own free will, to covenant to serve the Master for the whole rest of his life, no longer under compulsion but freely and out of love. Until then I believe we can glean that we are only betrothed having not yet received the full baptism of the Holy Spirit but only the earnest of it (like a taste and down payment of the full measure). The betrothal phase is the preparation of the Bride....being sanctified and getting to the point of dying to ourselves (old man) in preparation to be joined to the Bridegroom in covenant of "marriage". His second coming is alluding on a personal level for each one, not only in a corporate, historical sense.

Gen 18:14
Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

Jhn 14:16-18

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


Jhn 14:26-29

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

We follow the same pattern as Mary.........the Holy Spirit overshadowed us and what has been conceived in us is of the Holy Spirit....Christ is being formed in us, but we have not yet given birth to the Son, as it were. Always used to wonder what the "one accord" meant at Pentecost.....I now believe those early disciples were of one accord in waiting on the Lord in consecrating themselves entirely to Him.

 

[Lizbeth]

Have you ever noticed that the charismatic tongues speaking all sounds the same, like a variation of Aramaic? Some of it is outright gibberish or nonsense syllables. This stuff cannot be biblical speaking in tongues. I myself spoke in tongues like that for decades, but I no longer do it.

The baptism or anointing of the Holy Spirit occurs when a person gets saved, born again. It is not a second blessing.

I believe the bible does point to a "second blessing", so to speak. We follow the same pattern as our example, the church in the wilderness. After crossing the Red Sea, they had a second barrier to get across, a second baptism to undergo as it were, to enter the Promised Land of Rest. They were "circumcised a second time". And Joshua told them to consecrate themselves before crossing over.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Lizbeth]

My husband found God amidst oneness pentecostals.

So I was married to him in one of their churches. He later came out of that camp but we both kept our belief in spiritual gifts. We just don't think they do them biblically.

Amen, we serve a spiritual God, after all. I came to faith in a cessationist Brethren church. I'm grateful to them for their part in my salvation, but as we grow in the Lord we get weaned from our "mother", from she who gave birth to us as it were. And sometimes there are more weanings to come as necessary.

Isa 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

 

[Anchorite]

I used to listen to a man named Lester Sumrall back in the 80s. He knew Smith very well and had a good report concerning him. However, I think he was fallible as all men are. We shouldn't take everything men say as "ex cathedra"
All due respect to Smith, but that's my take on it.

I was very impressed with Lester Sumrall a few years ago, from watching YouTube videos of his sermons.

Then I saw the “Passing the Sword” video. Lester passes a Nazi sword to Pastor Rod Parsley of World Harvest Church in a 1992 service, representing the transfer of ministry, mantle, and spiritual leadership to the next generation, echoing a similar passing of the mantle from Smith Wigglesworth to Sumrall in the 1930s.

Lester pointed out the Nazi swastika on the sword, which disturbed me greatly. Then Lester slays in the spirit Rod and Rod’s wife, who fall backward. It was a strange ritual that has no biblical basis. I have also heard some bizarre things about Rod Parsley lately.

 

[rockytopva]

I dont want a movement. I just want the truth. That's a personal journey and not a cooperation of movements. It deals with individual self.


Why can't you just share with me in the bible what the spirit does? Rather than going on like this?


I must just not have any other reason to communicate with you at this point. You are a mod on here but can't even point me to a scripture that shows what the Spirit of Christ does for people.

That to me is shameful but hey that is just my opinion.

God is always dealing with people individualistically.


How am I able to show what the spirit causes yet so many people just dont care... what it causes cause they think they need more or something it just makes no sense to a guy like me.

The Spirit of Christ helps us do what? Whats the fruit of abiding in Christ? What did Jesus say? Abide in him for without him you can do nothing.


Hope you the best but man think about human beings and what they need. If they need a reminder of what the spirit does give it to them.

Dont withhold information if you know it!

But one unfortunate thing I have noticed for people who choose to go about the way the people do concerning the holy spirit, concering revivals and people having salvations - they may never even got changed that day, they may just got baptized and just went on their way not knowing anything of the bible except what people tell them from the pulpit.




People love humans so much, they would never go against someone they like right? So... it's like.... People by this behavior is typically hated...

Religous manipulation happens all the time and people to suggest it does not or putting faith in movements, or putting faith in people doesn't do anything for your spiritual life with God...

Im not venting I am sharing what remains to be truth regardless of what other people may think. They can hate if they want too it doesn't matter to me.


If people have been failed by some system they need to leave it. Especially in the aspect of Religion or anyhting that seems cultish and they cut you off from your family, or they dont even help you figure out stuff in the bible the proper way by the Spirit of Christ, and not the flesh itself.





Thank you...

I don't have a movement to share with you anyway. I can remember as a young man feeling the anointing of the Holy Spirit just by walking through the doors. Now I drive by the same church to see just a few cars there on Sunday morning. It would be nice to say something like... Just look up your first church of Rockytopva and you will be blessed! Now I would have to visit the church myself and get a feel for the worship and time in the word before making a recommendation.

 

[MatthewG]

Rocky I don’t go to church. I personally don’t have to. Thank you.


There are many good people out there who have faith and are doing what they are able to by Christ in them to love others.


I don’t care about much else; I just hate how earlier you were unable to help me but that is okay.


I do hate all forms of religious manipulation.
I do not care for churches, people lie, and can be deceiving.

I don’t trust people when behind a pulpit they can’t help you, and or they say this is the way it is and there is not changing it, or if you don’t believe the way I do and worship the way I do then that person is not fit for God.

I have been taught the scriptures sure; but I know for a fact most of the time people don’t even get enough actual study in them to even retain information…

You couldn’t or Did not want help me find a scripture to help me see what the fruit of the spirit causes.

That kind of stuff makes me as a person who knows about it… mad. (No hard feelings of course you gonna do whatever you want.)

And we supposedly suppose to help people…

I feel strange continuing to talk to you. I rather you leave me alone now. If you wanna post anything else just don’t reply to me please and thank you so much!

(If you can’t bare this request and feel as though you must say something - I’ll try my best to listen to whatever it is and just move on with life…)

Cause there people out there that don’t care. That’s for sure the only care about how the representative themselves. At least that’s how natural it for us as human beings…

and to not look bad means not say certain things otherwise ya look bad and I look bad all the time and I do care about how I come off but I still gotta drive a point cause I’m the only one that can really stand up for himself.

So many people worship men it’s not even funny.

 

[ProDeo]

All those pew parkers got saved during the Jesus movement of the rival of the 70's, which was the last revival and Billy Graham the last evangelist.

I consider myself as a part of the revival of the 70's among young people. I noticed the traces on this forum, many members come from that period age wise, hardly any young people here. Just tell me if I am mistaken.

Regarding Smith W. - I have read a biograph of him, aside from the miracles 2 anecdotes from the book, myth or fact I don't know -

1. One night Smith was sleeping in his bed, he woke up because there was some noise, he saw the devil sitting at the end of his bed. And Smith said - Oh, it's only you and slept further.

2. While Smith healed so many by the power of God, when he got sick himself he refused to see a doctor and as a result he died.

 

[Lizbeth]

I dont want a movement. I just want the truth. That's a personal journey and not a cooperation of movements. It deals with individual self.


Why can't you just share with me in the bible what the spirit does? Rather than going on like this?

From scripture I believe we can glean that the Lord deals with His people both in a corporate way as well as personally. The bible speaks of "times of refreshing" coming from the Lord......revivals, movements. His Spirit moves at certain times to restore, refresh, rebuild, strengthen, purify His people in a corporate sense as well as to save souls. But not everything that man calls a revival necessarily is. If the Holy Spirit isn't doing it, it isn't a revival, it is only something that man is doing and calling it a revival or revival meeting. And even with genuine revivals, because the Lord pours out His Spirit upon imperfect human beings, from observation it seems the flesh eventually tends to get hold of what God is doing and taints it, or tries to control it and moves it off course etc as time goes on. But I think once the Lord has accomplished His purpose the revival will taper off anyhow.....to everything there is a time and season.

I'm not sure what you are asking about specifically and didn't see your original post asking the question...but in case it helps, or if you are asking for the sake of discussion, the Holy Spirit is called Comforter and Teacher and Helper as you probably know...He is God's Spirit to lead and direct us, comfort, strengthen, teach, encourage or correct, build us up, grow us up, empower us, help us understand truth, etc. I consider that He is everything to our faith and walk.....it is Christ's Spirit, in us and upon us.....without Him we can do nothing, and neither is anything done to us and within us apart from Him....we are to abide in Him, and He in us and with us. Is that pretty much how you see it too (this is just in my own words), or do you have a different understanding?

 

[MatthewG]

From scripture I believe we can glean that the Lord deals with His people both in a corporate way as well as personally. The bible speaks of "times of refreshing" coming from the Lord......revivals, movements. His Spirit moves at certain times to restore, refresh, rebuild, strengthen, purify His people in a corporate sense as well as to save souls. But not everything that man calls a revival necessarily is. If the Holy Spirit isn't doing it, it isn't a revival, it is only something that man is doing and calling it a revival or revival meeting. And even with genuine revivals, because the Lord pours out His Spirit upon imperfect human beings, from observation it seems the flesh eventually tends to get hold of what God is doing and taints it, or tries to control it and moves it off course etc as time goes on. But I think once the Lord has accomplished His purpose the revival will taper off anyhow.....to everything there is a time and season.

I'm not sure what you are asking about specifically and didn't see your original post asking the question...but in case it helps, or if you are asking for the sake of discussion, the Holy Spirit is called Comforter and Teacher and Helper as you probably know...He is God's Spirit to lead and direct us, comfort, strengthen, teach, encourage or correct, build us up, grow us up, empower us, help us understand truth, etc. I consider that He is everything to our faith and walk.....it is Christ's Spirit, in us and upon us.....without Him we can do nothing, and neither is anything done to us and within us apart from Him....we are to abide in Him, and He in us and with us. Is that pretty much how you see it too (this is just in my own words), or do you have a different understanding?

I was never talking to you so I don’t know what you want. Sorry ma’am. Thanks for sharing but I didn’t even read it honestly.

I don’t think Im confusing by any means.

I have no means to converse with you. You know what you believe and everything.

I don’t have to accept everything you may believe but that doesn’t make you not a person that doesn’t believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[shepherdsword]

I was never talking to you so I don’t know what you want. Sorry ma’am. Thanks for sharing but I didn’t even read it honestly.

I don’t think Im confusing by any means.

I have no means to converse with you. You know what you believe and everything.

I don’t have to accept everything you may believe but that doesn’t make you not a person that doesn’t believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

You keep telling people on a public forum that you don't want to talk to them. What are you posting here for? Do you realize when you post publicly it is an invitation for all to respond? If you want a private discussion you can PM the people you want to talk to.

 

[MatthewG]

You keep telling people on a public forum that you don't want to talk to them. What are you posting here for? Do you realize when you post publicly it is an invitation for all to respond? If you want a private discussion you can PM the people you want to talk to.

I don't like pming people. There is no reason for me to have to do that. There is nothing wrong with telling someone you do not want to talk to them... I am sorry but there is not.

If anything it probably helps more with me to be honest than to play pretend as though i do want to talk to someone who I may or not want to respond to...

If people do not want to see my post all they have to do is hit that ignore.
Im not being malicious towards the other person either.
I am just being upfront and honest and straightforward and not everyone enjoys that.

 

[MatthewG]

From scripture I believe we can glean that the Lord deals with His people both in a corporate way as well as personally. The bible speaks of "times of refreshing" coming from the Lord......revivals, movements. His Spirit moves at certain times to restore, refresh, rebuild, strengthen, purify His people in a corporate sense as well as to save souls. But not everything that man calls a revival necessarily is. If the Holy Spirit isn't doing it, it isn't a revival, it is only something that man is doing and calling it a revival or revival meeting. And even with genuine revivals, because the Lord pours out His Spirit upon imperfect human beings, from observation it seems the flesh eventually tends to get hold of what God is doing and taints it, or tries to control it and moves it off course etc as time goes on. But I think once the Lord has accomplished His purpose the revival will taper off anyhow.....to everything there is a time and season.

I'm not sure what you are asking about specifically and didn't see your original post asking the question...but in case it helps, or if you are asking for the sake of discussion, the Holy Spirit is called Comforter and Teacher and Helper as you probably know...He is God's Spirit to lead and direct us, comfort, strengthen, teach, encourage or correct, build us up, grow us up, empower us, help us understand truth, etc. I consider that He is everything to our faith and walk.....it is Christ's Spirit, in us and upon us.....without Him we can do nothing, and neither is anything done to us and within us apart from Him....we are to abide in Him, and He in us and with us. Is that pretty much how you see it too (this is just in my own words), or do you have a different understanding?

Okay I read it now. I guess you would like to be told great job or something I don't know.

You dont have to tell me these things. You said that in your post.

Why not just go talk to otheres who dont know if you already know I know what I do.

If its encouragement cool but like,.. idk I just have issues with people and sometimes I dont care what they have to say... Sorry I know that is flaw of my flesh but...

Aint no one perfect in this world.

I most definitely hate anything to do with sinless perfection,,, cause its not true we all fall short at some point or another anyone say they are perfect fleshly holy are liars, to me in my opinon.

I dont believe in those tent revivals or boardwalk salvationist type of things... where they just get people to profess Jesus and they never learn anything else again about the bible is useless and waste of resources in my opinion.

A cONGERGATION THAT RARELY GETS THE WORD AND ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IT IS SAYING FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND IS RARE THING FOR SURE.... aRE NOT GONNA HAVE A TOTAL GRIP -- BUT THAT STILL COMES AT A COST AT THEIR OWN SELF LEARNING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BIBLE.

God can be met in any wonderace of life doesnt always have to be a church or a tent revival. God lives in all people - and if they abide in Christ or not is up to them.

Doesnt mean that all those people are bad, but ... there are some bad in every bunch of people no matter where you go....


I dont like lies when it comes down to things when it deals with faith, and people who lie about healing other people and stuff, and they say they never sin and stuff.


Those are problems i have issues with.

 

[Rockerduck]

I consider myself as a part of the revival of the 70's among young people. I noticed the traces on this forum, many members come from that period age wise, hardly any young people here. Just tell me if I am mistaken.

Regarding Smith W. - I have read a biograph of him, aside from the miracles 2 anecdotes from the book, myth or fact I don't know -

1. One night Smith was sleeping in his bed, he woke up because there was some noise, he saw the devil sitting at the end of his bed. And Smith said - Oh, it's only you and slept further.

2. While Smith healed so many by the power of God, when he got sick himself he refused to see a doctor and as a result he died.

Sometimes, and I've seen it, Gifted evangelists get carried away and prideful, then basically become an actor and make up stories. That's the same as back sliding. They start off good,, but pride is the downfall. I read about a prophet who got sick whenever someone God told him to talk to came close. He did not hear from God for awhile, because of pride, he went to a school for prophets. He doubted what God could do and lost his gift. If God gives you a gift be humble and grateful, not prideful. As the Apostle Paul said 1 Cor. 1:29 -"that no flesh should glory in His presence."

 

[MatthewG]

Sometimes, and I've seen it, Gifted evangelists get carried away and prideful, then basically become an actor and make up stories. That's the same as back sliding. They start off good,, but pride is the downfall. I read about a prophet who got sick whenever someone God told him to talk to came close. He did not hear from God for awhile, because of pride, he went to a school for prophets. He doubted what God could do and lost his gift. If God gives you a gift be humble and grateful, not prideful. As the Apostle Paul said 1 Cor. 1:29 -"that no flesh should glory in His presence."

Yes these are the things I hate. Ive seen it done before a preacher saying stuff just about material and health and its all gonna be yours as long as you believe and basically gonna get people killed if you ask me. It was like similar to that Peter Popoff guy... Religious people who just prey on the weak and helpless in order to gain more materially whether its possessions or just more people for them turn over and mess with and destroy their mind, even that of their own souls.

Its sad but it does happen and its unfortunate but some of those people in those places have good hearts and just want the best and you know God sees all these things man. So ... I just think its good to be authentic and straightforward with what ones believes rather than play around in my opinion.

And if people need to see a doctor they should but there are people out there who believe in God and they just wont go cause they just believe God gonna heal them and then they end up dying sooner than they might have stayed alive ya know?

Thats the gist of it though we all die. And we have to be responsible for ourselves and continue to have faith and trust God. Hope for people to seek the truth that sets them free, like Jesus states concerning it.

 

[Lizbeth]

Okay I read it now. I guess you would like to be told great job or something I don't know.

You dont have to tell me these things. You said that in your post.

Why not just go talk to otheres who dont know if you already know I know what I do.

If its encouragement cool but like,.. idk I just have issues with people and sometimes I dont care what they have to say... Sorry I know that is flaw of my flesh but...

Aint no one perfect in this world.







God can be met in any wonderace of life doesnt always have to be a church or a tent revival. God lives in all people - and if they abide in Christ or not is up to them.

Just in a way of trying to reach out brother. You seemed as though you were feeling ignored or un-helped or something like that. And I wanted to say a little something about revivals because you were seeming to think there is no value in them (genuine revivals). But of course you don't have to talk with me if you don't want to, and you've said that you don't want to

If you will just allow me to say, I feel that something in you needs healing (that's not an accusation just an observation/opinion), or maybe you already know that. Life is complicated, people are complicated, and we all need the Lord's help and to have grace for one another. The best thing we can do is to seek and keep seeking the Lord for whatever we have need of. Have a nice day. .