The 1000 year Millennium from the Bible

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Dear Hobie,

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.

Paul explained further by saying that spiritual words have meanings that are different than what man's wisdom teaches:

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Holy Spirit teaches to understand the meanings of spirit words by "comparing spiritual things (words) with spiritual".

Isaiah's prophecy also says that when Christ comes, He will speak in "another language".

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

When Christ came, He utilized the Hebrew language when He spoke BUT He was actually speaking in His spiritual language. The Hebrew words He spoke carried different meanings. He did that so that no one but the Elect who have "eyes that can see" will understand His messages of truth.

Paul also said this:

1Cor 2:6-7 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (the Elect): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 8 BUT WE SPEAK THE WISDOM OF GOD IN A MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The truth of God is presented in the form of a "mystery" because it is in Christ's spiritual language. Unless you can understand this language, the truth of God will remained concealed.

Hobie, you should not be so quick to dismiss what Christ, Paul and Isaiah said.

Joe
If God spiritualized all His words in the Bible, then no one could read or understand, and thats not His purpose.
 

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The words are clear, look how it all comes together:
John 5:28-29 - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So we see this occur when Christ returns; the righteous dead and living are called up in glorified bodies to meet Christ in the air to get our reward (eternal life) and the wicked dead stay in the graves and the wicked alive are slain at Christ's return (remember, there are two resurrections just as John 5:28-29, Daniel12:2 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states).
The alive wicked are slain by the Word of God and Satan is bound for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:2 & 3). After 1,000 years (known to some as the Millennium, see Rev 20:2-7) the righteous (saints) return to earth with Jesus and the wicked are resurrected in order to receive their judgment.
THAT is when the lake of fire is created and the wicked, along with Satan and with their sin, are destroyed for eternity (*see Rev 19:20 & Rev 20:10-15)
Then, and only then, is the new earth created for us for all eternity just as God's plan originally meant for it to be (*see Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, 2 Peter 3:13, and Revelation 21:1).
 

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THAT is when the lake of fire is created and the wicked, along with Satan and with their sin, are destroyed for eternity (*see Rev 19:20 & Rev 20:10-15)
Incorrect. The lake of fire exists at the end of the Great Tribulation. The Beast (Antichrist) and the False Prophet its first two occupants - thrown in when Christ returns to begin His rule. Satan joins them 1000 years later after his rebellion is crushed at the end of the Millennium, and the rest are after the White Throne Judgment.
 
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If God spiritualized all His words in the Bible, then no one could read or understand, and thats not His purpose.
Dear Hobie,
Scripture says that God only reveals Christ (who is Truth) to the Elect and to no one else. You are basing your understanding on what has been taught to you in the apostate church and not on what is taught in God's Word.

The apostate church teaches that it is up to mankind to decide to accept Christ or not. And because a person's decision must be based on a certain level of knowledge concerning Christ, they teach that scripture is easy to understand. After all, why would God condemn a person to hell for eternity if Christ does give them a fair opportunity to know Him and accept Him?

However, none of those beliefs are actually taught by scripture.

Firstly, mankind has NO ability to accept Christ without Christ first giving a person the Early Rain of the Spirit. Christ does this work strictly by His own decision to do so. Unless Christ does this work, a person will continue to reject Christ until they die.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after
God.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.


Secondly, even for those who have been called out and have been given a "measure of faith" (the Early Rain), they still have NO ability to truly understand Christ from scripture. They remain carnal in their understanding and because of such, they will quickly be deceived by Satan via "another spirit" (the spirit of anti-Christ). As a result, they will accept "another Jesus" and "another gospel".

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Satan's gospel is very deceptive because it is pleasing to mankind's carnal nature. When Satan's gospel is presented to a carnally minded believer, they accept it without question because it seems so right to them. When they do, the lose their salvation and spiritually die.

Prov 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Thirdly, Christ loves all mankind and will (at a time of His choosing) save each and every person who has ever lived. Eternal hell is a lie from Satan. In this age, Christ is only saving those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. No one else will be saved during this age. This age is for the harvesting of only the First Fruits of the harvest. Christ makes this happen by only giving the Latter Rain of the Spirit (and eyes that can see) to His Elect. Without "eyes that can see", a person cannot know Christ (truth) so that they can come out from the deceptions of Satan.

Read this scripture again:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

To whom does God teach knowledge? And to whom does He make to understand doctrine?

God does not teach knowledge or His doctrines to anyone except the believers who have been "weaned from the milk". These believers are the Elect after they have been converted. They are the "few" who have been called out and chosen. They have received BOTH the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit.

And to make it even harder for a carnally minded believer to understand His truth, the truth of God is taught in "another language" (spiritual language). In that language, truth is given "precept upon precept and line upon line; here a little and there a little". God does not lay out His truth in a simple and easy way to understand. It must be assembled and it must start at the foundation (Christ). Then, as a converted believer grows in knowledge, they will be able to add more and more truth to what have have already been shown.

Understanding truth (even for a converted believer) does not come quickly or easily:

Prov 2:1 My son (a converted believer who is a child of God), if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, 2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; 3 yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for HIDDEN treasures, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

Isaiah ends his comments by giving us the reason as to why God does it this way. Isaiah says that God keeps His truth concealed so that a called out believer (Early Rain only) will fall backward (same as falling away), and be broken (lose their salvation), and snared and taken (by Satan). When this happens to a called out believer, they will experience their Day of Evil because they do not yet have the whole armor of God that is only given to them with the Latter Rain of the Spirit:

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Even God's Elect will experience this Day of Evil until Christ comes to them a second time and gives them the Latter Rain.

All mankind will eventually experience this "Day of Evil", too, because it is a step along the pathway that leads to Christ and salvation.

Scripture says that God gives mankind this Day of Evil to humble them:

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

After I received the Latter Rain and saw the "Abomination of Desolation" that had happened within me, I, too, was very humbled.

Hobie, will you continue to believe the false teachings of the apostate church or will you accept what Christ teaches us through scripture?

Remember, God's ways are not man's ways. If they were, then this carnal world would know Him.

Joe
 
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Incorrect. The lake of fire exists at the end of the Great Tribulation. The Beast (Antichrist) and the False Prophet its first two occupants - thrown in when Christ returns to begin His rule. Satan joins them 1000 years later after his rebellion is crushed at the end of the Millennium, and the rest are after the White Throne Judgment.

Incorrect?? you claimed, well, it seems that you are just as deluded as many others on this forum.

How can I make this claim? The beast and the False Prophet as well as the Locusts all rise up out of the Bottomless pit after it has been unlocked with Satan to overpower God's Everlasting Kingdom during the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age. This can be clearly determined from the Book of Revelation for those with eyes to see and ears to hear what is being prophesied in that Book.

Oh well, such is the delusion of life focusing on the wrong source for our understanding.
 

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Incorrect?? you claimed, well, it seems that you are just as deluded as many others on this forum.

How can I make this claim? The beast and the False Prophet as well as the Locusts all rise up out of the Bottomless pit after it has been unlocked with Satan to overpower God's Everlasting Kingdom during the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age. This can be clearly determined from the Book of Revelation for those with eyes to see and ears to hear what is being prophesied in that Book.

Oh well, such is the delusion of life focusing on the wrong source for our understanding.
Revelation 19:19-20
19 I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:7-10

The Judgment of Satan​

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Doesn't get any plainer than that. Might want to get those eyes to see checked.
 
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Revelation 19:19-20
19 I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:7-10

The Judgment of Satan​

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Doesn't get any plainer than that. Might want to get those eyes to see checked.
That is very clear .
 

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Doesn't get any plainer than that. Might want to get those eyes to see checked.

Perhaps Rev clarifies that the beast rises up out of the Abyss/Bottomless Pit

8The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.

Perhaps Rev clarifies that the beast/The Fales Prophet rises up out of the Abyss/Bottomless Pit

11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. 12And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.

The proposition that you presented did not take these passages into account to arrive at the right conclusion.
 
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That is very clear .

Does my rebuttal post quoting scripture get the same acknowledgement as the one quoted given for a post that had been based on the wrong scriptural understanding.

Just wondering?
 

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Incorrect. The lake of fire exists at the end of the Great Tribulation. The Beast (Antichrist) and the False Prophet its first two occupants - thrown in when Christ returns to begin His rule. Satan joins them 1000 years later after his rebellion is crushed at the end of the Millennium, and the rest are after the White Throne Judgment.

Where I posted this comment: -

Incorrect?? you claimed, well, it seems that you are just as deluded as many others on this forum.

How can I make this claim? The beast and the False Prophet as well as the Locusts all rise up out of the Bottomless pit after it has been unlocked with Satan to overpower God's Everlasting Kingdom during the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age. This can be clearly determined from the Book of Revelation for those with eyes to see and ears to hear what is being prophesied in that Book.

And you responded with: -

Revelation 19:19-20
19 I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:7-10

The Judgment of Satan​

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Doesn't get any plainer than that. Might want to get those eyes to see checked.

To which I then responded to back with: -

Perhaps Rev clarifies that the beast rises up out of the Abyss/Bottomless Pit

8The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.

Perhaps Rev clarifies that the beast/The Fales Prophet rises up out of the Abyss/Bottomless Pit

11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. 12And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.

The proposition that you presented did not take these passages into account to arrive at the right conclusion.

Are you going to post a correction for the above posts where your conclusion is so wrong?