Socalism & Christianity, a perfect match or a complete clash of ideologies?

[Wrangler]

The point the OP @Jaxy (a new believer) makes is that in their observation of the life and teachings of Jesus- the things he says are in closer alignment to what some might call 'socialist ideals' as opposed to a money-oriented approach to everything.

Woah! False dichotomoy there bro. It is not socialism v 'a money-oriented approach to everything.'

To claim Jesus preached socialism is to deny the differentiating characteristic of both. Socialism is collectivism and coercive. Jesus made individuals appeals and never proposed using the coercive power of the State.

Jesus: To one who strikes you

Jesus: No one can serve two masters. Either you

Jesus: I tell you the truth

 

[Space_Karen]

What can socialism offer the world?

Can't think of anything.

 

[Mr E]

Woah! False dichotomoy there bro. It is not socialism v 'a money-oriented approach to everything.'

To claim Jesus preached socialism is to deny the differentiating characteristic of both. Socialism is collectivism and coercive. Jesus made individuals appeals and never proposed using the coercive power of the State.

Jesus: To one who strikes you

Jesus: No one can serve two masters. Either you

Jesus: I tell you the truth

LoL -Sorry there my little buckaroo. That’s nothing more than deflection. Did I get the quotes wrong? Those are his actual teachings.

Unlike what you applauded @Enoch111 for, which was a great example of the problem with socialism, but not at all an example of what Jesus taught.

 

[Wrangler]

That’s nothing more than deflection. Did I get the quotes wrong? Those are his actual teachings.

You got the application of the quotes wrong. Jesus never said the collective is to take care of the poor, etc. He appealed to an individual conscience. That's the difference.

 

[Mr E]

You got the application of the quotes wrong. Jesus never said the collective is to take care of the poor, etc. He appealed to an individual conscience. That's the difference.

A collective is a community of individual members who have had their conscience appealed to. It’s not the Borg.

Secondly, I’m not advocating for socialism. In fact I’ve never met a single living example of someone who was able to live up to such ideals.

But I am advocating for understanding the perspective of a new believer just dipping their toes into the gospels.

I was saying— “Yeah… I can see that. I understand why you would think that”

 

[Wrangler]

A collective is a community of individual members who have had their conscience appealed to. It’s not the Borg.

But socialism is the Borg. Jesus is not condoning or commanding collectivism.

 

[Wrangler]

But I am advocating for understanding the perspective of a new believer just dipping their toes into the gospels.

I was saying— “Yeah… I can see that. I understand why you would think that”

I appreciate your empathizing with a newbie.

He's asking a question that deserves to be answered.

Secondly, I’m not advocating for socialism. In fact I’ve never met a single living example of someone who was able to live up to such ideals.

Satan's ideals are not something to live up to.

What's wrong with the people of this world is that they don't have Jesus. What's wrong with the people of this world is NOT "failure to live up to" godless philosophies of this world, inspired by Satan to displace God with an IDOL, the State as the socialist 'god.' Did you even read Post #19?

 

[Adam]

For all practical purposes they are one and the same. The state becomes "the god" to be worshiped

Seems like that is what the neoliberals are doing already:

The Apotheosis of Washington - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Apotheosis (Encyclopedia Britannica): apotheosis, elevation to the status of a god. The term (from Greek apotheoun, “to make a god,” “to deify”)

and the state must take full control of everything. In effect the Communist "elite" are the state, and just love the fact that they are ripping off 99.9% of the population.

For those who have been sleeping lately every Western democracy has turned Communist and totalitarian. And now all of South America is Communist. China, N. Korea, Cuba, and several African countries have turned Communists. And Joe Biden and his "DemoNcrats" are all Communist/Fascist/Anarchist idiots.

I hate being drawn into this conversation because it is worldly, but there are, for example, branches of socialism which believe in the abolishment of a central legislative government altogether, and in legislation by trade unions at a local level with direct worker representation. This is completely in contrast to USSR-style Marxist-Leninism, which is what you are probably thinking of. This is just one example of an opposite extreme. Also there is an entire movement called Christian Socialism which is explicitly based on Christian ideals.

WHEN FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT, YOU HAVE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.

You're not living in a communist country, you're living in liberal capitalist state with all its ups and downs. The democrats and republicans are both neoliberal capitalists in every meaningful way. The downs you're experiencing (biannual economic collapses, unemployment, birth rate collapse, stagnant wages, housing bubbles, corruption in government, etc.) are precisely the ills that socialist thinkers sought to address, and they are entirely engineered by a parasitic class of bankers who do not work for a living but professionally siphon wealth from people that do. One of the most rudimentary means to address this is by allowing workers to have a stake in the management of companies (IE joint management between workers and owners); and in allowing workers to have a stake in government (IE by refining the government system to be comprised of representation by trade rather than by some generic party, where individual rights get muddled by competing interests). I don't know who right now represents me in my company, or in my country. It seems like nobody, or at least nobody with any influence, so the basic idea is to remedy this by giving people power to control their own affairs to some degree rather than just being yanked around by powers from above.

I don't know how anyone can live in our current society and believe that free and fair elections are a thing, or that they ever were, when every major party is funded by the same people. The system as it stands is set up so that politicians have to peddle influence to wealthy donors to fund their campaigns, and those who don't are blacklisted. Democrats and Republicans are identical in this regard and will never fight eachother on any of the core issues but walk hand in hand on them, while dividing people against eachother with flashy hot button issues like racial relations. The plutocratic oligarchs form a shadow government which is completely unelected and completely unaccountable to the public, and drive all policy and public debate. Any good system of government ought to prevent the rise of such an oligarchy.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What can socialism offer the world?

Can't think of anything.

Hitler did well with his Socialism ? Lucky he got a great hand from the Jew Bankers etc to push forward in the plans ?
The whole system was created by so called Jewish Banking Mobs and the so called Zionist and their Talmud inspiration.
Just read study the Talmud and one can see it inspired all of the Nazi hog wash, because both are founded on the same insanity.

Germany was being controlled by the same before Hitler came to rise. and they with in the Government powers clearly set him up so as to take command.

So look at what the National Socialist German workers Party did, it was astounding ! Turned the Nation around quick smart from being driven into the ground like no Nation ever was driven and to turn around and become a power house, that was set to easy wipe the UK out economically, The UK would of become set to be a back water ! People from every Country bordering Germany were flocking to Germany for work !
Hitler was not seen as the bad man at all back before the war kicked off.

So it is proven that Socialism can or could work to turn a Nation around from such a doom. This is what I think of with the USA ? How is it going to turn the Nation around from the disaster that Governments have led it into.
The Nation is broke Bankrupt ? truly one could say, not only that but morally as well a total disgrace, Australia UK etc etc is as well.
Such is like a Farm that was inherited and a filthy fat slob degenerate took control of the Farm only to run it into the ground.
Such had every potential to be not a moron debt Slave or deranged morally filth.

Sexual deviated how do we get such as that ? Who promotes such ?
Who promotes all of the problems that lead people astray ? Well it's out in the open nowadays as to who does truly peddle such or let such fester !
Who or what organisation authority was it that hid the child molester Priest from the public for all them years ? Think about it !

So as a foundation things start with Moral duty ? such may be seen as one who looks after the cents wisely and then the Dollars will look after themselves ?
Once moral duty has gone then the Dollars just disappear as well.
Same with Hitler's bastardisation of the school kids brainwashing was constructed for a event ! as is our kids been brainwashed for an event, that has been staged as well !

Wars do not just happen, they are all staged years beforehand. Their are wheels within wheels all going on. When I ran my own business I knew what all the wheels were about and had to try and position myself not to be run aground by such as them. So I do understand the nature of such workings how they play the cards.

 

[Taken]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

Socialism FORCES one who has, who works, to Pay for Others, by, through, of, UnConstitutional Compulsion.

And once the $$ is confiscated and in “the keepers coffers”.... They take “their CUT” (for their personal pleasures).... And then DICTATE WHO is “qualified” to receive the leftover SCRAPS.

“IF” you can find ONE LINE of Scripture that TEACHES to force, steal, take from one man against his will....DO SHARE.

“IF” you can find ONE LINE of Scripture that TEACHES to take CREDIT for doling out ANYTHING to ANYONE, that did not Belong to the one doling out....
DO SHARE.

Communism, Marxism have been redefined to mean, Socialism, Marxism....

Jesus called THAT ^ turning a TRUTH into a LIE.

 

[Taken]

Socialism is simply one mighty scam. Just like Communism. So as a Christian you should totally reject this nonsense which seeks to enslave the proletariat at the expense of the "socialist" elites. Check out the history of the USSR. The Democrats are not Socialists but Communist/Fascists wanting to entrench totalitarianism

Agree.

and destroy democracy.

Disagree. The US is a Republic....THAT IS what they want to DESTROY.
The US is NOT a Democracy.
The Democracy angle in the US Republic IS ONLY in respect of People voting.

The Voting was Constitutionally Established FOR ALL VESTED adult citizens.
VESTED was established, By literal Ownership of Land. You own a piece of Land, you have a vested interest in the the NATIONS’ Land....protected, cared for, etc.

In Short:
A True Democracy IS the ELETE FEW control EVERYTHING.
The MAJORITY makes ALL DECISIONS, to hell with everyone else.

A Republic IS What applies to ONE, applies to ALL citizens.

Democrats and Rinos seated in Offices are Servants ... of the Citizens and the States .... and instead SERVE themselves .... and WHY they are deservedly called Corrupt.

 

[amigo de christo]

Socialism is simply one mighty scam. Just like Communism. So as a Christian you should totally reject this nonsense which seeks to enslave the proletariat at the expense of the "socialist" elites. Check out the history of the USSR. The Democrats are not Socialists but Communist/Fascists wanting to entrench totalitarianism and destroy democracy.

Thats how they sell this lie . They are just like judas iscariot . The one JESUS called the SON of perditon .
JUDAS too said , THIS could have been SOLD for much money and been redistrubuted to the poor .
JUST LIKE THEY DO .
YET judas said it NOT CAUSE HE cared for the poor , but cause HE HELD THE MONEY BAG , JUST LIKE THEY DO AND WILL .
AND KEEP what is put in it . THIS is all a hoax for power and control and to only make them RICHIER .
THEY dont give one rip about the poor . ITS ALL about THEM and this new world empire in which they WILL SIT AS KINGS they care about .
THIS is all a hoax , yet many folks seem to buy into it . NOT ME . ITS ALL A LIE . i can take care of the poor all on my own .
I DONT need the wicked to give my money , TO THEMSELVES in the name of the poor . THEY all false and i wont sit under a one of them .
Nor the sold out churches who do their bidding either .

 

[amigo de christo]

Socialism FORCES one who has, who works, to Pay for Others, by, through, of, UnConstitutional Compulsion.

And once the $$ is confiscated and in “the keepers coffers”.... They take “their CUT” (for their personal pleasures).... And then DICTATE WHO is “qualified” to receive the leftover SCRAPS.

“IF” you can find ONE LINE of Scripture that TEACHES to force, steal, take from one man against his will....DO SHARE.

“IF” you can find ONE LINE of Scripture that TEACHES to take CREDIT for doling out ANYTHING to ANYONE, that did not Belong to the one doling out....
DO SHARE.

Communism, Marxism have been redefined to mean, Socialism, Marxism....

Jesus called THAT ^ turning a TRUTH into a LIE.

Dont vote for biden or the BBB . do not support nor hope in the new digital system . Do not hope nor support the social gospel .
ITS ALL a sham and a lie to mold us to be as one to do the bidding of sie order . JUST STICK TO JESUS and stay well dug
in the bible .

 

[Triumph1300]

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

In the real world socialism does not work.
It creates a society expecting the government to take care of everything.
And the end result is control by government - lazy people without freewill.
It takes away free enterprise as well.

I am all for helping the poor, etc.
But I don't think the government should tell me how to do that,
or take my earnings and make a mess of the system.

Socialist governments are out of control, look around you.
Canada and the US are ran by socialists. Watch your nightly news and see the results.

 

[Taken]

Dont vote for biden or the BBB . do not support nor hope in the new digital system . Do not hope nor support the social gospel .
ITS ALL a sham and a lie to mold us to be as one to do the bidding of sie order . JUST STICK TO JESUS and stay well dug
in the bible .

I am NOT a socialist, commie, Marxist, liberal....
You knew that right?

 

[Triumph1300]

Quick note that socialism and communism are not synonymous. There are many schools of socialism which are not Marxist in nature .

Sure, that's what they say, but in practice both end up the same: An ungodly evil government system.

 

[Triumph1300]

What can socialism offer the world?

Chaos.
That's all it offers.

 

[Wrangler]

 

[Wrangler]

 

[Adam]

Sure, that's what they say, but in practice both end up the same: An ungodly evil government system.

Even the ones that advocate the abolition of central legislature?