Everyone Please try to stay on topic We are making a concerted effort to try keep threads on topic We have been very lax in letting threads go every which way and its hard for anyone to follow when threads are read later. People click on a topic to read that topic ...not everything under the sun you guys want to discuss ... We would appreciate all your cooperation in this .... If a topic leads to new question on another topic start a new thread on the new topic and we will discuss it there. Thanks