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[DaDad]

I would not advise such a thing since the Ukranians are underpinned by the CIA.

Hi Angelina,

Perhaps the "facts" are not as you suppose, and GOD will correctly hold the Russian bear accountable for all it's past, present, and near future transgressions!



With Best Regards,
DD

 

[Angelina]

Hi DD,

Perhaps...Mr Bear is a tactical player but then you have your leopard who does not care for the God of your Fathers or the children of his inheritance...Mr Bear and a handful of other nations do not like the idea of a "One world" ruling counsel of power....that's what these struggles have been mainly about ...and oil of course. :huh:

 

[RANDOR]

Huh?. Still think he is a plant....raised from a baby
Hide and watch
h34r:

 

[DaDad]

Hi Angelina,

Hi DD,

Perhaps...Mr Bear is a tactical player but then you have your leopard who does not care for the God of your Fathers or the children of his inheritance...Mr Bear and a handful of other nations do not like the idea of a "One world" ruling counsel of power....that's what these struggles have been mainly about ...and oil of course. :huh:

Ummmmm, please allow this explanation:

1. Daniel 2:45 defines FIVE world empires (Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE).

2. The FIFTH empire of Clay has a residue of Iron, exactly as the vast majority of today's governments are based upon the Roman Republic model.

3. The FIFTH empire is "divided", presumably along the THREE SUPERPOWERS which we see today.

4. Daniel 2 cannot be parallel to Daniel 7, because we all know that FIVE ≠ FOUR.

5. Daniel 7 presumes to present:

-- Lion/Eagle, -- U.K./U.S.
-- Bear with 3-ribs, -- Russia and the THREE (and only three) illegal conquests of Hungary, 1956; Berlin Wall, 1961; and Czechoslovakia, 1968
-- Leopard (actually a "Tiger", -- Daniel's best depiction of a vertically marked cat which he SAW, versus the circularly marked cat which he KNEW) with 4-heads & 4-wings, -- China and it's Four Branches of government, and the Four Modernizations (per Chou En-Lai, 1975, which propelled China into the international markets)
-- "dreadful", -- United Nations, for which Rev. 17 calls the 8th, which "was and is not" because it has NO geography, NO populous, NO army, etc.


And for reference, here's that sequence in spades:

1. Gold, Babylonian
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Bronze, Grecian
4. Iron, Roman
-- Clay, "divided"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a Tiger), China
-- 8. "dreadful", United Nations
9. Great Stone, Millennial Kingdom
10. Heaven, Etermity

Or another way:

1. Gold, Babylonian
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Bronze, Grecian
4. Iron, Roman
5 Clay, "divided"
6. Great Stone, Millennial Kingdom
7. Heaven, Etermity



... and of course "7" is perfection, and "10" is completion, for what is GOD's Perfectly Complete plan for HIS creation!



And if one were to amplify the ten Toes / ten Horns / ten Diadems, one should find:

Current Permanent Membership in the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China

Nominated to Permanent Membership in the Security Council
6. Germany -- economic power
7. Japan-- economic power
8. Brazil -- regional representative for S. America
9. Nigeria-- regional representative for Africa
10. India-- regional representative for the Near East


But let's not forget the Rev. 13 "beast" which has:

1. The Mouth of the Lion -- where the U.K./U.S. has trade, finance, science, & technology
2. The Body of the Leopard (actually a Tiger), where China has the greatest population mass
3. The Feet of the Bear -- where Russia has the most expansive geography (8M sq. miles, versus Canada, U.S., & China which have 3M each)


It's ALL in the Bible.


With Best Regards,
DD

 

[shturt678]

]Hi Angelina,


Ummmmm, please allow this explanation:

1. Daniel 2:45 defines FIVE world empires (Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE).

2. The FIFTH empire of Clay has a residue of Iron, exactly as the vast majority of today's governments are based upon the Roman Republic model.

3. The FIFTH empire is "divided", presumably along the THREE SUPERPOWERS which we see today.

4. Daniel 2 cannot be parallel to Daniel 7, because we all know that FIVE ≠ FOUR.

5. Daniel 7 presumes to present:

-- Lion/Eagle, -- U.K./U.S.
-- Bear with 3-ribs, -- Russia and the THREE (and only three) illegal conquests of Hungary, 1956; Berlin Wall, 1961; and Czechoslovakia, 1968
-- Leopard (actually a "Tiger", -- Daniel's best depiction of a vertically marked cat which he SAW, versus the circularly marked cat which he KNEW) with 4-heads & 4-wings, -- China and it's Four Branches of government, and the Four Modernizations (per Chou En-Lai, 1975, which propelled China into the international markets)
-- "dreadful", -- United Nations, for which Rev. 17 calls the 8th, which "was and is not" because it has NO geography, NO populous, NO army, etc.


And for reference, here's that sequence in spades:

1. Gold, Babylonian
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Bronze, Grecian
4. Iron, Roman
-- Clay, "divided"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a Tiger), China
-- 8. "dreadful", United Nations
9. Great Stone, Millennial Kingdom
10. Heaven, Etermity

Or another way:

1. Gold, Babylonian
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Bronze, Grecian
4. Iron, Roman
5 Clay, "divided"
6. Great Stone, Millennial Kingdom
7. Heaven, Etermity



... and of course "7" is perfection, and "10" is completion, for what is GOD's Perfectly Complete plan for HIS creation!

Thank you for your caring!

Only a small head's up regarding a small itsy bitsy discrepancy: Dan.2:45's interpreted dream unanimously is about Christ's God-man's Kingdom sir obviously paralleled in chapters 7 & 8.



]And if one were to amplify the ten Toes / ten Horns / ten Diadems, one should find:

Current Permanent Membership in the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China

Nominated to Permanent Membership in the Security Council
6. Germany -- economic power
7. Japan-- economic power
8. Brazil -- regional representative for S. America
9. Nigeria-- regional representative for Africa
10. India-- regional representative for the Near East


But let's not forget the Rev. 13 "beast" which has:

1. The Mouth of the Lion -- where the U.K./U.S. has trade, finance, science, & technology
2. The Body of the Leopard (actually a Tiger), where China has the greatest population mass
3. The Feet of the Bear -- where Russia has the most expansive geography (8M sq. miles, versus Canada, U.S., & China which have 3M each)


It's ALL in the Bible.


With Best Regards,
DD

Old Jack's opinion

btw I haven't forgotten about the whole world's antichristian power in Rev.13:1-10 sir.

 

[DaDad]

Hi shturt678,

Only a small head's up regarding a small itsy bitsy discrepancy: Dan.2:45's interpreted dream unanimously is about Christ's God-man's Kingdom sir obviously paralleled in chapters 7 & 8.

1. Daniel 2:45 defines FIVE world empires (Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE).

2. The FIFTH empire of Clay has a residue of Iron, exactly as the vast majority of today's governments are based upon the Roman Republic model.

3. The FIFTH empire is "divided", presumably along the THREE SUPERPOWERS which we see today.

4. Daniel 2 cannot be parallel to Daniel 7, because we all know that FIVE ≠ FOUR.


With Best Regards,
DD

 

[DaDad]

Hi Angela,

I posted the "big picture" concept in this Topic because we need to see this Russian Bear from GOD's eyes, not from man's, which is subject to incorrect information. For some would appear to accuse the "CIA" for making Russian troops remove their shoulder insignias and attack Ukraine. Of course I concede that the CIA is responsible for the "four blood moons", the smog over the major Chinese cities, and global warming, so I don't discount this coercion of the Russian army. It just seems that the term "CIA" may be a code word for "GOD".

And so I re-iterate the following:

To All,

1. Any blood on any walls is at the hands of the violent, and the expense of the victim.

2. The violent often attempt to evade guilt, and blame the victim.

3. The Bear is told to "devour much flesh", and the other nations are the victims.


Daniel 7:5
5 And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side; it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.

Ezekiel 38:10
10 “Thus says the Lord God: On that day thoughts will come into your mind, and you will devise an evil scheme 11 and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages; I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates’; 12 to seize spoil and carry off plunder; to assail the waste places which are now inhabited, and the people who were gathered from the nations, who have gotten cattle and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth.



Per the above, it would be prudent to trust the Ukranians over the murderous Russians.

With Best Regards,
DD

 

[shturt678]

Hi shturt678,


1. Daniel 2:45 defines FIVE world empires (Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE).

2. The FIFTH empire of Clay has a residue of Iron, exactly as the vast majority of today's governments are based upon the Roman Republic model.

3. The FIFTH empire is "divided", presumably along the THREE SUPERPOWERS which we see today.

4. Daniel 2 cannot be parallel to Daniel 7, because we all know that FIVE ≠ FOUR.


With Best Regards,
DD

Thank you for your response!

I think we should backpeddle to the simple 4 earthly kingdoms, eg, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greeks, and the Roman empires.

Dan.2:43, "...iron mixed wth earthly clay, so shall they be mixed together by the seed of men;..." I know this passage is difficult to grasp, however graspable sir. This commingling of the two materials is explained as involving that the two elements shall "be mixed together by the seed of men" sir.

My point: Roman stock and Germanic and other stock 'intermarried' - a melting-pot experiment - but the resultant stock was not the material that enduring empires are made of: "they shall not cleave together, the one to the other."

At least now we're in the ballpark, ie, "together."

Old Jack

 

[DaDad]

Hi shturt678,

I think we should backpeddle to the simple 4 earthly kingdoms, eg, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greeks, and the Roman empire.

Perhaps you would like to provide your premise in the Topic "Please HELP Dan. 2:45",
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/19847-please-help-dan-245/page-5.

This Topic was a request to resolve the Daniel 2:45 sequence Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,5,3,2,1 = FIVE, but apparently none of the responding participants in this Forum could resolve this simple sequence.

So instead of "backpeddling" perhaps you could peddle forward to verse 45, and provide the solution to that sequence.

Dan.2:43, "...iron mixed with earthly clay,

When you consider the historical significance of verse 45, you might arrive to the premise provided in #3.


1. The Feet of Clay is a separate and distinct KINGDOM:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...


2. The Feet of Clay is a DIVIDED kingdom:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...

Daniel Chapter 7
Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S
Bear, Russia
Leopard (actually a Tiger), China
"dreadful", United Nations


3. The Feet of Clay has a residue of IRON which is evident all three superpowers and most other governments in the world today:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...

... and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under GOD, indivisible, ...


With Best Regards,
DD


PS If you respond to this Daniel 2 FIFTH empire of Clay, please do so in the Topic: "Please HELP Dan. 2:45". Conversely, if you have a comment regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine, then please feel free to post those thoughts here.

 

[shturt678]

Hi shturt678,


Perhaps you would like to provide your premise in the Topic "Please HELP Dan. 2:45",
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/19847-please-help-dan-245/page-5.

This Topic was a request to resolve the Daniel 2:45 sequence Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,5,3,2,1 = FIVE, but apparently none of the responding participants in this Forum could resolve this simple sequence.

So instead of "backpeddling" perhaps you could peddle forward to verse 45, and provide the solution to that sequence.



When you consider the historical significance of verse 45, you might arrive to the premise provided in #3.


1. The Feet of Clay is a separate and distinct KINGDOM:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...


2. The Feet of Clay is a DIVIDED kingdom:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...

Daniel Chapter 7
Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S
Bear, Russia
Leopard (actually a Tiger), China
"dreadful", United Nations


3. The Feet of Clay has a residue of IRON which is evident all three superpowers and most other governments in the world today:

Dan. 2:41
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided ...

... and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under GOD, indivisible, ...


With Best Regards,
DD


PS If you respond to this Daniel 2 FIFTH empire of Clay, please do so in the Topic: "Please HELP Dan. 2:45". Conversely, if you have a comment regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine, then please feel free to post those thoughts here.

Thank you again for your response and caring + a head's up with the other thread!

As I said before regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine is only "1" effect of the preliminary miraculous judgments from heaven. I thimk we need to focus more on the "cause," and not so much on the "effects."

Old Jack's opinion

btw thank you again, ie, responded to the Dan.2:25 thread where we can agree to disagree of course.

 

[DaDad]

... I thimk we need to focus more on the "cause," and not so much on the "effects."

Hi shturt678,

Scripture says BOTH Scripture AND History are applicable:

Deut. 18:22
22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.



With Best Regards,
DD