Spirit filled believer?

[Aunty Jane]

Ohhh AJ! too many words, far too many.
Are you not aware that I have taken your advice to not read them.....a long time ago.

A cursory overview confirms your rattling. The repetitions don't cease. I guess you assume you are talking to a grade school kid!

LOL...sorry, I forgot that you are a grades school kid who cannot read past one paragraph....
Too many words? Is that why you don’t like the Bible?

You are in a public forum...what I post is for anyone who wants to read.....I respond to what you said, but you have your fingers in your ears, so perhaps someone else may benefit from an inconvenient truth that I share, rather than the convenient lies that are so widely accepted?

relying on? Intuition! do you think that's a valid guide.....or is it purely in ones head?

Intuition? The gut feeling? Yes, it can be a valid guide, but not in spiritual matters......there is only one guide in that arena and it’s full of wolves in sheep suits. Read Proverbs 3:5-6...good advice there.

 

[ProDeo]

Not interested in discussing the the truth....? That is your choice.

I wasn't actually in the mood to get involved in another church rant.

Miracles do happen, you said so, and that's good.

Maybe you even experienced an undeniable miracle from the Lord yourself ?

 

[quietthinker]

LOL...sorry, I forgot that you are a grades school kid who cannot read past one paragraph....
Too many words? Is that why you don’t like the Bible?

You are in a public forum...what I post is for anyone who wants to read.....I respond to what you said, but you have your fingers in your ears, so perhaps someone else may benefit from an inconvenient truth that I share, rather than the convenient lies that are so widely accepted?


Intuition? The gut feeling? Yes, it can be a valid guide, but not in spiritual matters......there is only one guide in that arena and it’s full of wolves in sheep suits. Read Proverbs 3:5-6...good advice there.

Ahhhh, advice! Have you noticed all the advice dished out? What is painful is the flattery the giver pats herself with.....particularly when advice is unasked for.

Yeah, I'm a grade school kid and a hungry sponge able to determine the difference between talking with and preaching at!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yeah, I'm a grade school kid and a hungry sponge able to determine the difference between talking with and preaching at!

Jesus did both.....but to different audiences.....which one are you?

 

[Cross8527]

The HS has no gender. The HS is neither male nor female.

And you know this how?

 

[Cross8527]

Well, think of it this way.... you have in your life an example of what NOT to do and how NOT to be!




Yep, and He's not wearing a dress either!




So you are claiming God is a gurl?

The devil's been spreading that rumor for years!




Yeah them JWs won't be bothered with any form of the Holy Spirit moving among their ranks... the Lord does not back false doctrine with signs and wonders.

No I am not read my post more carefully

 

[Aunty Jane]

I wasn't actually in the mood to get involved in another church rant.

What “church rant” would that be? I thought it was a biblical discussion. There are two sides to every discussion and we are at liberty to share our side.....no?

Miracles do happen, you said so, and that's good.

From the wrong source, it’s not good. How are we to know the difference if God and the devil are competing for our worship? If God withdraws his genuine miracles.....whose are left?

Maybe you even experienced an undeniable miracle from the Lord yourself ?

I have no doubt that God can answer prayers when appropriate and in accordance with his will, (and yes I have had prayers answered) but this does not answer the question as to why God does not grant miracles to those who really need them? Why do bad things happen to good people? Where is his spirit then?

How many people do you know who have prayed for healing but who died in pain from their illness?
Was this the case in Jesus’ day? How many failures were reported in the Bible?
How many people did Jesus feed when the crowds came to hear him? Thousands at one time. This is the power of God’s spirit.....is that what we see today?

Can you honestly say it’s the same spirit that performs today’s “miracles”?
So are they really “miracles” or the devil’s trickery? It’s not a hard equation to make......unless we don’t want to confront an awful truth......and what it means in the big picture.

Sincerity is good but of itself has no value if it is misdirected. Didn’t Paul learn that lesson?

 

[Aunty Jane]

And you know this how?

It’s grammatical. The “Paraclete” (helper, Holy Spirit) in Scripture is in the male gender in Greek. All pronouns are therefore masculine. The holy sprit, like all “spirits” in the Bible, has no gender because gender is only applied to reproductive life on earth....there are even male and female plants.

God is neither male nor female, but has attributes of both with which he endowed his human children.

He has a son who was born as a male because males were given responsibility for taking care of the women in their lives. Husbands were to care for their wives and children and if a woman was widowed, her firstborn son was obligated to care for her until he was 30 years of age.

Jesus was 30 when he began his ministry and by that time, his mother was a widow. Jesus had male siblings, but he gave his mother’s care over to the apostle John because his siblings had not yet put faith in him. He had her spiritual welfare first in mind.

The roles of male and female were clearly defined in God’s law. If you read Proverbs 31 and see the description of a capable wife, you will see that she was not restricted in her activities, if she had a mind to undertake them. She could do all that a man could do and more, but she knew her place in God’s arrangement. She was not in competition with men, but could demonstrate her abilities as long as she didn’t try to usurp her husband’s headship.

 

[Cross8527]

It’s grammatical. The “Paraclete” (helper, Holy Spirit) in Scripture is in the male gender in Greek. All pronouns are therefore masculine. The holy sprit, like all “spirits” in the Bible, has no gender because gender is only applied to reproductive life on earth....there are even male and female plants.

God is neither male nor female, but has attributes of both with which he endowed his human children.

He has a son who was born as a male because males were given responsibility for taking care of the women in their lives. Husbands were to care for their wives and children and if a woman was widowed, he firstborn son was obligated to care for her until he was 30 years of age.

Jesus was 30 when he began his ministry and by that time, his mother was a widow. Jesus had male siblings, but he gave his mother’s care over to the apostle John because his siblings had not yet put faith in him. He had her spiritual welfare first in mind.

The roles of male and female were clearly defined in God’s law. If you read Proverbs 31 and see the description of a capable wife, you will see that she was not restricted in her activities, if she had a mind to undertake them. She could do all that a man could do and more, but she knew her place in God’s arrangement. She was not in competition with men, but could demonstrate her abilities as long as she didn’t try to usurp her husband’s headship.

I will go by what scripture says

• John 14:26:
  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you".
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• Notice how the word he is used? case closed

 

[Azim]

Matthew 12:22-30​

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22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


If miracles some of us witness, are from the enemy, yet, we run closer to God, is he not doing a really bad job? I speak this, from what I have witnessed in my life.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I will go by what scripture says

• John 14:26:
  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you".
• 
  
• Notice how the word he is used? case closed

Grammar dictates the use of appropriate pronouns....have you never studied English grammar? Proper grammar applies in all languages.

Today, with all the gender issues, who has not heard of pronouns? A trans man will use the pronoun “she” and “her”....and the reverse with a trans woman.

A spirit is not human or earthbound, and therefore has no gender.

Not case closed at all....just falling back on ignorance of how language works, which doesn’t change a thing about whether the Holy Spirit is male....it’s moot point. A spirit has no gender.

 

[Cross8527]

Grammar dictates the use of appropriate pronouns....have you never studied English grammar? Proper grammar applies in all languages.

Today, with all the gender issues, who has not heard of pronouns? A trans man will use the pronoun “she” and “her”....and the reverse with a trans woman.

A spirit is not human or earthbound, and therefore has no gender.

Not case closed at all....just falling back on ignorance of how language works, which doesn’t change a thing about whether the Holy Spirit is male....it’s moot point. A spirit has no gender.

You can make al;l the excuses you want but there is no Grammar issue here and you and I both know this you just don't have any cards to play so you resort to saying it is a Grammar issue when it says plain as day it is a he.

But by all means prove it is a issue with Grammar

 

[ProDeo]

What “church rant” would that be? I thought it was a biblical discussion. There are two sides to every discussion and we are at liberty to share our side.....no?

Sure, it's your right to condemn Christendom as you have called it.

It's my right to condemn the JW beliefs.

But like I said, I wasn't in the mood

From the wrong source, it’s not good. How are we to know the difference if God and the devil are competing for our worship? If God withdraws his genuine miracles.....whose are left?

Most of my Christian life I resided in the charismatic movement and I am fully aware some have serious issues regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

I have no doubt that God can answer prayers when appropriate and in accordance with his will, (and yes I have had prayers answered) but this does not answer the question as to why God does not grant miracles to those who really need them? Why do bad things happen to good people? Where is his spirit then?

I don't know.

And I pretty sure nobody knows.

How many people do you know who have prayed for healing but who died in pain from their illness?
Was this the case in Jesus’ day? How many failures were reported in the Bible?
How many people did Jesus feed when the crowds came to hear him? Thousands at one time. This is the power of God’s spirit.....is that what we see today?

Of course it was a very very special time in the history of human kind, Jesus (God the Son) came down from heaven, became one of us and showed us God the Father (John 14:9), full of grace and power.

Can you honestly say it’s the same spirit that performs today’s “miracles”?
So are they really “miracles” or the devil’s trickery? It’s not a hard equation to make......unless we don’t want to confront an awful truth......and what it means in the big picture.

I will give you one for you to scrutinize.

1-1½ year before I came to Christ I was a christian by name due to my upbringing. I had no idea of sin or who Jesus was, you get the picture. I was walking home in the night in the city of my birth, The Hague. About 500-600 from home I heard a disturbing sound after me, I turned around and saw a man with bewildering eyes storming at me with bad intentions. Half or one second later the man stopped running, his bewildering eyes changed into full of fear while looking behind me, he turned around and ran as fast as he could.

The Lord -- even in my unrepentant state of mind -- had other plans with me.

Speaking of Grace.....................

Of course I did not realize what really happened at the time, after my conversion I did.

 

[Aunty Jane]

But by all means prove it is a issue with Grammar

I already did.
“God is a spirit” as it says in John 4:24....he is referred to as male but not because he has literal gender. Males alone had dominant roles in God’s worship, so to present himself as female would have been detrimental to his worship......humans had to have a basis to understand the relationship between God and his son, as well as the angels, otherwise it would create confusion. All presented as males.

“Male and female” pertain only to earth bound creatures, as it says in Gen 1:27 and quoted by Jesus in Matt 19:4. It is the sole reason for the perpetuation of life on this planet. Gender roles were prescribed by the Creator.

Jesus was born on earth as a human male, so there is no gender issue there.

The Holy Spirit is also spirit....and hence has no gender. Grammar alone makes reference to this spirit as male. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Most of my Christian life I resided in the charismatic movement and I am fully aware some have serious issues regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

My early life was spent in the Anglican Church, but as I matured, so many question remained unanswered for me, so I have been on both sides of this spiritual fence, so to speak.
My experiences after becoming a Witness, showed me how involved God was in my decisions. How he arranged for me to be where I needed to be throughout my life. Sometimes I wondered why I needed to go where I didn’t particularly want to, but in hindsight, like yourself, I saw it clearly.

I don't know.

And I pretty sure nobody knows.

The Bible tells us that the gifts would cease, because Christians had to put away the traits of a spiritual child and press on to maturity, developing the qualities of “faith, hope and love”. (1 Cor 13: 8-13)
Relying on miracles to base our faith on, requires things that are seen....which is not the definition of faith. (Heb 11:1)

Of course it was a very very special time in the history of human kind, Jesus (God the Son) came down from heaven, became one of us and showed us God the Father (John 14:9), full of grace and power.

I agree. It was a special time in human history.....but it wasn’t to last. It served a purpose, and once it was God’s time, those miracles were to cease. As I have said before, God does not compete with the devil. If the miracles were to cease, under whose power do they still take place? (2 Thess 2:9-12)

I will give you one for you to scrutinize.

1-1½ year before I came to Christ I was a christian by name due to my upbringing. I had no idea of sin or who Jesus was, you get the picture. I was walking home in the night in the city of my birth, The Hague. About 500-600 from home I heard a disturbing sound after me, I turned around and saw a man with bewildering eyes storming at me with bad intentions. Half or one second later the man stopped running, his bewildering eyes changed into full of fear while looking behind me, he turned around and ran as fast as he could.

The Lord -- even in my unrepentant state of mind -- had other plans with me.

Speaking of Grace.....................

Of course I did not realize what really happened at the time, after my conversion I did.

I had a Christian sister relate something similar when witnessing in a rough neighbourhood. A man known to treat Witnesses rudely and with threats and profanity, was actually very polite to this older sister. A neighbor who saw what happened asked the man why he did not respond as he usually did, and he said it was the big guy standing behind her that pulled him up.....but she was alone.

I don’t put that in the “miracle” category, like the healings and the raising of the dead. I see that more as God intervening when he needed to for his own reasons....yet he does not always intervene as people are victims of what Solomon wrote in Eccl 9:11-12....

“I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.
For man does not know his time. Just as fish are caught in an evil net and birds are caught in a trap, so the sons of men are ensnared in a time of disaster, when it suddenly overtakes them.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And you know this how?

The HS does not have XX or XY chromosomes in his DNA

 

[Cross8527]

I already did.
“God is a spirit” as it says in John 4:24....he is referred to as male but not because he has literal gender. Males alone had dominant roles in God’s worship, so to present himself as female would have been detrimental to his worship......humans had to have a basis to understand the relationship between God and his son, as well as the angels, otherwise it would create confusion. All presented as males.

“Male and female” pertain only to earth bound creatures, as it says in Gen 1:27 and quoted by Jesus in Matt 19:4. It is the sole reason for the perpetuation of life on this planet. Gender roles were prescribed by the Creator.

Jesus was born on earth as a human male, so there is no gender issue there.

The Holy Spirit is also spirit....and hence has no gender. Grammar alone makes reference to this spirit as male. Why is that so hard to understand?

This is just your own opinion it is not scripture or even scripture based so this is not proof.

 

[Cross8527]

The HS does not have XX or XY chromosomes in his DNA

But he is still refered to as a he in scripture John 14:26, referring to Him as "the Helper" (or "Advocate") and saying that "He will teach you". He also states in John 15:26, "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me".

So it doesn't matter if he does not have the chromozones because he is spirit and yet he is still mentioned by Jesus himself as a he so do you just ignore this scripture or are you able to admit you may be wrong?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But he is still refered to as a he in scripture John 14:26, referring to Him as "the Helper" (or "Advocate") and saying that "He will teach you". He also states in John 15:26, "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me".

So it doesn't matter if he does not have the chromozones because he is spirit and yet he is still mentioned by Jesus himself as a he so do you just ignore this scripture or are you able to admit you may be wrong?

Lets see

we have 3 choices

Call the HS a He, A She, or an IT.

so we call him a he. this does not mean he is a man.

again what makes a person a man is their chronozones. the spirit is spirit, not flesh, he has no gender.

 

[Cross8527]

Lets see

we have 3 choices

Call the HS a He, A She, or an IT.

so we call him a he. this does not mean he is a man.

again what makes a person a man is their chronozones. the spirit is spirit, not flesh, he has no gender.

Youi really like to see things from a carnal perspective don't you? equating the spirit to man is like equating mustard and ketchup they are not the same in the slightest and it doesn't matter if you think something like chromozones decides what he is or isn't because the scriptures are the truth not your opinion and they say the spirit is a he and you have yet to provide any evidence supporting your stance other than your opinion which means you are leaning on your own understanding and are rejecting the scriptures therefore rejecting the words of God himself all because you cannot see past your own personal view and refuse to admit you are wrong.

Do you hold the word of God as truth or not?