Spiritual etymology

[lforrest]

It seems to me that there is an unnamed and undiscovered art in this world.

Spiritual discernment can be applied to any idea. And from that the spirit or spirits behind it exposed. All the way down to the roots. Sort of like an etymology.

An example that is probably not correct or complete, but will give you an idea of what I'm on about:

The idea of Marxism stems from envy and rebellion. Envy comes from pride and doubt. Rebellion, pride, and doubt all come directly from Satan.

So by breaking down an idea to it's spiritual roots we can form insights about it. Insights about how to categorize it, and how to attack or defend against it.

 

[Jim B]

It seems to me that there is an unnamed and undiscovered art in this world.

Spiritual discernment can be applied to any idea. And from that the spirit or spirits behind it exposed. All the way down to the roots. Sort of like an etymology.

An example that is probably not correct or complete, but will give you an idea of what I'm on about:

The idea of Marxism stems from envy and rebellion. Envy comes from pride and doubt. Rebellion, pride, and doubt all come directly from Satan.

So by breaking down an idea to it's spiritual roots we can form insights about it. Insights about how to categorize it, and how to attack or defend against it.

I am not sure where you're going with this. Here are good definitions of Marxism: a) one of the primary principles of Marxism is that the modes of production and the relationships of exchange form the base of society, i.e., its primary features and b) Marx condemned capitalism as a system that alienates the masses. His reasoning was as follows: although workers produce things for the market, market forces, not workers, control things. People are required to work for capitalists who have full control over the means of production and maintain power in the workplace."

I don't see envy and rebellion here.

 

[lforrest]

I am not sure where you're going with this. Here are good definitions of Marxism: a) one of the primary principles of Marxism is that the modes of production and the relationships of exchange form the base of society, i.e., its primary features and b) Marx condemned capitalism as a system that alienates the masses. His reasoning was as follows: although workers produce things for the market, market forces, not workers, control things. People are required to work for capitalists who have full control over the means of production and maintain power in the workplace."

I don't see envy and rebellion here.

What Marxism is and what it claims to be are fundamentally different. Look at the rhetoric and motivation of it's advocates. The communist marxist revolutions were not waged in mute academic agreement, but in the blood of millions. The revolution is driven by a resentment of the bourgeoisie, and fueled by envy.

 

[Jim B]

What Marxism is and what it claims to be are fundamentally different. Look at the rhetoric and motivation of it's advocates. The communist marxist revolutions were not waged in mute academic agreement, but in the blood of millions. The revolution is driven by a resentment of the bourgeoisie, and fueled by envy.

That is just your opinion. Communism (Marxism) is a sociopolitical theory of government, as are capitalism, socialism, etc. There are people who claim that January 6 was a peaceful protest.

 

[lforrest]

That is just your opinion. Communism (Marxism) is a sociopolitical theory of government, as are capitalism, socialism, etc. There are people who claim that January 6 was a peaceful protest.

You are incapable of looking past the surface ideologies to analyze motivations. That is also informative, moving us closer to a solid concept for this.

If I had to analyze the motivations of the January 6th protestors it was anger. Anger that their image of a representative democracy was corrupted. They wanted Mike pence to not certify the stolen election and restore their faith in the system. There was no spirit of rebellion behind it, therefore nothing came of it. They were like dogs chasing tires.

 

[Enoch111]

Marx condemned capitalism as a system that alienates the masses.

Was there any truth in this? Certainly there are greedy and unscrupulous capitalists. But without capitalism there would be no functioning economy. That is why the Soviet Union collapsed, and that is why China became a capitalist country without giving up its tyranny.

Marx promoted CONSTANT CONFLICT AND CONSTANT STRUGGLE between the classes (Now in America it is constant conflict between blacks and whites). He did not want any peace or cooperation. And since Karl Marx was a Satanist, we know where his evil ideology came from. Every Communist country has been a total disaster. I would say the underlying motivation was HATRED.

 

[Jim B]

You are incapable of looking past the surface ideologies to analyze motivations. That is also informative, moving us closer to a solid concept for this.

If I had to analyze the motivations of the January 6th protestors it was anger. Anger that their image of a representative democracy was corrupted. They wanted Mike pence to not certify the stolen election and restore their faith in the system. There was no spirit of rebellion behind it, therefore nothing came of it. They were like dogs chasing tires.

Are you okay??? They were a violent mob, intent on preventing the legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote by the people of the United States. They were violently angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election. And you claim that "nothing came of it"? Chaos, violence, and death were the results of their illegal behavior. They were anything but "dogs chasing tires". They wanted to invalidate the election of the President and Vice-President (and others) by their unlawful criminal behavior.

 

[lforrest]

Are you okay??? They were a violent mob, intent on preventing the legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote by the people of the United States. They were violently angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election. And you claim that "nothing came of it"? Chaos, violence, and death were the results of their illegal behavior. They were anything but "dogs chasing tires". They wanted to invalidate the election of the President and Vice-President (and others) by their unlawful criminal behavior.

"They were a violent mob," is not a motivation. Their "intention to prevent a legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote" does not speak to motivations either. "They were angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election" is closer to my intent for this thread.

If their motivation was loyalty to Trump with the intent to keep him in power irregardless of the actual outcome of the election. From where does loyalty originate which is greater than that for ones country? And for a leader who's policies were America first. So the implication would be that Trump won popularity because of who he is and not his policies, or his followers all shifted from being pro America to being pro Trump.

Nothing came of J6 except in terms of things that affect the governance of this country. No further riots resulted from the certification of Biden. But the aftermath does not serve to further the discussion about motivations.

 

[Enoch111]

Are you okay??? They were a violent mob, intent on preventing the legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote by the people of the United States. They were violently angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election.

This BALONEY is being exposed even as we post. So why are you still committed to promoting a false narrative? If you are siding with the liars it means that the Father of Lies is controlling you. Time to repent of this foolishness.

Massive ELECTION FRAUD is being called "totally legal" by a Christian? What's next? "Biden is the best president the USA has ever had"? "Good is evil, and evil is good"?

 

[Behold]

It seems to me that there is an unnamed and undiscovered art in this world.

Spiritual discernment can be applied to any idea.

Paul teaches us that "He that is spiritual JUDGES all things".

= spiritual discernment"........ has to do mostly with the spiritual.. and if you apply this to the study of the word of God then to discern the verses is to "rightly divide the verses".

However, DISCERNMENT, is the innate ability to recognize differences, makes distinctions, and judge perfectly between right and wrong, good and evil, truth and deception.

Every single one of you who is born again, has Jesus in you, and He is all wisdom and knowledge, power and truth.
You are connected to the Lord on the Spiritual level that is deeper then the intellect or the personality.

Within you is "spiritual eyes"....and these eyes are your discernment of all things.

 

[Jim B]

"They were a violent mob," is not a motivation. Their "intention to prevent a legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote" does not speak to motivations either. "They were angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election" is closer to my intent for this thread.

If their motivation was loyalty to Trump with the intent to keep him in power irregardless of the actual outcome of the election. From where does loyalty originate which is greater than that for ones country? And for a leader who's policies were America first. So the implication would be that Trump won popularity because of who he is and not his policies, or his followers all shifted from being pro America to being pro Trump.

Nothing came of J6 except in terms of things that affect the governance of this country. No further riots resulted from the certification of Biden. But the aftermath does not serve to further the discussion about motivations.

This is all sophistry.

It doesn't matter what your intent is for this thread. A discussion is between two or more people, ideally to arrive at a mutual understanding.

You make one statement about loyalty to Trump, then follow it with loyalty to one's country, as though they are synonymous. They clearly are not! You are on the right track when you state that Trump won popularity because of who he is and not his policies, or his followers all shifted from being pro America to being pro Trump.

Nothing came of the January 6 violence in terms of things that affect the governance of this country because the insurrection was defeated and the Congress carried out its Constitutional duty. Regardless of Trump's refusal to exercise his Constitutional duty to protect and defend the Constitution, democracy was the victor.

 

[marks]

That is just your opinion. Communism (Marxism) is a sociopolitical theory of government, as are capitalism, socialism, etc. There are people who claim that January 6 was a peaceful protest.

Just my opinion . . . It's a fraudulent system that uses communistic rhetoric (worker's paradise) to render a society into totalitarian government by the new elites.

Its the government saying, I'll take control of everything, and share equally among us all, since others haven't been sharing. And then they don't share.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There are people who claim that January 6 was a peaceful protest.

Have you been watching the video captures of that day?

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are incapable of looking past the surface ideologies to analyze motivations. That is also informative, moving us closer to a solid concept for this.

If I had to analyze the motivations of the January 6th protestors it was anger. Anger that their image of a representative democracy was corrupted. They wanted Mike pence to not certify the stolen election and restore their faith in the system. There was no spirit of rebellion behind it, therefore nothing came of it. They were like dogs chasing tires.

And they were provoked in many ways by federal agent/provocateurs. The more serious crimes were, for the most part, committed by federal "plants".

Much love!

 

[Jim B]

Just my opinion . . . It's a fraudulent system that uses communistic rhetoric (worker's paradise) to render a society into totalitarian government by the new elites.

Its the government saying, I'll take control of everything, and share equally among us all, since others haven't been sharing. And then they don't share.

Much love!

LOL!!!

 

[Jim B]

And they were provoked in many ways by federal agent/provocateurs. The more serious crimes were, for the most part, committed by federal "plants".

Much love!

LOL!!!

 

[marks]

Are you okay??? They were a violent mob, intent on preventing the legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote by the people of the United States. They were violently angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election. And you claim that "nothing came of it"? Chaos, violence, and death were the results of their illegal behavior. They were anything but "dogs chasing tires". They wanted to invalidate the election of the President and Vice-President (and others) by their unlawful criminal behavior.

Are you okay?

They were let into the building and escorted by capitol police. They wanted Congress to stand up and do it's job. And they were set up by the Democrat party as an excuse to actually not investigate the reports of fraud by over 100 congressmen. To ignore 1/4 of the chamber in something as important as this?

In an election riddled with malfeasance and systemic violations of election law. In an election that is a complete statistical anomaly no matter how you look at it. Even now the nation remains behind President Trump.

And look at the cost of a stolen election. A ruined economy. An invasion of our borders. War. Why go on? You live here too. You can see the damage done!

At the very least they were duty bound to investigate. But like Biden said . . . "No matter what happens on January 6, on the 20th, I will be inaugurated president." It was a set up.

Much love!

 

[marks]

LOL!!!

Do you study history?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Was there any truth in this? Certainly there are greedy and unscrupulous capitalists. But without capitalism there would be no functioning economy. That is why the Soviet Union collapsed, and that is why China became a capitalist country without giving up its tyranny.

Marx promoted CONSTANT CONFLICT AND CONSTANT STRUGGLE between the classes (Now in America it is constant conflict between blacks and whites). He did not want any peace or cooperation. And since Karl Marx was a Satanist, we know where his evil ideology came from. Every Communist country has been a total disaster. I would say the underlying motivation was HATRED.

The Bible supports private property, and it supports capitalism, admonishing us to be fair within that practice.

Much love!

 

[Jim B]

Are you okay?

They were let into the building and escorted by capitol police. They wanted Congress to stand up and do it's job. And they were set up by the Democrat party as an excuse to actually not investigate the reports of fraud by over 100 congressmen. To ignore 1/4 of the chamber in something as important as this?

In an election riddled with malfeasance and systemic violations of election law. In an election that is a complete statistical anomaly no matter how you look at it. Even now the nation remains behind President Trump.

And look at the cost of a stolen election. A ruined economy. An invasion of our borders. War. Why go on? You live here too. You can see the damage done!

At the very least they were duty bound to investigate. But like Biden said . . . "No matter what happens on January 6, on the 20th, I will be inaugurated president." It was a set up.

Much love!

You are so deluded that there is no point in discussing the issue any further. Bye -- you're now on "ignore" status. And forget the "much love" hypocrisy!