So are you Hyper Grace or Legalism or Neither?

[dev553344]

I started getting back into the debate areas recently and noticed two extremes.

1. Hyper Grace.
2. Legalism

I fall in a category in the center, I'm neither Hyper Grace, nor Legalistic. So I wanted to start a poll to see what others here believe.

Feel free to explain how your either are or are not a legalist, hyper grace, or neither.

 

[amadeus]

I started getting back into the debate areas recently and noticed two extremes.

1. Hyper Grace.
2. Legalism

I fall in a category in the center, I'm neither Hyper Grace, nor Legalistic. So I wanted to start a poll to see what others here believe.

Feel free to explain how your either are or are not a legalist, hyper grace, or neither.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

So then, who is on the Lord's side?

 

[dev553344]

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

So then, who is on the Lord's side?

People that died and were brought into heaven?

 

[amadeus]

People that died and were brought into heaven?

The ones being always led by the Holy Spirit!

 

[GEN2REV]

I started getting back into the debate areas recently and noticed two extremes.

1. Hyper Grace.
2. Legalism

I fall in a category in the center, I'm neither Hyper Grace, nor Legalistic. So I wanted to start a poll to see what others here believe.

Feel free to explain how your either are or are not a legalist, hyper grace, or neither.

I'm neither.

I don't see how obeying the Commandments makes somebody a legalist, but on this forum, that is what you are automatically labeled if you believe Christians should obey them.

Legalism says: you must obey the Commandments in order to be saved.

I say: those who are saved, obey the Commandments.

There is a difference AND ... the above is exactly what the Bible teaches.

 

[dev553344]

The ones being always led by the Holy Spirit!

Perhaps some people get led by false spirits. Sometimes the holy spirit.

 

[Bob Estey]

I started getting back into the debate areas recently and noticed two extremes.

1. Hyper Grace.
2. Legalism

I fall in a category in the center, I'm neither Hyper Grace, nor Legalistic. So I wanted to start a poll to see what others here believe.

Feel free to explain how your either are or are not a legalist, hyper grace, or neither.

When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, my life was transformed, and when I witness to this, some people insinuate I am legalistic.

 

[dev553344]

I'm neither.

I don't see how obeying the Commandments makes somebody a legalist, but on this forum, that is what you are automatically labeled if you believe Christians should obey them.

Legalism says: you must obey the Commandments in order to be saved.

I say: those who are saved, obey the Commandments.

There is a difference AND ... the above is exactly what the Bible teaches.

Well I was referring to obeying the law of love your neighbor as spelled out in Matthew 25:35-40. We should obey that command. And all fall short of perfection which makes us sinners.

 

[amadeus]

Perhaps some people get led by false spirits. Sometimes the holy spirit.

People who have received the Holy Spirit are only led by false spirits because they have quenched instead of following the Holy Spirit of God. How does one avoid that?

"Pray without ceasing." I Thess 5:17

"Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice" Phil 4:4

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

 

[dev553344]

When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, my life was transformed, and when I witness to this, some people insinuate I am legalistic.

I'm not perfect. And I rely on the Lord for salvation because of it. If God forgave me and I tried to walk perfectly I would fail.

 

[Bob Estey]

I'm not perfect. And I rely on the Lord for salvation because of it. If God forgave me and I tried to walk perfectly I would fail.

Why would you fail?

 

[dev553344]

I'm neither.

I don't see how obeying the Commandments makes somebody a legalist, but on this forum, that is what you are automatically labeled if you believe Christians should obey them.

Legalism says: you must obey the Commandments in order to be saved.

I say: those who are saved, obey the Commandments.

There is a difference AND ... the above is exactly what the Bible teaches.

But no that's not legalism. Legalism would be if God forgave me and I lived by obey the commandments and felt I didn't sin. When in fact I wasn't perfect and sinned out of imperfection of Christs teaching. Then my lie would be that I never sinned and it would be legalism.

 

[dev553344]

Why would you fail?

Matthew 19:21-26

King James Version


21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[Bob Estey]

Matthew 19:21-26

King James Version


21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Just do what the Lord told you to do. It's not always easy, but when you fail, pick yourself up and try again.

 

[dev553344]

Just do what the Lord told you to do. It's not always easy, but when you fail, pick yourself up and try again.

Yes then I rely on the mercy of God. But still desire to follow Jesus' teachings, all of them.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes then I rely on the mercy of God. But still desire to follow Jesus' teachings, all of them.

I can't argue with that.

 

[GEN2REV]

Well I was referring to obeying the law of love your neighbor as spelled out in Matthew 25:35-40. We should obey that command. And all fall short of perfection which makes us sinners.

But you listed Legalist as one of the options.

Do you believe obeying the Law of Loving your neighbor makes somebody a Legalist?

 

[GEN2REV]

But no that's not legalism. Legalism would be if God forgave me and I lived by obey the commandments and felt I didn't sin. When in fact I wasn't perfect and sinned out of imperfection of Christs teaching. Then my lie would be that I never sinned and it would be legalism.

Contrary to a lot of the naysayers, and long drawn out debates, here, perfection is actually a condition of the heart. It is not obeying all of the Commandments 100% perfectly all day, every day.

See here:
"Let your heart therefore be perfect with the Lord our God, to walk in His statutes, and to keep His Commandments, ..."
1 Kings 8:61

If our heart is perfectly set upon the Lord and His Ways, His Spirit assists us in our sincere efforts, and James 3:2 has our back when we stumble.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I started getting back into the debate areas recently and noticed two extremes.

1. Hyper Grace.
2. Legalism

I fall in a category in the center, I'm neither Hyper Grace, nor Legalistic. So I wanted to start a poll to see what others here believe.

Feel free to explain how your either are or are not a legalist, hyper grace, or neither.

i had to go with neither for my choice. Salvation is by God’s choice alone, the doctrine of election. I do believe that if you are saved, then you’ll Change how you live and think, not in order to keep your salvation, but because of gratitude of your salvation.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

This is a loaded question. Everybody has their own opinions of what constitutes legalism, and most "Christians" would define legalism as keeping God's commandments to any degree because they want God to give them everything while doing absolutely nothing.