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Ten arguments for intelligent design

Discussion in 'Christianity & Science Forum' started by rockytopva, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. rockytopva

    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    The specifics of creation....

    1. The human brain contains 100 billion brain cells
    2. The mysteries of warmth (E) and radiation (c2) in mass, the mind, and the heart.
    3. The mysteries of organic chemistry and its workings in animals.
    4. The brain has top priority for blood, just like RAM memory needs electricity in a computer.
    5. The blood needs to be cleansed by organs like the liver and kidneys so glucose and oxygen can keep the brain going. Loose the liver and kidneys and you will get very sick real fast.
    6. The eyes need to stay clear. Tears need to secrete via the lacrimal gland a clear lubricating chemistry to the eye. The eye needs the desired image to arrive at the correct place so the retina can process the image in full color to the brain.
    7. The body needs to regulate the correct levels of glucose and oxygen at the correct temperature. Too much or too little sugar can quickly destroy the human organs causing all kinds of problems, including blindness. The pancreas has two main functions: an exocrine function that helps in digestion and an endocrine function that regulates blood sugar.
    8. The body needs a male sperm to connect with a female egg to reform the human in a womb and put all these complexities together again.
    9. Putting everything together and the human body contains about 40 trillion living cells, all with some kind of function to contribute to a healthy human body.
    10. All these cells need the correct chemistry from planet earth to stay alive.

    All of which came together by intelligent design.
     
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    You mean God created us.
     
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    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    The brain has comparable storage to a 100 gigabyte hard drive. Today's hard drives are in measured in terabytes. A terabyte is 10 times the 100 gigabyte. If the human brain acts more like RAM memory, most computers contain about 10 gigabytes RAM, or a tenth of the brains compatible storage.

    I would say, then, that the brain is comparable to the modern computer and behaves more like RAM memory than the hard drive. The RAM memory needs electricity for it to stay alive, and the human brain needs its "electricity" (from glucose and oxygen) for it to stay alive. The RAM memory looses its mind very quick without electricity, the brain will stay a live a little longer, but not by much.
     
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    The body needs a clean blood supply with the correct sugar levels to keep 40 billion cells alive. Which caused God to declare in the very long ago (1300 BC) and to an ancient people, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood" - Leviticus 17

    And...

    For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. - Leviticus 17:11

    Which causes we Christians to cry...

    Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift. - 2 Corinthians 9:15

    Thank God for Jesus
     
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    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    So... What instigated this thread?

    I have just returned from vacation where I spent time at Dollywood's Splash Country and then drove south to a Camp meeting there in Georgia. The first day in Gatlinburg went good. The next day caused a severe dry eye and skin rash. I am a Lab Technician who has worked with all kinds of chemistry, worked with all kinds of calculations, plated with all kinds of elements, and have treated waste water with all kinds of chemicals. I have broken the CN bond with chlorine so it makes CO2 and NO2 and makes the waters acceptable to the environment.

    So... What irritated my skin and eyes? I have a Jacuzzi that I maintain with bromine and have never experienced rash because of it. In research the problem must have been the reactions of urea (pee) and chlorine. The lazy river there was very crowded during Fourth of July week and I can imagine the urea (CO(NH2)2) and Chlorine (Cl) reacting for form....

    Cyanogen Chloride (CNCl) is a highly toxic blood agent that causes immediate injury upon contact with the eyes or respiratory organs.
    Trichloramine (NCl) is a toxic, explosive, nasty-smelling oily liquid

    And bacteria that the Cl has not yet reacted with. Not to mention other compounds the Cl may have formed. Just by staying out of the public pools have caused my skin to totally heal up. After this ordeal I am now very skeptical of the chemistry that may be in public pools.

    Why the use of Nitrogen? It appears that Nitrogen helps the process of photosynthesis along. I have read that more than 90% of world industrial production of urea is destined for use as a nitrogen-release fertilizer. Urea has the highest nitrogen content of all solid nitrogenous fertilizers in common use. Therefore, it has the lowest transportation costs per unit of nitrogen nutrient. To make homemade fertilizer just mix urine into a compost pile and you will be good to go.

    After researching my diaper rash I had to delve into the mysteries and workings of Nitrogen, Carbon, Oxygen, Chlorine, and Hydrogen... Their reactions on this planet, and how the body deals with them. This tread came as a result of these studies... All because of what was probably kids peeing in the pool!
     
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    That's keeping it short and sweet.
     
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    Also to note, while on vacation, was on how unhealthy so many people looked. This also has caused me to look into the overall health of cells and how the organs such as the kidneys cleanse the blood to make the overall body healthy. I have also read an article on what foods to avoid for the good of the kidneys and liver....

    1. Red meats
    2. Alcohol
    3. Sodium
    4. Caffeine
    5. Sodas and energy drinks
    6. Artificial Sweeteners
    7. Dairy
    8. Non-organic foods
    9. Acetaminophen - Tylenol and other drugs can have toxic effects!

    My thoughts after reading this article were... What's left? There are a lot of things out there toxic to the human body!
     
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    Dairy products have been getting a bad rap unnecessarily. The Lord said that the Promised Land would be a land of milk and honey. So God has given His approval to dairy products and what we hear today is a lot of baloney.
     
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    I heard coffee is antioxidant and good for you, I love steak but have cut back on it big time. Unfortunately I have to take medication.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Stephen Meyers was my philosophy teacher. Too bad he ended up leaving Whitworth and getting involved in the politics of intelligent design in the classroom
     
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    There are a lot of brain cells...

    Are There Really as Many Neurons in the Human Brain as Stars in the Milky Way? | Brain Metrics | Learn Science at Scitable

    I have not thoroughly read my reference, apologies....

    When a clot blocks your artery at the start of a stroke, the damage is swift. Consider what happens next:
    • Every second, 32,000 neurons -- brain cells -- die; that's 1.9 million in a minute.
    • In that same minute, your brain loses 14 billion synapses, the vital intersections between neurons.
    • Also lost in that minute are 7.5 miles of myelinated fibers through which thoughts pass.
    My references were in case of a stroke, in which I overlooked. In reality the numbers are more like 10,000 a day if you take care of yourself.... and 300,000 a day if you don’t take care of yourself. The effects of your lifestyle have a great impact here.
    https://www.quora.com/How-many-neurons-in-our-brains-die-every-day
     
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    Oh my!
    I like him a lot.
    I've tried to post him in science discussions but they blow him off by saying he's ONLY a mathematician!

    As if MATH was not part of God's design!!

     
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    Was he also a mathematician?
    Is it the guy I posted from YouTube?
     
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    Due to my errors here I had to rewrite the OP. The specifics of creation....

    1. The human brain contains 100 billion brain cells
    2. The mysteries of warmth (E) and radiation (c2) in mass, the mind, and the heart.
    3. The mysteries of organic chemistry and its workings in animals.
    4. The brain has top priority for blood, just like RAM memory needs electricity in a computer.
    5. The blood needs to be cleansed by organs like the liver and kidneys so glucose and oxygen can keep the brain going. Loose the liver and kidneys and you will get very sick real fast.
    6. The eyes need to stay clear. Tears need to secrete via the lacrimal gland a clear lubricating chemistry to the eye. The eye needs the desired image to arrive at the correct place so the retina can process the image in full color to the brain.
    7. The body needs to regulate the correct levels of glucose and oxygen at the correct temperature. Too much or too little sugar can quickly destroy the human organs causing all kinds of problems, including blindness. The pancreas has two main functions: an exocrine function that helps in digestion and an endocrine function that regulates blood sugar.
    8. The body needs a male sperm to connect with a female egg to reform the human in a womb and put all these complexities together again.
    9. Putting everything together and the human body contains about 40 trillion living cells, all with some kind of function to contribute to a healthy human body.
    10. All these cells need the correct chemistry from planet earth to stay alive.

    All of which came together by intelligent design.
     
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    Being ignorant of biology is a disadvantage when speaking of biology, yes. If he was speaking of math, that would be different.

    "Design" is what limited creatures do. But God creates, which is something very different. He has no need to figure out things, being omniscient.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    He was my philosophy teacher at my undergraduate university
    I was sorry to see him leave for the discovery institute.
    I was frustrated when his article on intelligent design was accepted by a scientific journal
    I was more frustrated when I found out that the article was only accepted because of a personal connection he had with the editor.
     
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    The person I was speaking of is a scientist.
    A born again one that defends our faith.
    Math did not come about by chance...it had to have an intelligent designer.

    An intelligent designer, is science lingo, means God.
    They just hate to call it that.
     
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    Of course...why else would it be chosen??
    All these ID scientists are fighting an uphill battle...God bless them.
    Yes, I could understand that he was a great teacher...
    But they need him at the Discovery Institute too.
    The Dawkins crowd needs someone to stand up to them.
     
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    He's a mathematician. Apparently lacking faith in a Creator, so he's willing to settle for what his fellow IDers say "might be a space alien."

    He can believe in a space alien if he wants. My faith is in a Creator, not a mere "designer."

    Many intelligent designers. Eucilid, Pythagoras, Archmimedes, Zeno, ... al-Khwarizmi, Newton, ...

    An intelligent designer is a limited creature who must figure things out. God is the omniscient Creator. In science, "intelligent design" means "unorthodox religious belief." The Wedge Document, inadvertently leaked by the Discovery Institute, makes that clear. It's worship of their "space alien."

    They just hate to call it that.
     
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    I never heard this group talk about aliens.
    Could you post a link to the Wedge Document?


    Following is James Tour....a Chemist.


     
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