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12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12.

In relationship to soul, everything is outer. Where as in spirit - it is a inner work. Everything God has completed in you is spirit. Your soul is being renewed - the body will be renewed - but everything in spirit is finished , "it is finished" the complete work of God in a believer is finished. Now like the bumper sticker says 'God is not through with me' but he is through with you - in spirit. That is the confusion in living a christian life. How do we live a christian life? By spirit - the scriptures are clear on how to live a life as a christian and that life is lived as a spiritual being. When we think of 'a spiritual being' we automatically think of grandma and grandpa. They were spiritual is the term I used to hear - they have been going to the church house for 50 years now and never missed a meeting.

See how we think: we think in terms of doing something to be who I am. Because they didn't miss a meeting and they are kind people, most, then surely they are spiritual. Well that is not what makes a spiritual being.

Now granted living by spirit has to happen by soul. You cannot do one with out the other. We are triune being as God is a triune being - created in his image and likeness. God is - a Father - a Son - and a Holyspirit. One God expressing Himself in three different capacities. There is no right words for trying to explain the Trinity and I don't even like to try but it is so important for our relationship to be established, for growth and for understanding, that you have to talk about it. It is the only way of expressing who you are.

My thoughts and mind always go to the scripture in Hebrew 4:12, where it says it will take the word of God to separate soul and spirit. So in my little thinking I look at that scripture, and the soul and spirit are so closely related that it takes the word of God to separate them. The part about that verse we need to keep in mind when you read it is; it says you can separate them so that means they can be separated and need to be separated because they can be separated. You will have to use the word of God to separate them because that is the only way to separate soul and spirit.

Once you separate soul and spirit you can see by not separating soul and spirit you will not know what God is doing in you - in life - in the world. Yes in the world - the world is very important to the work of God. The major point in the world is "it is a schoolhouse" and it has teacher's and those instructors teach us so we can grow (soul). When we see the schoolhouse in action - then a believer can settle down and move in God. You can grow, but until then you are in the schoolhouse for devine training.

It is like a good father that sends his children to the best university that money can buy for the best teaching that is available. Our Father's schoolhouse is a lot different then our earthly one - you get perfect training in our Father's schoolhouse. After all we are 'lord of all' Galatians 4 1-2 says, because we are birthed and that is our inheritance and to live according to the family spirit. That is the 'spirit of adoption' learning the 'family ways' because we have never lived in this family before. This family has certain ways you have to learn because you cannot live according to other ways they lead away from the family.

I like to use the Rockefellers as a example - they are under governor's and tudors until they can handle family business. There is to much at stake to turn them loose even though they are 'lord of all' by a birthing - they were born Rockefellers and need to learn the Rockefeller way of living a lifestyle and business ethics to keep the business flourishing.

So you must learn and it is like a birthed child that is now learning from a family that has adopted them. It's simple but we make a doctrine out of being adopted and it don't work because we are the 'bonified offspring of God' and need to operate according to the family spirit. Bless you - your inheritance is sound and secure!
 
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I remember him from HBO or something :) simple word 'governor's and tudors' for 'circumstances and situations.'
Yeah, them Tudors.

Tudor
(ˈtjuːdə)
n
(Biography) an English royal house descended from a Welsh squire, Owen Tudor (died 1461), and ruling from 1485 to 1603. Monarchs of the Tudor line were Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I, and Elizabeth I
adj
(Architecture) denoting a style of architecture of the late perpendicular period and characterized by half-timbered houses
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
 

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Funny how your heart took a well expressed truth, and chose to notice, and pick at a simple misspelled word, Stumpmaster. I hope you will re-read that, and think, ponder on it a little, rather than focusing on a typo, that never obscured the meaning at all. You might end up blessed.
 
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'For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you,
and for them at Laodicea,
and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
That their hearts might be comforted,
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father, and of Christ;
In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'

(Col 2:1-3)

Hello @soul man

Thank you for sharing.

Yes, it is a finished work! Blessed be God!

We are 'complete' in Christ Jesus our risen Lord.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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See how we think: we think in terms of doing something to be who I am. Because they didn't miss a meeting and they are kind people, most, then surely they are spiritual. Well that is not what makes a spiritual being.
Hi soul man!

This is why I try to never miss an opportunity to say we are the spirit children of God. Flesh gives birth to flesh, Spirit gives birth to spirit. We are born of God, God is Spirit, and we worship Him in spirit, and in truth. We live were He is, in the spirit realm. If we didn't, our worship would be like the others, an earthy thing.

The soul may think this way or that way, God's way or the world's way. The spirit will only think God's way. If we walk in the spirit we will not do the works of the flesh.

Much love!
 

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Funny how your heart took a well expressed truth, and chose to notice, and pick at a simple misspelled word, Stumpmaster. I hope you will re-read that, and think, ponder on it a little, rather than focusing on a typo, that never obscured the meaning at all. You might end up blessed.
I didn't think it was just mispelled but also misappropriated, so action was taken. Sorry if that offends some.

Puns, spoonerisms, malapropisms, can be blessings, some even Biblical if you know where to look.

Quote below from: Puns In The Bible.
The Hebrew word for “praise” transliterates into yadah, pronounced yaw-daw! The Hebrew word for “Judah”, transliterates into yehudah, pronounced yeh-hoo-daw. The pronunciations of both praise and Judah are very similar. Judah originates from another word which means to thank or to give thanks, which is the basis for praise.

Understanding that Judah, from which the word Jew is derived, means praise sheds additional light and places more emphasis on Paul’s statement in Romans 2:29. Placing extra emphasis on what is being said is the entire point of using a PUN!
Romans 2:29
“But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
 

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This is why I try to never miss an opportunity to say we are the spirit children of God.
While I understand what you are trying to convey, the term "spirit children" is a part of Mormon theology, and means something entirely different. Here is what they teach (with many errors included):

Spirit Children of Heavenly Parents


God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father.
All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. [which is false] Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities.

Overview
God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father. All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335). [more false teaching]

Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister.
[more false teaching] Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy.

We were not all alike in heaven. We know, for example, that we were sons and daughters of heavenly parents—males and females. [more false teaching] We possessed different talents and abilities, and we were called to do different things on earth.

A veil covers our memories of our premortal life,
[more false teaching] but our Father in Heaven knows who we are and what we did before we came here. He has chosen the time and place for each of us to be born so we can learn the lessons we personally need and do the most good with our individual talents and personalities.

Spirit Children of Heavenly Parents

This is almost like the transmigration of souls. Therefore you should not be using the term "spirit children". Unless you have joined the LDS church (which I rather doubt).
 

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Blood cells that's what we are.
Life is in the blood.
We are the body of Christ.
He Lives through us.
Life is in the blood.
We are all in His body doing whatever cells do.
At the same time he is in Our body, and we all share His body in each of us.

Like looking through a telescope and a microscope at the same time.

Spirit Children? Yes, because we all share the same spirit, the same seed.
Both individually and as a part of the whole.

sorry I didn't mean to interupt..
just wanted to share that.
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Yeah, them Tudors.

Tudor
(ˈtjuːdə)
n
(Biography) an English royal house descended from a Welsh squire, Owen Tudor (died 1461), and ruling from 1485 to 1603. Monarchs of the Tudor line were Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I, and Elizabeth I
adj
(Architecture) denoting a style of architecture of the late perpendicular period and characterized by half-timbered houses
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. - Galatians 4:1-2.

Keeps the simple mind satisfied haha and they have a word puzzle. It's like making your own toys :-)
 
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1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. - Galatians 4:1-2.

Keeps the simple mind satisfied haha and they have a word puzzle. It's like making your own toys :)
Yes, Tudors & Tutors. I'm blessed everyday.
 

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While I understand what you are trying to convey, the term "spirit children" is a part of Mormon theology, and means something entirely different. Here is what they teach (with many errors included):
I don't really care what they teach. Religions use all sorts of words that have counterpart in the Bible, so what?

(FYI - I skip past big bright 'loud' fonts like that pretty much like I don't watch the videos people post. Hard on the eyes, and generally trying to push something on me)

I'd say stop confusing the issue with bringing in all this Morman teaching. I'm not interested for a moment in promoting what they teach, and before you say it - I'm not. As you'll see, I quote the Bible, and teach what it says.

Do you understand about being God's spirit child incarnated into flesh, in fact, the same fleshy man you were before rebirth?

Maybe this is a great example for the OP, Spirituality, or the true, and Religiosity, that which man devises to satisfy his need for "a god".

You know about the Hopi's, and the Great Spirit? Does that mean we should not speak of the Holy Spirit? Of course not!

By understanding what God has done for us, begetting us from Himself, born from above, so that we are now His spirit child, we can understand the significance of the effect of Justification. Having died to our flesh man, being born anew, someone, something else, we understand how fully separated from our sin we are.

The old man is condemned, but we, the spirit children of God (not some other "spirit parents"), we are innocent, and always will be. The old man is separated from God, forever dead in sin. We, His spirit children, have life from His Spirit, and are always in union with Him.

We are as connected to God as the old man is connected to the body. One huge difference, though, while the body decays, God never changes. Life in Him is eternal.

Let's not steal from good and true doctrine because there are deceivers out there. I agree that we need to be clear and accurate, but I'm not going to shy away from what I think is the best terminology, which I get from the Bible itself. I find this to be a simple and accurate presentation of Jesus' and Paul's teachings, all actually Jesus' teaching of course.

One of my key reasons in liking this terminology is that it's not what's commonly said in my circles, and it can give rise to more consideration and/or discussion of these ideas.

I think that understanding our real separation from our flesh and our unity with God is key towards our victory over this world, and over sin.

Much love!
 
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Do you understand about being God's spirit child incarnated into flesh, in fact, the same fleshy man you were before rebirth?
Your response was totally inappropriate. Show us the term "spirit child" in the Bible. And if you cannot find it, then stop using it. You have said exactly what the Mormons teach -- "spirit child incarnated into flesh".
 

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Your response was totally inappropriate. Show us the term "spirit child" in the Bible. And if you cannot find it, then stop using it. You have said exactly what the Mormons teach -- "spirit child incarnated into flesh".
Do you understand what I'm talking about?

Perhaps you might demonstrate your understanding by putting it into your own words?

Much love!
 

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You have said exactly what the Mormons teach
No - - - I have not.

Overview
God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father. All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335). [more false teaching]

Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. [more false teaching] Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy.

Compare to,

By understanding what God has done for us, begetting us from Himself, born from above, so that we are now His spirit child, we can understand the significance of the effect of Justification. Having died to our flesh man, being born anew, someone, something else, we understand how fully separated from our sin we are.

The old man is condemned, but we, the spirit children of God (not some other "spirit parents"), we are innocent, and always will be. The old man is separated from God, forever dead in sin. We, His spirit children, have life from His Spirit, and are always in union with Him.

We are as connected to God as the old man is connected to the body. One huge difference, though, while the body decays, God never changes. Life in Him is eternal.

So if you want to go on about Morman teaching, that's up to you, but don't lay it at my doorstep.

You must be born again. Flesh gives birth to flesh. Spirit gives birth to spirit. Are you born of God? What does that mean that you are, if you are? Are you His child? Is God Spirit?

?

Much love!