Step out on a limb...if you dare.

[domenic]

I would like to try a little something. Most members know scripture, but have they reasoned on them?
Why Jesus came to die as a human? He could have died as non-human? Why he had to be dead for three day? Why not two, or ten…why three?
This event was told by God in Genesis 3:15.
The why Jesus died as a human, and why he was dead for three days, has to do with what Satan did not do, as well as what he did do. Satan wanted Adam, and the women Dead. Why? Before Adam and the women took of the fruit, why did Satan not tell them to first eat of the tree of life?
The Garden in Genesis holds the key to what is really going on today.
Why would God make the yet unborn human family die for what Adam and the women did? Maybe it is not God who makes us die…if he wanted us to die, why would he send Jesus to save us? That makes no sense?
In Genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan about Satan having seed? Angels don’t have seed? After Adam was created, 1/3rd of the angels revolted…why?
　
There are many question that point to things that took place in the Garden that have not been addressed in the teaching of the Bible…why?
Anybody care to step out on a limb, and voice opinion?
Here are a few more bible facts:
Genesis 5. Cain and Able are not listed as children of Adam? After the event in the Garden, Adam is recorded as having his first child, Seth, over 100 years after the Garden event?
Adam named the women Eve after Cain was born. Eve means, “Giver of Life.” Which means, “The father position?
There are many trees in the Bible, all are symbolic. Why has man made the two trees in the Garden literal trees? Why are they not also symbolic?
Each of the things above are related, one to the other. Draw a line from dot, to dot, and there should be a clear picture.
How would you explain the events…without quoting scriptures…just explain in your own reasoning, what these event point to.

I know we are all Christians. Most of us don't agree on many things...for once, lets work together as a group. You might find it fun. on the other hand, you may not.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And you think most people on this board are off base concerning most scriptures?

 

[afaithfulone4u]

I would like to try a little something. Most members know scripture, but have they reasoned on them?
Why Jesus came to die as a human? He could have died as non-human? My Response Our sacrifice had to be human blood for human for God is Just and angels do not die.

Why he had to be dead for three day? Why not two, or ten…why three? My Response To fulfill prophecy when he said as Jonah was in the fish's belly for 3 days and night, Yet He was not in the tomb for 3 days & 3 nights he was tormented in hell for 3 days & 3 nights beginning from the time he was taken in the garden until he arose the morning of the seventh day Sabbath, just as the Passover Lamb had to be prepared on Friday before sunset, eaten Saturday Eve which is Friday after sundown and finished before morning which would have been Saturday. It never says he was in the grave 3 days, it says that from the time he is delivered into the hands of sinful man is crucified and at the end of 3 days, it does not say 3 days after he is crucified, we just assume it:
Luke 24:7
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
KJV


This event was told by God in Genesis 3:15.
The why Jesus died as a human, and why he was dead for three days, has to do with what Satan did not do, as well as what he did do. Satan wanted Adam, and the women Dead. Why? My Response because of jealousy, he wanted worship for himself.

Before Adam and the women took of the fruit, why did Satan not tell them to first eat of the tree of life?
My Response Eve thought the tree in the MIDST of the garden was the forbidden tree. She never calls the tree by name. Some will argue both trees were in the Midst of the garden but if that is so, why didn't Satan ask which TREE? Eve was deceived because she received the Word of God second hand from Adam.
The Garden in Genesis holds the key to what is really going on today.
Why would God make the yet unborn human family die for what Adam and the women did? Maybe it is not God who makes us die…if he wanted us to die, why would he send Jesus to save us? That makes no sense?
My Response because this is how God forms the angels in the image of Christ aka the Word of God.
Rom 8:19-23
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
KJV


In Genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan about Satan having seed? Angels don’t have seed?
My Response Angels do not have natural children this is true, but Satan does have spiritual children who are of his seed/word made in his beastly image of dog eat dog of an unclean spirit.
Just as Jesus is the Seed of God(until the Seed should come) and the Bible tells us the Seed is the Word. So in order to be a spiritual child of God we must have the Seed/Word of God indwelling us as His Spirit guides us by also indwelling us.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. {IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD}
KJV
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
KJV
1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
KJV
We must plant the Word of God into our hearts to become a child of God for Christ is His Seed and you can only do this by the Spirit of God living in you.



After Adam was created, 1/3rd of the angels revolted…why?
　
There are many question that point to things that took place in the Garden that have not been addressed in the teaching of the Bible…why?
Anybody care to step out on a limb, and voice opinion?
Here are a few more bible facts:
Genesis 5. Cain and Able are not listed as children of Adam? After the event in the Garden, Adam is recorded as having his first child, Seth, over 100 years after the Garden event?
My Response Cain and Abel were twins born in the same pregnancy being one good and one evil as the tree they ate of who is Satan, just as Christ who is the Word of God is the Tree of life. Adam was the first human being created before those in Gen 1:26 on the sixth day. Seth was in the image of Adam's fallen nature and Abel was dead and Cain was of the wicked one as we know. Cain and Able were conceived in the image of God knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
KJV



All men are of God, yet not all are God's children it is according to the spirit that you are led by and the words you receive into your heart. Fleshly beast nature men as Esau are not of God... But those who are not led of their animal nature but who are willing to wrestle all night long with God's Word like Jacob did are the children of God. You will notice that the 1st Adam in the generations of the heavens and earth in Gen 2 was created alone, before all trees plants and animals or Eve. Those created on the 6th day were created after all things and at the same time. Adam was male and female in attributes just as God is. God divided Adam's attributes to create Eve his BETTER half : ) That is why the two become one flesh.
Gen 4:26
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
KJV
Gen 5:3
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
KJV



Adam named the women Eve after Cain was born. Eve means, “Giver of Life.” Which means, “The father position?
My Response Because Eve represents The Woman/Jerusalem who is the mother of us and she has no literal children but spiritual children having the Spirit of God. Father, Word/Son and Holy Spirit are one God of male and female attributes yet considered male. That is why the Spirit is as a Dove for the Spirit is the female attributes of God who plants the Seed aka Christ the Word of God into our hearts forming us into the children of God. The Wisdom of God is also Gods Word and wisdom is called a SHE who was by His side at the creation of the world, yet the Word aka Jesus is who the Father uses to create all things because He speaks and His Word/Christ goes forth from the Father's mouth to accomplish the thing He sent His Word to do. God said: Let there be light and that Light was Jesus the living Word for the sun and moon were not created until the 4th day. All who have God's Spirit are called the living all other's are the DEAD.

There are many trees in the Bible, all are symbolic. Why has man made the two trees in the Garden literal trees? Why are they not also symbolic?

My Response Jesus is the Tree of Life being the Word of life and Satan is the tree who exalted himself to receive the worship to teach man how to look good outwardly when man is watching, but evil inwardly where God's eyes see their evil intensions.
Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.
KJV



Each of the things above are related, one to the other. Draw a line from dot, to dot, and there should be a clear picture.
How would you explain the events…without quoting scriptures…just explain in your own reasoning, what these event point to.

I know we are all Christians. Most of us don't agree on many things...for once, lets work together as a group. You might find it fun. on the other hand, you may not.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

I would like to try a little something. Most members know scripture, but have they reasoned on them?
Why Jesus came to die as a human? He could have died as non-human? Why he had to be dead for three day? Why not two, or ten…why three?
This event was told by God in Genesis 3:15.
The why Jesus died as a human, and why he was dead for three days, has to do with what Satan did not do, as well as what he did do. Satan wanted Adam, and the women Dead. Why? Before Adam and the women took of the fruit, why did Satan not tell them to first eat of the tree of life?
The Garden in Genesis holds the key to what is really going on today.
Why would God make the yet unborn human family die for what Adam and the women did? Maybe it is not God who makes us die…if he wanted us to die, why would he send Jesus to save us? That makes no sense?
In Genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan about Satan having seed? Angels don’t have seed? After Adam was created, 1/3rd of the angels revolted…why?
　
There are many question that point to things that took place in the Garden that have not been addressed in the teaching of the Bible…why?
Anybody care to step out on a limb, and voice opinion?
Here are a few more bible facts:
Genesis 5. Cain and Able are not listed as children of Adam? After the event in the Garden, Adam is recorded as having his first child, Seth, over 100 years after the Garden event?
Adam named the women Eve after Cain was born. Eve means, “Giver of Life.” Which means, “The father position?
There are many trees in the Bible, all are symbolic. Why has man made the two trees in the Garden literal trees? Why are they not also symbolic?
Each of the things above are related, one to the other. Draw a line from dot, to dot, and there should be a clear picture.
How would you explain the events…without quoting scriptures…just explain in your own reasoning, what these event point to.

I know we are all Christians. Most of us don't agree on many things...for once, lets work together as a group. You might find it fun. on the other hand, you may not.

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, ... . Heb 6:1

 

[aspen]

Why do people copy entire posts??

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why do people copy entire posts??

To annoy you and me.

 

[aspen]

Why does reality unfold as it unfolds? Because it unfolds the way it unfolds. God is not bound by time or prophecy or Satan or human sin.

i believe time is irrelevant - we are being born, living, dying, and standing before God at the Judgment at the same instant. I believe the meaning of life is to teach humanity the highest form of love - forgiveness, which is something we would have never understood prefall. Reality is God's explaination of forgiveness - God the Father can be seen as the mind of God; the Son - heart; the Holy Spirit - will.........acting all together in an instant Mind approaches humanity and explains the wrong committed against God - His Heart breaks on the cross for us and thereby reconciles us to Him; His Will teaches us how to respond towards Him and in the process transforms us into the lovers we were created to be.

 

[7angels]

i almost finished answering these questions when my computer crashed and i got irritated and now i am finally ready to try this again. :)

I would like to try a little something. Most members know scripture, but have they reasoned on them?
Why Jesus came to die as a human? He could have died as non-human?
according to revelations the father asked who could open the scroll and there was no one to do it except one which was Jesus. we can assume this because no one else spoke up not the angels, the Holy Spirit, the Father or anyone else. that scroll we know had conditions that had to of been met or that scroll would of stayed sealed forever. these conditions required a sacrifice fof their life for everyone else's life, also it required a second adam who was sinless because this adam needed to know what we are going through as humans so he can understand our suffering by suffering through everything we went through and still remain sinless. how fair would it be if Jesus came as God and could not be tempted by sin at all? how would it be fair to satan who owned the world to have God steal it back? so basically satan when he caused the downfall of man set the terms and conditions in order for the world to be regained by his own actions(i know this will cause a lot of contravercy because of how i tried to explain it but we will see).
Why he had to be dead for three day? Why not two, or ten…why three?
look within the bible and you will see that 3 is God's number. i encourage you to do a study on the number 3 because it is very interesting.
This event was told by God in Genesis 3:15.
The why Jesus died as a human, and why he was dead for three days, has to do with what Satan did not do, as well as what he did do. Satan wanted Adam, and the women Dead. Why?
satan wanted power and in order to get that power satan had to take control of the earth. earth was God's world but then God gave earth to man and man gave the earth to satan. satan was powerless then like he is now because of the sacrifice of Christ. but because mankind lost the earth through sin so the earth had to be redeemed by a person who did not sin.
Before Adam and the women took of the fruit, why did Satan not tell them to first eat of the tree of life?
it would not of mattered until they ate the fruit afterwards. if you think about it adam and eve probably were eating from the tree of life before they sinned but it still did not cause them to live forever.
The Garden in Genesis holds the key to what is really going on today.
Why would God make the yet unborn human family die for what Adam and the women did?
it was not for what eve did that caused the future generations to die but what adam did. the Word teaches that sin is passed through the man's seed not the woman's seed. even though eve was decieved it was because of adam who had dominion of the earth at that time and knew that what was happening was wrong still allowed it and even went along with it. even though eve sinned sin would not of killed the future generations had adam not followed suite.
Maybe it is not God who makes us die…if he wanted us to die, why would he send Jesus to save us? That makes no sense?
is dying a good thing? if not then it is not from God because according to the Word God only does Good things. it is sin that brought death upon us and sin came because of satan. but the Word teaches that God wanted relationship with us so much that he sacrificed his only Son to show us a way back to him.
In Genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan about Satan having seed? Angels don’t have seed? After Adam was created, 1/3rd of the angels revolted…why?
first off according to historical Jewish documents/books do teach that angels can reproduce. second satan's seed could also refer to spiritual children(this is what i believe is the case and point here).
i have found that gen 1:1 and gen 1:2 has a time gap to it and that the earth was destroyed and rebuilt again. if this is true then the angels that followed satan came to earth before the creation of mankind. there is scripture to back up my beliefs but to is too lengthy to get into it here.
　
There are many question that point to things that took place in the Garden that have not been addressed in the teaching of the Bible…why?
the bible is all about redemption. there are other things included within it but the main theme is Christ. just as you don't make a mystery novel into a romance novel is the same concept. there may be romance within a mystery novel but the main idea is that there is something that needs to be solved.
Anybody care to step out on a limb, and voice opinion?
Here are a few more bible facts:
Genesis 5. Cain and Able are not listed as children of Adam?
i could be mistaken but usually people who have no decendants are included within a line of lineage. it goes to the next person in line who has a lineage. caine because of his actions was probably kicked from the family because of his sinful actions.
After the event in the Garden, Adam is recorded as having his first child, Seth, over 100 years after the Garden event?
i see no question to answer here :)
Adam named the women Eve after Cain was born. Eve means, “Giver of Life.” Which means, “The father position?
if you look up the meaning of mother in scripture you will find that it refers to a similar meaning as father. just as father does not have to be biological so too can a male also represent a mother and vice versa.
There are many trees in the Bible, all are symbolic. Why has man made the two trees in the Garden literal trees? Why are they not also symbolic?
to claim that all trees in the bible are symbolic is poor understanding of scripture. because Jesus cursed a fig tree and that meaning is literal. understanding scripture is not easy which is why so many people misinterpret scripture. the stories in scripture are true but i also believe that many parts of scripture also have a spiritual truth underlying which is expressed through symbolism. this is especially true concerning the old testament.
Each of the things above are related, one to the other. Draw a line from dot, to dot, and there should be a clear picture.
How would you explain the events…without quoting scriptures…just explain in your own reasoning, what these event point to.
i believe everything within the bible shows Christ so i like to look and find where Christ is represented and how Christ is represented within scripture and in genesis cain represents satan(who is unrepentant) and able represents Christ(2nd adam) who did everything right and was killed. the decendants represent Godly men and women. genesis shows the new covenant in seed form. i like how all this was hidden until Christ died on the cross for me and then How the veil was lifted and the mysteries of God were seen from the beginning of time.
I know we are all Christians. Most of us don't agree on many things...for once, lets work together as a group. You might find it fun. on the other hand, you may not.

God bless