Spirit filled believer?

[Berean]

But if you want to debate every single word and sentence, I am not interested. I respect your views and your reasons why, I do not debate any of your views or your reasons why you believe them, I expect everyone takes the information and makes the best choices and believes them to be true until they find out there is more reliable information.

How can you respect my views if you don't know what they are? Especially if, as you say "[you] do not debate any of [my] views or [my] reasons why believe them"?

I expect everyone takes the information and makes the best choices and believes them to be true until they find out there is more reliable information.

Tell me, wouldn't that apply to you also? How do you know that you have it all correct and have the Truth, if you're not willing to put what you believe to the test? Any conversation we have must be two-sided. You speak, I listen, I speak, you listen. Believing I have nothing to offer you and shutting your ears to what I have to say is not having a discussion.

 

[Berean]

Sure we do, doesn't most everyone that belongs to any faith?

I mention that because your sister Aunty Jane stated that "we have no human leader."

 

[walter]

How can you respect my views if you don't know what they are? Especially if, as you say "[you] do not debate any of [my] views or [my] reasons why believe them"?

Tell me, wouldn't that apply to you also? How do you know that you have it all correct and have the Truth, if you're not willing to put what you believe to the test? Any conversation we have must be two-sided. You speak, I listen, I speak, you listen. Believing I have nothing to offer you and shutting your ears to what I have to say is not having a discussion.

Do you believe in Jesus, his Father and that the Bible has valuable words in it?

Do you believe that sometime in the future all the people will be more united in their beliefs than they are today?

 

[walter]

I mention that because your sister Aunty Jane stated that "we have no human leader."

the leaders above any human leader would be God and his son Christ Jesus.

 

[Berean]

Do you believe in Jesus, his Father and that the Bible has valuable words in it?

Of course

Do you believe that sometime in the future all the people will be more united in their beliefs than they are today?

Yes, in the Kingdom

 

[Berean]

the leaders above any human leader would be God and his son Christ Jesus.

True, Christ is the head of the Church, however, she said "we have no human leaders." if that's the case, that would include the elders in the church and especially the Governing Body.

 

[Taken]

I mention that because your sister Aunty Jane stated that "we have no human leader."

Perspective…

The Lord God Almighty is ABOVE ALL.

Nothing is new to God.
Humans are discovering, bit by bit.

God is the “invisible” MASTER.
Too Holy for human eyes to Gaze upon.

The Lord came as Gods SERVANT to Men.

ManKIND (CAN) SERVE other men…( in an AMERICAN REPUBLIC GOVERNANCE Position ( called a Representative) Established, in the Republic form of Governance, The Representative IS The Servant, WITH A VERY FEW, Limited, obligated Duties, Set Objectives.

Kings, monarchies, Democracies, etc. ie. mankind, Governance… the Governor is the Servant MASTER Over the People ie. SUBJECTS.

In the US Republic…
* Some Americans…exalt God IS their MASTER, and the Governing Reps their “limited” Servants.
^ THEY exercise their God Given Rights to Provide For their OWN, and THANK God For His Provisions.
** IN AMERICA, at the Polls, THEY Elect Limited human Servants.

* Some Americans… have Rejected God to be THEIR MASTER, AND RATHER…
begged, demanded, THAT THEIR Representative Governing SERVANT…
“ BE THEIR MASTER ”.
^ THEY continuously Beg, demand THEIR “government” MASTERS…
To Feed them, House them, Clothe them, Give them endless Gifts of their WANTS, Educate them, Provide Medical care, Transport them… AND forever DO the SAME for the multitudes of “their” offsprings, which THEY Routinely “multiply”, (with known and unknown multiple momentary partners).
** IN AMERICA, at the Polls, THEY ELECT human MASTERS.

In Perspective… Every man “Chooses” / “Elects” his OWN MASTER…

Abundantly Blessed and Beloved is the man (human) who Chooses, Elects God to be THEIR MASTER and THEY HIS SERVANT.

Josh. 24:
[15a] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

1 Thes. 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

And… when deciding, your Choosing, your Election… WARNING… foresight…

Be Sure. choosing is Effected, Accomplished While you ARE ALIVE ( in your natural Life (Blood) Body.)
The Forever Consequence is Accomplished AFTER your Blood Life (blood) Body is Dead.

2 Pet 1:
[10a] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

God is the invisible Master .
T hough we darn sure might want to let paula white in on that secrete .
She said IF T RUMP says it GOD said it . And where she walks IS HOLY ground .
Last time i checked i can see TRUMP .
As if the place where puala white stands IS HOLY ground . I seen what she has done over the years
and gotten stank rich doing it too . Though very poor she truly is , and knows not that she is wretched
and blind and in massive poverty of the TRUE RICHES OF CHRIST JESUS .

 

[walter]

True, Christ is the head of the Church, however, she said "we have no human leaders." if that's the case, that would include the elders in the church and especially the Governing Body.

Jesus did warn us not to listen to Human Traditions that make the word of God invalid, and the apostles said not to listen to a new teaching, gospel or message that is not the original gospel that Christ and the first apostles laid down, even if it later comes from an angel or someone else.

The Bible throughout all the books, God has used humans to carry out his will?

Do you have a specific thing you do not agree with that the governing body has explained?

 

[walter]

True, Christ is the head of the Church, however, she said "we have no human leaders."

I myself believe my leader is the Bible.

For example I believe in these fundamental beliefs and I let the Bible do all the talking and explaining, I don't have to add any commentary.

- Salvation is a free gift. read these scriptures...
- I observe all Jesus words. read these scriptures...
- I observe all the Bible words. read these scriptures...
- Many inherit the Earth living forever upon it and a little flock inherits heaven and they become priests and judges.. scriptures...
- God gave specific instructions to Moses to engage in war with enemy nations, Jesus gave new instructions on how we are to treat our neighbors, our brothers and sisters and even our enemies. [ We have brothers and sisters in every nation totaling 1,108 languages. ]
- All our fundamental beliefs can be explained with scriptures alone.
- When the Bible does not directly address a topic, Jehovah's Witnesses rely on Bible principles and an informed conscience to make decisions. They research relevant scriptures, and pray for wisdom.

 

[amigo de christo]

started out great but man did it fall short .
AS IF . As the people follows the pope
So too does the jw follow another pope , known as the watch tower . PLEASE . they follow men just like many others do .
As if . i have witnessed to them . And to watch the hyprocrisy is astounding
FOR they do say a SOLID truth when they say many are programmed to heed a pope and that insitution
BUT man do they not do the very same thing as they cling to their beloved and so called HOLY LEADERS of the watch tower .
IF folks actually did TRUST GOD , DID TRUST in the WORDS in that bible
THEY WOULD have sat UNDER NEITHER ONE OF THOSE . nor the Mormon
nor a whole lot even in the protestant realm . MEN doing as men have always done , FLEECING the folks
and claiming we are the way , come ye and sit under us . just saying .

 

[Berean]

Jesus did warn us not to listen to Human Traditions that make the word of God invalid, and the apostles said not to listen to a new teaching, gospel or message that is not the original gospel that Christ and the first apostles laid down, even if it later comes from an angel or someone else.

You just described your Governing Body

 

[Marvelloustime]

started out great but man did it fall short .
AS IF . As the people follows the pope
So too does the jw follow another pope , known as the watch tower . PLEASE . they follow men just like many others do .
As if . i have witnessed to them . And to watch the hyprocrisy is astounding
FOR they do say a SOLID truth when they say many are programmed to heed a pope and that insitution
BUT man do they not do the very same thing as they cling to their beloved and so called HOLY LEADERS of the watch tower .
IF folks actually did TRUST GOD , DID TRUST in the WORDS in that bible
THEY WOULD have sat UNDER NEITHER ONE OF THOSE . nor the Mormon
nor a whole lot even in the protestant realm . MEN doing as men have always done , FLEECING the folks
and claiming we are the way , come ye and sit under us . just saying .

@amigo de christo

 

[Rockerduck]

I myself believe my leader is the Bible.

For example I believe in these fundamental beliefs and I let the Bible do all the talking and explaining, I don't have to add any commentary.

- Salvation is a free gift. read these scriptures...
- I observe all Jesus words. read these scriptures...
- I observe all the Bible words. read these scriptures...
- Many inherit the Earth living forever upon it and a little flock inherits heaven and they become priests and judges.. scriptures...
- God gave specific instructions to Moses to engage in war with enemy nations, Jesus gave new instructions on how we are to treat our neighbors, our brothers and sisters and even our enemies. [ We have brothers and sisters in every nation totaling 1,108 languages. ]
- All our fundamental beliefs can be explained with scriptures alone.
- When the Bible does not directly address a topic, Jehovah's Witnesses rely on Bible principles and an informed conscience to make decisions. They research relevant scriptures, and pray for wisdom.

Don't forget John 3:3, you must be born again. No Holy Spirit=no Salvation, no Heaven.

 

[walter]

You just described your Governing Body

If you were to point out a belief with the support of everything Jesus said and everything the apostles said in agreement, I would take your words seriously, and research the scriptures to see if what you say is true.. but in the end I would listen to Jesus words and the apostles words in agreement.

I listen to these words in the Bible at 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. NIV

Also John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. Berean Standard Bible

Romans 15:4
For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. New American Standard Bible

2 Peter 1:21
For prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Webster's Bible Translation

Luke 8:21
Jesus replied, “My mother and my brothers are all those who hear God’s word and obey it.” New Living Translation

Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. NIV

Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” English Standard Version

 

[walter]

Don't forget John 3:3, you must be born again. No Holy Spirit=no Salvation, no Heaven.

I agree with you totally, I feel we should include every scripture in the New Testament and especially all Jesus words to get a more complete understanding.

 

[Episkopos]

The things of the spirit are strange because it defies the flesh, I have always believed that through Christ anything is possible and many say this as well but do we truly believe it?

Amen. Mostly people will either affirm or deny the gifts of the Spirit based on displaying outward things (like the easily faked tongues)...not an inward life that gives outward evidence.

Do you see people performing miracles? are our prayers requests or are the assurance?

Why do you want outward miracles? God hides Himself...so that the miracles that happen in a spiritual fellowship are constant...but not necessarily sticking out so much that an unbeliever would see them. Intimate miracles are more to be sought and seen by spiritual believers.

I haven't seen many miracles and I have spoken with many Christians about this but few can actually say they saw the hand of God or a miracle or divine intervention

Well, most believers are not spiritual...and the fellowship they experience is ore based on emotions and what the flesh can get excited about.

Then there are the cessationalists who outright deny that the spiritual gifts are for today and for the most part they seem to be right because you don't see many Christians who truly walk in the spirit whose presence can be felt when entering a room or who lays on hands and heals someone.

Again, carnal people look for outward signs and wonders. It's about the spectacle for these.

Even prayer for that matter seems to be a I hope he answers kind of thing it is not like when Jesus prayed or when he performed miracles he was assured he was confident he made his request but even just creating all that fish and bread as he did he seemed assured he would recieve it.

There is however another side to this, there are some believers one whom I even got to be in the presence of who are full of the spirit like I mean you can feel them just by being near them there is life in them and there are some believers out there who can actually lay on hands and heal or pray and be assured they will recieve

So what makes the difference I wonder? what makes one believer spiritually rich while the rest are just kind of well not?

The main gifting of the Spirit is eternal life...resurrection life lived through these frail vessels. It is an intimate walk...a higher walk in the spiritual realm of the kingdom (in Zion). Any outward manifestation is only window dressing. The real miraculous things are experienced in a constant depth of walk...in holiness.

 

[amigo de christo]

Don't forget John 3:3, you must be born again. No Holy Spirit=no Salvation, no Heaven.

Trivia question .
DO the HOLY SPIRIT contradict TRUTH or is the HOLY SPIRIT TRUTH . TRUTH .
so why do i see so many cliaming to be born again
claiming to have the Spirit
twisting and omiting the words of truth IN that bible .
Because , THIS GOD would not , CHRIST would not , The SPIRIT would not , DO .
BIBLE TIME in the house .
Be encouraged my friend . Those who beleive JESUS is the Christ are born of GOD .
Those who follow another jesus , ARE NOT
And those who follow and heed to any other religoin , ARE NOT .
JESUS TIME , BIBLE TIME . let us learn well the holy scriptures my friend and my friends .
For what i say to one i must say to all , we gots many wolves in wool all over christendom now.

 

[Berean]

If you were to point out a belief with the support of everything Jesus said and everything the apostles said in agreement, I would take your words seriously, and research the scriptures to see if what you say is true.. but in the end I would listen to Jesus words and the apostles words in agreement.

I listen to these words in the Bible at 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. NIV

Also John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. Berean Standard Bible

Romans 15:4
For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. New American Standard Bible

2 Peter 1:21
For prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Webster's Bible Translation

Luke 8:21
Jesus replied, “My mother and my brothers are all those who hear God’s word and obey it.” New Living Translation

Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. NIV

Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” English Standard Version

You do realize that the scriptures they were referring to was the Old Testament, since that was the only scriptures they had.

 

[walter]

You do realize that the scriptures they were referring to was the Old Testament, since that was the only scriptures they had.

Yes that is true the Bereans referred to the Old Testament, now we have both, so we can all refer to the entire Bible. Because 2 Timothy 3:16-17 refers to all scripture.