Synagogue of Satan!

[GracePeace]

To prevent us from going off the tracks, hyped with the base instinct of hatred, having, ostensibly, been given a green light for it, a clear target and outlet, we should notice that Jesus DOES NOT only identify the Judaism of that synagogue (Rv 2:9, 3:9) as "satan" (Dt 32:21 "they chose another god"--the multitude of idols they worshipped, and, later, after supposedly returning to God, from Whom their hearts remained afar off (Mt 15), are described as "a god", which is satan, or the devil), but also calls the worship of Zeus "the throne of satan" (Rv 2:13), and this other philosophy, or what ever He is identifying, "to those who have not known the deep things of satan, as they are called" (Rv 2:25).

ALL things religious outside of the Gospel are identified as "satan", not just Judaism.

Also, the reason the Jews in Jn 8 were called "sons of your father the devil" was because they did his works--murder--just as Cain was identified as being "of the evil one", because he was a murderer.

Just so that we all have a balanced view.

 

[Behold]

ALL things religious outside of the Gospel are identified as "satan", not just Judaism.

Judaism is not "satanic".......as Jesus was born under the very "Judiaism" Law that He had to keep.
So, if that was "satanic" He would not have done so.

"the Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus The Christ"....and He kept Moses Law.

Now, the issue with Judaiam, is.. we are in "the time of the Gentiles"........and so, Judaism is not how God has provided as the Way that a sinner can come to Him., ONCE THE Cross was Raised that began "the time of the gentiles".
And before the Cross was Raised it was only the House of Israel that were God's people.

Now all are invited to come to The Cross, and find Salvation.

Also, the reason the Jews in Jn 8 were called "sons of your father the devil"

Your verse defines everyone who is not a Christian.
As all are "of the devil, and the lusts of your Father, you shall do".

Being born again .Spiritually....is to change Spiritual Fathers, forever.

Unbelievers go to HELL< because Hell was created for their Spiritual Father........"Hell is created for the Devil", and "His angels", and it waits for everyone who is not born again by another Spiritual Father........The Father of Jesus.
All who are not born again by the Father of Jesus, remain "of the devil" and they go to the place after they die, that was created for THEIR Spiritual Father, because they are "of Him".

 

[GracePeace]

Judaism is not "satanic".......as Jesus was born under the very "Judiaism" Law that He had to keep.
So, if that was "satanic" He would not have done so.

"the Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus The Christ"....and He kept Moses Law.

Now, the issue with Judaiam, is.. we are in "the time of the Gentiles"........and so, Judaism is not how God has provided as the Way that a sinner can come to Him., ONCE THE Cross was Raised.
And before the Cross was Raised it was only the House of Israel that were God's people.

Now all are invited to come to The Cross, and find Salvation.



Your verse defines everyone who is not a Christian.
As all are "of the devil, and the lusts of your Father, you shall do".

Being born again .Spiritually....is to change Spiritual Fathers, forever.

Unbelievers go to HELL< because Hell was created for their Spiritual Father........"Hell is created for the Devil", and "His angels", and it waits for everyone who is not born again by another Spiritual Father........The Father of Jesus.

Jesus indicted the form of "Judaism" they practiced--the "Judaism" He is addressing in Revelation 2:9, 3:9--as false. If it is false "Judaism", then it is a lie. Is a lie, breaking God's commands, of God, or is it of satan?

Matthew 15
Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother is to [a]be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been [b]given to God,” 6 he is not to [c]honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you, by saying:
8 ‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
9 And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
10 After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand! 11 It is not what enters the mouth that defiles the person, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles the person.”
12 Then the disciples came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were [d]offended when they heard this statement?” 13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides [e]of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15 Peter [f]said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 [g]Jesus said, “Are you also still lacking in understanding? 17 Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is [h]eliminated? 18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and [i]slanderous statements. 20 These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”

If their form of "Judaism"--"they claim to be Jews, but lie, and are not"--is condemned as "drawing near with their lips, but their hearts are far away", and "in vain do they worship", "teaching doctrines of men as if they were God's commands", "blind leaders of the blind who fall into a pit", that produces converts "two times the sons of hell as yourselves", and which does not result in God's grace working God's works in their hearts, but in the evil one working his works of murder in their hearts (Jn 8), is that not of "satan"?

I can't understand how you could, in good faith, disagree with something so clear and basic as "the form of Judaism which those Jews practiced was of the evil one, satan--as all non-Christian religion is labeled, 'satan'."

 

[Behold]

I can't understand how you could, in good faith, disagree with something so clear and basic as "the form of Judaism which those Jews practiced was of the evil one, satan--as all non-Christian religion is labeled, 'satan'."

Their is one Judaism found in Israel, that is Hyper Religious.
Currently, Its the "Black coats".
Paul speaks about them, and says they are "Ignorant of God's Rightousness" "going about to establish their own".
And that is the same as you find with someone who believes they can "lose their salvation", and this is a Christian who is "fallen from Grace".

So, these Hyper Religious Jews worship Moses Law, same as you found in Jesus's day.
Paul did the same thing, as a ultra Pharisee, before He was converted to the Truth that is found "in Christ".

See, Religious Jews feel they are married to Moses Law.
And when you try to lead them to their Messiah, they feel that because Moses Law is their 1st Husband, then to join to Jesus is to commit spiritual adultery against Moses Law.
They dont understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law, that releases any Believer ......as """you are not under the law, but under GRACE"".
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[GracePeace]

Their is one Judaism found in Israel, that is Hyper Religious.
Currently, Its the "Black coats".
Paul speaks about them, and says they are "Ignorant of God's Rightousness" "going about to establish their own".
And that is the same as you find with someone who believes they can "lose their salvation", and this is a Christian who is "fallen from Grace".

So, these Hyper Religious Jews worship Moses Law, same as you found in Jesus's day.
Paul did the same thing, as a ultra Pharisee, before He was converted to the Truth that is found "in Christ".

See, Religious Jews feel they are married to Moses Law.
And when you try to lead them to their Messiah, they feel that because Moses Law is their 1st Husband, then to join to Jesus is to commit spiritual adultery against Moses Law.
They dont understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law, that releases any Believer ......as """you are not under the law, but under GRACE"".
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Yes, I don't understand how this disagrees with "the form of Judaism Jesus addresses in Rev 2:9, 3:9, is what Jesus calls 'satan', together with all religion that is outside the Gospel"--how you began by disagreeing with what I'd written. I have to go to dialysis now and I don't have my phone handy, so, God willing, we'll discuss later.

 

[Judas Thomas]

Without Judaism there is no Christianity.
Jesus Christ and all his disciples were Jews. The Jewish Bible, aka the old Testament is central to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ. Antisemitism or Antijudaism are certainly sins against God, who chose the Jewish people, as his people. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of Jewish prophecies. It was never Jews vs Jesus. Everyone in the new testament except for the Romans is Jewish. The good people and the bad people.

 

[GracePeace]

Without Judaism there is no Christianity.
Jesus Christ and all his disciples were Jews. The Jewish Bible, aka the old Testament is central to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ. Antisemitism or Antijudaism are certainly sins against God, who chose the Jewish people, as his people. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of Jewish prophecies. It was never Jews vs Jesus. Everyone in the new testament except for the Romans is Jewish. The good people and the bad people.

Irrelevant : the point of this thread is to make sure we don't get carried away, misunderstanding Jesus, pointing at the Jews--which trap some people have fallen in to--and to, instead, understand that Jesus calls ALL religion that is not THE GOSPEL (but a "true" form of Judaism--not the one referred to in this thread--would, indeed, lead to faith in Christ, as Paul says that the Scriptures are able to make one wise unto salvation which is through faith in Christ) is "satan", NOT JUST THIS FALSE FORM OF "JUDAISM". And all murderers, NOT JUST THE JEWS IN JOHN 8, are "sons of the devil", as, again, Cain was identified as one of his children BECAUSE HE WAS A MURDERER.

 

[Judas Thomas]

Irrelevant : the point of this thread is to make sure we don't get carried away, misunderstanding Jesus, pointing at the Jews--which trap some people have fallen in to--and to, instead, understand that Jesus calls ALL religion that is not THE GOSPEL (but a "true" form of Judaism--not the one referred to in this thread--would, indeed, lead to faith in Christ, as Paul says that the Scriptures are able to make one wise unto salvation which is through faith in Christ) is "satan", NOT JUST THIS FALSE FORM OF "JUDAISM". And all murderers, NOT JUST THE JEWS IN JOHN 8, are "sons of the devil", as, again, Cain was identified as one of his children BECAUSE HE WAS A MURDERER.

A religion cannot be Satan. So you fall for a typical theological trap, established by Catholic myths, that say Satan and Diabolus (the devil) are the same person.
They are not. haSatan (the accuser) is not evil at all. He is a servant of God, assigned of testing believers faith.
He tries to make us sin and accuses us before God for our sins.
If God is the judge, Satan ist his state attorney who wants us to be punished for failing to do God's will. The Devil however is a manifestation of a false God/false religions. With Jesus however, if you love him, you are already forgiven. He paid our price. For Jews the old law still counts. And like the book of Jonah and Jesus' syllable of the good Samaritan shows, it goes for all people, regardless of religion. God loves those who love him and do good deeds and he hates the evildoers.
Imagine a Jew with a clean heart, doing small sins like all people, but the good far outweights it. People that bring peace and love and respect God. They won't have eternal life, but God rewards them and they die happy, without further punishment.
Hell has been very mythologized in the middle ages. Look for difference cheol vs gehenna

 

[Truly]

A religion cannot be Satan. So you fall for a typical theological trap, established by Catholic myths, that say Satan and Diabolus (the devil) are the same person.

Shows they are the same here

Rev 12:5 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[GracePeace]

A religion cannot be Satan. So you fall for a typical theological trap, established by Catholic myths, that say Satan and Diabolus (the devil) are the same person.
They are not. haSatan (the accuser) is not evil at all. He is a servant of God, assigned of testing believers faith.
He tries to make us sin and accuses us before God for our sins.
If God is the judge, Satan ist his state attorney who wants us to be punished for failing to do God's will. The Devil however is a manifestation of a false God/false religions. With Jesus however, if you love him, you are already forgiven. He paid our price. For Jews the old law still counts. And like the book of Jonah and Jesus' syllable of the good Samaritan shows, it goes for all people, regardless of religion. God loves those who love him and do good deeds and he hates the evildoers.
Imagine a Jew with a clean heart, doing small sins like all people, but the good far outweights it. People that bring peace and love and respect God. They won't have eternal life, but God rewards them and they die happy, without further punishment.
Hell has been very mythologized in the middle ages. Look for difference cheol vs gehenna

The point is it isn't just Jews practicing that form of Judaism Christ indicts as "satan", but it is all religions outside Christianity--that we oughtn't get lop-sided, and identify "the Jews" as something that ALL aren't also identified as (as I've seen before).

 

[GracePeace]

Shows they are the same here

Rev 12:5 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Yup! It was a nit-picky point, beside the point of the post--people do that--but I'm glad you nipped it in the bud!

 

[Truly]

Yup! It was a nit-picky point, beside the point of the post--people do that--but I'm glad you nipped it in the bud!

I apparently didnt do that very well since he is on another thread trying to prove the same thing still, which was probably started because of the verse posted on this thread.

 

[GracePeace]

I apparently didnt do that very well since he is on another thread trying to prove the same thing still, which was probably started because of the verse posted on this thread.

I'm gonna put him on ignore if he makes trouble here.

 

[Judas Thomas]

I apparently didnt do that very well since he is on another thread trying to prove the same thing still, which was probably started because of the verse posted on this thread.

Nah I'm not discussing it over there. In general on the other post I wasn't so in on the calling Judaism satanic thing, that's dangerous territory. But just for the sake of it, let's say I accept Satan is the devil.
Satan ist still acting with God's approval cause Job says so. Let's take that as truth.
That means the devil, who is Satan has God's approval to rule the world and mislead people into worshipping him, while they believe in the same God that we do. So all suffering, all wars between religions would be part of a cosmic theater, written by God, millions of people dying and suffering just because God wants to test us?

 

[GracePeace]

Nah I'm not discussing it over there. In general on the other post I wasn't so in on the calling Judaism satanic thing, that's dangerous territory. But just for the sake of it, let's say I accept Satan is the devil.
Satan ist still acting with God's approval cause Job says so. Let's take that as truth.
That means the devil, who is Satan has God's approval to rule the world and mislead people into worshipping him, while they believe in the same God that we do. So all suffering, all wars between religions would be part of a cosmic theater, written by God, millions of people dying and suffering just because God wants to test us?

I think that is a good topic for a thread you can start for your own curiosity's sake--it is not the topic here.

Thanks

 

[Truly]

Satan ist still acting with God's approval cause Job says so.

You just seem a little shocked that Satan needs permission from God to try Job

It's the same sort of thing as with Simon

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat

I think you believe I do not understand this

 

[Truly]

I think that is a good topic for a thread you can start for your own curiosity's sake--it is not the topic here.

Thanks

(Sorry) I squeezed a comment in there

 

[Judas Thomas]

You just seem a little shocked that Satan needs permission from God to try Job

It's the same sort of thing as with Simon

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat

I think you believe I do not understand this

Eh no. Satan testing us is quite normal, so him having approval to do that, is not the problem. The whole destroying the world stuff is morally a bit more challenging, when orchestrated by God, instead of the devil being an independent figure doing it against God's will.

 

[GracePeace]

(Sorry) I squeezed a comment in there

Yeah, I understand, I just don't want this guy turning a tangential into the topic--especially because he seems to have a lot of thoughts about it, which he apparently wants to hash out, and, so, it isn't going to be resolved quickly.

 

[Truly]

Yeah, I understand, I just don't want this guy turning a tangential into the topic--especially because he seems to have a lot of thoughts about it, which he wants to hash out, and, so, it isn't going to be resolved quickly.

Its definately gonna take some time, I hear you lol!