st paul long after his conversion said he was the worst of sinners

[horsecamp]

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.


notice the present tense St paul uses,, Notice it is in his epistle to Timothy PROVING IT WAS LONG AFTER HIS CONVERSION TO FAITH IN JESUS .


one can not be the worst of sinners with out ever on purpose sinning now can they?

one can not say they believe the bible and then say but they dont believe paul was the worst of sinners while still being a christian



repentance was part of pauls "daily life" because he was the worst of sinners while on this earth ..

repentance is not just a one time deal when you come to faith in Jesus .. Christians are just as good at sinning as any one else..IN PAULS CASE HE CLAIMS HE WAS MUCH BETTER AT SINNING THAN THOSE WITH NO FAITH IN JESUS AT ALL ..

being the worst of sinners did not keep st paul out of heaven and it wont keep me or you out either ..

dis belief in Jesus AS YOUR ONLY SAVIOR FROM YOUR SINS KEEPS a person out of heaven..

WE ARE SAVED BY Gods grace alone through faith in Jesus..

we are not saved because we are sinless
or may or may not have time to repent of the last sin we do on earth


REPENT AND PRAY DAILY MY FRIENDS BECAUSE YOU TO JUST LIKE ME ARE MIGHTY SINNERS..

YET BECAUSE OF GODS GRACE OUR FAITH IN JESUS IS STRONGER STILL ..






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[HammerStone]

A good and true post horsecamp. God begins to work and sanctify us, but that does not mean we suddenly lose the ability to sin and become perfect people. Romans 7:13-24 details this struggle even though many try to write it off as something that took place prior to Paul's conversion. This is a daily struggle and a daily battle.

As Hebrews 9:22 states, there is no forgiveness without what Jesus did on the cross. He covers/blots out our sins. It doesn't mean that we become perfect creatures on our own, but instead we are sanctified over time and only through what He has done by bearing our sins on the cross and rising from the dead. We cannot do it on our own. A lot of better people than me have tried it and failed miserably. Only God alone.

Sola gratia. Sola fide. Solus Christus.

 

[IBeMe]

Utter silliness!

"... of whom G3739 I G1473 am G1510 chief G4413."

G1510
Original: εἰμί
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic: i-mee'
Strong's Definition: First person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, have been, X it is I, was.

What did Paul really say concerning his struggles with sin?

"And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men."

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[HammerStone]

"And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men."

Because of Jesus and his work, not the perfection of Paul.

 

[IBeMe]

Because Paul wasn't stupid.

He that committeth sin is of the devil...

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[Webers_Home]

He that committeth sin is of the devil.

1John 3:8 is a very popular proof text with the anti BAC faction; because
combined with the next verse: it's a very effective silver bullet.

†. 1 John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

According to those two verses, the author of the epistle of 1John was of
the Devil, and so were the people to whom he penned the letter.

†. 1 John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

Buen Camino
/

 

[IBeMe]

Webers_Home:
1John 3:8 is a very popular proof text among the anti BAC faction; because
combined with the next verse: it's a very effective silver bullet.

†. 1 John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

So; according to those two verses, the author of the epistle of 1John was of
the Devil.

†. 1 John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

Nah...

Unless we're on a fishing expedition ... we can find enough rope to hang ourselves.

1 John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

It doesn't mean it's impossible to sin, it means we don't sin because we're born again of the Spirit; we must not sin.

1 John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

Same message.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

After we've accepted Jesus, and have been forgiven: we can say we don't have sin.

Otherwise, it'd be a sin not to sin.

"He that committeth sin is of the devil."

Let's remember what Jesus told Peter, get the behind me Satan.

So, if we have fallen back into sin, we need to repent and stop.

"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

We want to make the final cut.

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[Webers_Home]

It doesn't mean it's impossible to sin, it means we don't sin because we're born again
of the Spirit; we must not sin.

You are at liberty to force the Bible to say whatever it is you wish to hear. I
yield to your right to construe the sacred texts to mean things other than
what they say in writing as much as you need to in order to support your
views. That's what everybody else does so why shouldn't you; right?
However, as for me, I am content to go along with the Bible's language and
grammar as-is. I don't need to spin it to support my views.

Above 44 years ago, when I was a young Bible student, I asked a church
elder for assistance with 1John 3:9 and he replied it means born-again
Christians sin from time to time; but not all the time. In other words: they
don't practice sin. I asked him if he was sure that's what it meant and he
replied: What else could it mean?

Well, the poor elder was prey to a kind of reasoning called an Argument
From Incredulity; which is logic that concludes that since one's own
imagination cannot think of an explanation; then there cannot be one. He
was also prey to another kind of reasoning called an Argument From
Projection; which is logic that concludes if one's self doesn't know
something, then nobody else knows it either.

Fortunately I met up with a very competent church pastor a few years later
who knew the correct application of that that verse; and I was greatly
relieved to find out that it means exactly what it says; word for word.

Buen Camino
/

 

[Dodo_David]

Nah...

Unless we're on a fishing expedition ... we can find enough rope to hang ourselves.


It doesn't mean it's impossible to sin, it means we don't sin because we're born again of the Spirit; we must not sin.



Same message.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

After we've accepted Jesus, and have been forgiven: we can say we don't have sin.

Otherwise, it'd be a sin not to sin.

"He that committeth sin is of the devil."

Let's remember what Jesus told Peter, get the behind me Satan.

So, if we have fallen back into sin, we need to repent and stop.

"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

We want to make the final cut.

.

Make the final cut? Are you saying that it's our behavior that determines whether or not we will go to Heaven?

 

[Episkopos]

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.


notice the present tense St paul uses,, Notice it is in his epistle to Timothy PROVING IT WAS LONG AFTER HIS CONVERSION TO FAITH IN JESUS .


one can not be the worst of sinners with out ever on purpose sinning now can they?

one can not say they believe the bible and then say but they dont believe paul was the worst of sinners while still being a christian



repentance was part of pauls "daily life" because he was the worst of sinners while on this earth ..

repentance is not just a one time deal when you come to faith in Jesus .. Christians are just as good at sinning as any one else..IN PAULS CASE HE CLAIMS HE WAS MUCH BETTER AT SINNING THAN THOSE WITH NO FAITH IN JESUS AT ALL ..

being the worst of sinners did not keep st paul out of heaven and it wont keep me or you out either ..

dis belief in Jesus AS YOUR ONLY SAVIOR FROM YOUR SINS KEEPS a person out of heaven..

WE ARE SAVED BY Gods grace alone through faith in Jesus..

we are not saved because we are sinless
or may or may not have time to repent of the last sin we do on earth


REPENT AND PRAY DAILY MY FRIENDS BECAUSE YOU TO JUST LIKE ME ARE MIGHTY SINNERS..

YET BECAUSE OF GODS GRACE OUR FAITH IN JESUS IS STRONGER STILL ..






..

1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Make the final cut? Are you saying that it's our behavior that determines whether or not we will go to Heaven?

We will all be judged by what we have done with what we have been given. Behaviour is the fruit we are producing.

 

[clark thompson]

On our on merit we can not stand, Paul knew this and knew apart from Christ he was the worst of all sinners but thru Jesus he became a faithful servant to the Lord.

 

[Dodo_David]

You are at liberty to force the Bible to say whatever it is you wish to hear. I
yield to your right to construe the sacred texts to mean things other than
what they say in writing as much as you need to in order to support your
views. That's what everybody else does so why shouldn't you; right?
However, as for me, I am content to go along with the Bible's language and
grammar as-is. I don't need to spin it to support my views.

Webers_Home, are you implying that you are the final earthly authority on how to properly interpret the Bible?

Are you implying that your interpretation of the Bible is the right interpretation and, thus, anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong?

 

[Elizabeth]

one can not say they believe the bible and then say but they dont believe paul was the worst of sinners while still being a christian

Yes, I believe the Bible. No, I don't believe St. Paul was the worst of sinners. Here's why. Let's look at St. Paul's words in 1 Tim. 1:15: "A faithful saying and worthy of all exception: That Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief."

This verse is one of humility. Who cannot here witness the sublime humility of St. Paul? God made him humble, yet ignorant of his humility. It was holy humility which moved St. Paul to say of himself: I am the worst of sinners. As pride blinds, so humility enlightens the understanding. St. Paul believed himself to be a mere nothingness, a greater sinner than all others, inferior to all others, worthy of being reviled by all as being, more than all others, ungrateful to God. If we are truly humble we should certainly truly believe as St. Paul did: I am the worst of sinners. For who is there, who, looking at himself as he truly is, does not believe himself to be the most ungrateful of sinners?

Humility alone grasps that simple truth, that from God alone comes all the good we possess and that no one has anything of his own except for his own malice. Acknowledging this truth, let each one humble himself before God and say with St. Paul: I am the worst of sinners.