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[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you Marks! I am sure Eternally will arrive at the same conclusion.

How do you know he has not?

Man you have some pride you need to get rid of.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And in all the apostles preaching, some did believe the message.
From your perspective they were the ones in control of making that choice.
The perspective of scripture and God is different than that of men.

Acts 13
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

God since the beginning of time, has demanded we make a decision. The gospel itself forces all men to make a decision.

Chose this day who you will follow

behold I stand at the door and knock,

Even Cain, He offered him forgiveness. Sin stands at the door. and wants you. He said he should rule over it (choice)

Jonah, God did not remove his free will. Now he did put roadblocks in his way to help him chose to make the right choice. But Jonah still was required to chose to go to ninevah, God did not force him

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Christian faith and hope holds no victory - that is the problem @marks ... what I mean by this is you assign a victory in Christ but you dont actually know what that victory was.

Have you been hanging around rita to much. You sound alot like her.. You make silly accusations, not based on fact. but based on your perception or what you think we should see.

Why would you act in this way?

Here is the problem marks.

If the "law of sin and death" was not removed in Christ then it cannot be removed in you.

Christ destroyed the law of sin and death. DO you understand what this means?

The law of sin and death had no power over Christ. Because Christ did not sin. Christ was innocent. Christ could come to Gods presence at any moment, because he was not in Adam, He was no in sinful flesh, He was not condemned by the law.

Can you explain redemption?

“Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Co 15:54–57.

If you fully understood those red highlighted words, ALL Scripture could be revealed to you! But you choose to deny the Power of the Victory in Christ for another doctrine which has now power.

I think he does understand it. I think you on the other hand, may not?

If you understood the Law of this you could also understand why Christ was raised up in your flesh.

It does not appear you understand the law. Can you explain it to us?

Further more, if your Christ was not Victoriously redeemed by God, then you cannot be!

F2F

Christ was not redeemed by God. Christ redeemed us to God..

Do you understand the difference?

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.

The “things of the Spirit” are those things that belong to God, such as the kingdom of God, the Son of God, the word of God, the truth of God, and the will of God. We who are “according to the Spirit” have a totally different mindset than those who are of the flesh. We see the world different and have different affections and desires. The contrast could not be any greater. Previously, we desired the things of the flesh, now we desire the things of the Spirit.



To become a Christian is to be moved from the first realm into the second realm. We no longer live in the old realm. We cannot have one foot in and one foot out. We cannot live according to the flesh Monday through Saturday, and then live according to the Spirit on Sunday. When you are born again, you are completely uprooted and replanted in this totally new realm, the realm of the Spirit. You now have the mind of Christ with a totally new worldview and perspective on life. You now see with a divine and eternal perspective. It brings about a radical change in your life.



The two realms are totally different and you cannot live in both at the same time. You entered the world in one realm, but upon salvation, you were transferred to the other realm, the realm of the Spirit. Your mind was once set on the things of the flesh, but now it is set on the things of the Spirit. The two mindsets are completely different.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No I do not argue for the sake of arguing.

I said I could not say for sure and gave biblical verses as to why I cannot say definitively.

I do not target babies. I speak to issues that come up on threads. I didn't start this whole baby thing.

But bye-bye then.

For the record, especially if Rella and blessed peace are watching:

If I had my way according to my emotions th efollowing would happen

1. all babies would be saved.
2. those who never heard the gospel would have a chance to be saved
3. Those sent to hell would have a chance after a time frame to repent and be saved.

But God works according to His Will and not my emotions! So no matter how I feel or think, I must depend on what god has written for teh truth, even if it is a hard saying.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did he conceive himself?

No, it is not defiled. The nature of man does not cause him to commit acts of sin. The nature of man as God created him allows him to sin. But it is mans choice to sin.

that is snot true. You have it exactly backward. Men are lost because they have sinned. The wages of sin is death. That is spiritual death. "Death spread to all men because all sinned-- "

There is not a single sentence in the Bible that says that man is born condemned.

Ephesians 2:3

King James Version

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3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

[marks]

Don't start thinking God has hope in the sense we have hope in something.

I don't think that way, no.

By the way, I've read a number of your posts, and while I disagree with you, I commend you in how you write and express yourself!

Much love!

 

[marks]

what I mean by this is you assign a victory in Christ but you dont actually know what that victory was.

Speak for yourself.

Much love!

 

[JBO]

Ephesians 2:3​

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King James Version​

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3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Almost universally, the male of the human species is polygamous by nature. And that, whether you like it or not, is how God created it. Thankfully, God does not hold us accountable for being polygamous by nature; rather He holds of accountable only if we commit polygamy.

 

[marks]

Paul makes it clear Christ came in condemned nature - you can't refute this its a hopeless cause!

So it seems you are answering in spite of yourself, that Jesus was in sinful flesh. Is that a yes, this is what you believe?

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you fully understood those red highlighted words, ALL Scripture could be revealed to you! But you choose to deny the Power of the Victory in Christ for another doctrine which has now power.

"If you'd accept what I'm saying, you won't be self-deluded!"

Emptiness.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Why do you instead of talking like a humble servant, need to talk like others in a proud way as if you have the gospel truth, and everyone needs to listen to you.

While he proclaims a sinful Christ. Bleck!!

Much love!

 

[BlessedPeace]

Commentary.

The “things of the Spirit” are those things that belong to God, such as the kingdom of God, the Son of God, the word of God, the truth of God, and the will of God. We who are “according to the Spirit” have a totally different mindset than those who are of the flesh. We see the world different and have different affections and desires. The contrast could not be any greater. Previously, we desired the things of the flesh, now we desire the things of the Spirit.



To become a Christian is to be moved from the first realm into the second realm. We no longer live in the old realm. We cannot have one foot in and one foot out. We cannot live according to the flesh Monday through Saturday, and then live according to the Spirit on Sunday. When you are born again, you are completely uprooted and replanted in this totally new realm, the realm of the Spirit. You now have the mind of Christ with a totally new worldview and perspective on life. You now see with a divine and eternal perspective. It brings about a radical change in your life.



The two realms are totally different and you cannot live in both at the same time. You entered the world in one realm, but upon salvation, you were transferred to the other realm, the realm of the Spirit. Your mind was once set on the things of the flesh, but now it is set on the things of the Spirit. The two mindsets are completely different.

Beware the mockers of these Truths from the Word when they also appear in the word of God.

Bible Idolaters believe in the print on the page and that manifests in their imagination,God.

Whereas The Most High in that word tells us He is not found in temples built by human hands. Acts7:48.
Yet some think Him confined to leaves in a book.

Don't worry about those who criticize your relationship with the spirit. They can't know what you and others do.

 

[Ritajanice]

Beware the mockers of these Truths from the Word when they also appear in the word of God.

Bible Idolaters believe in the print on the page and that manifests in their imagination,God.

Whereas The Most High in that word tells us He is not found in temples built by human hands. Acts7:48.
Yet some think Him confined to leaves in a book.

Don't worry about those who criticize your relationship with the spirit. They can't know what you and others do.

Excellent post Sis...Amen!!..

 

[face2face]

Speak for yourself.

Much love!

I think you are starting to understand the point Marks but you are hesitant to open that door publicly.
F2F

 

[face2face]

So it seems you are answering in spite of yourself, that Jesus was in sinful flesh. Is that a yes, this is what you believe?

Much love!

Marks, what you are doing is trying to come at this from a position of strenght, however we both know you cannot. Not once have you spoken to the text, not once. Again, you can see Pauls teaching on this and the reality of it scares you. This is why its best to teach these truths in person as the realisation that your foundation is false can bring you completely undone, no different to Saul on the road to Damascus! If you need to PM me anytime feel free.

F2F

 

[face2face]

"If you'd accept what I'm saying, you won't be self-deluded!"

Emptiness.

Much love!

Again, no insights from the Word only emptiness - sad place to arrive at Marks. There is always time for you to pray, study and meditate.

I'll leave you something to think on.

What does Paul go to such great lengths to teach you Christ's nature is the same as yours? Where in the Word does Paul teach otherwise?

Once this is accepted you then need to understand why! Why was it essential God raise up a man in the line of Adam? Why is he called the Second ADAM! Why, is he like you in every respect? Why was him being in the Line of Adam the prerequisite of him becoming your High Priest? Why was it important God test His Son in every way before offering him as a sacrifice for sin?

I know you can't answer and I'm sorry you can't.

Peace be with you

F2F

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I also hang on God’s Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit to bring the written word to my understanding in my spirit as I am Gods spirit child.

This is phrased i a very dangerous way! If by that you mean the Spirit teaxhes you ato accept Gods word as written that is fine. But if you mean like legions do that what is written is not what is literally meant- that is very very dangerous ground.

And of course I am not referring to the passages that are clearly and openly written as parables, visions and apocryphal symbols.

 

[Ritajanice]

! If by that you mean the Spirit teaxhes you ato accept Gods word as written that is fine

I meant this way my friend.

Thanks for the warning though..much appreciated.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I meant this way my friend.

Thanks for the warning though..much appreciated.

Sadly with all the corruption that has flooded the body of Christ, there are at times we have to search out a persons meaning!