The 144,000 before God at the end.

[The Light]

For some having a Pre-rapture rapture (a Pre-ttrib rapture) is only about winning a debate. It's not about the Word of Truth.

The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture. The Word says there is a post tribulation rapture. Then the Lord returns with the armies of heaven after the marriage supper.

You see none of this. It's all rolled into one fairytale for those that think they have replaced Israel.

 

[ewq1938]

The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture.

No, it doesn't. Not one time is the rapture spoken of or described to be before the trib starts. It's always after the trib has ended. There are not 2 end times raptures of the saints either.

 

[covenantee]

The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture. The Word says there is a post tribulation rapture. Then the Lord returns with the armies of heaven after the marriage supper.

You see none of this. It's all rolled into one fairytale for those that think they have replaced Israel.

The DNA of a Jew before he receives Christ, and his DNA after he receives Christ and is added to the Church; is unchanged.

His DNA is not replaced by the Church.

Your claim is an absurd fallacy.

 

[rwb]

The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture. The Word says there is a post tribulation rapture. Then the Lord returns with the armies of heaven after the marriage supper.

You see none of this. It's all rolled into one fairytale for those that think they have replaced Israel.

Actually what I find written is that there is a first resurrection of the spiritually dead to spiritual life in this age. Then when this age comes to an end when the last trumpet sounds there will be both a physical resurrection of ALL who are dead, and the saints alive at that time will be caught up immortal & incorruptible to meet the Lord in the air. The saints shall be with the Lord until the wrath of God coming against this earth and whosoever is left on it over. Then there will be the next age when all things have been made new again and the saints shall be with Christ on the new earth FOREVERMORE where there is no more death, no more sin, no more crying or growing old. All will once again be as it was in the beginning when God pronounced His whole creation "very good"!

What you say you find in the Word is only what you force into the Word, and that comes from your vivid imagination!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Dispensationalists believe there are two separate gospels - one for the Jew and a separate one for the Gentiles

"dispensation"
(A dispensing of time)
Another one liner hoping to void the pretrib rapture verses.
Now God is forbidden to operate in time frames.
SMH



Omisionalists believe Jesus sitting on a horse, coming after the the trib / wrath is the same as Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle coming during the trib.
They also believe that Jesus sitting on a horse coming after the tribulation with millions of saints on horses blackening the sky, is the same as Jesus coming for his bride in Matthew 25 with no horses, no sickle, no tribulation, and commerce along with normal life .

Omissinalists evolve into changealists.
They change their bibles when they are challenged with the pretrib rapture facts.
All of them white out " before the flood" then high five each other for OMITTING "before the flood"
144k evolves into millions/ billions of non Jews.
Jews become non Jews.
I guess tribes are actually denominations!!!
Hey there is a potential anti pretrib dynamic.!!!!
Now tribes cam changealistically reframed innto denominations.
POOOOF!!!! Another one liner to make the rapture verses voided inti "white out land" .
Remember...you heard it here first!!!
Tribes = denominations.
SMH

So the bible becomes their private dart board that they sling any clever change at it they make up.
"makeupalists".

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture. The Word says there is a post tribulation rapture. Then the Lord returns with the armies of heaven after the marriage supper.

You see none of this. It's all rolled into one fairytale for those that think they have replaced Israel.

We will now await the outrage that they are called replacement theology adherents .

when they are in fact replacement theorists that can't stand to be exposed as such

 

[Zao is life]

If you mean that everyone physically dies, and either waits in death or the LOF. Or a few are given eternal life in a matter of a few months time as being intense, sure. If 8 billion people no longer experience life as they are used to in weeks or months, that would be pretty intense.

If He's talking to His disciples and warning them about it in the context of talking about tribulation leading up to the coming of the Son of man, is it the world's tribulation or the elect's tribulation He's warning the elect about?

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, it doesn't. Not one time is the rapture spoken of or described to be before the trib starts. It's always after the trib has ended. There are not 2 end times raptures of the saints either.

Several gathering that you need to NOT BE in the bible.
Very simple.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The DNA of a Jew before he receives Christ, and his DNA after he receives Christ and is added to the Church; is unchanged.

His DNA is not replaced by the Church.

Your claim is an absurd fallacy.

We all believe that.
Next

 

[Zao is life]

We will now await the outrage that they are called replacement theology adherents .

when they are in fact replacement theorists that can't stand to be exposed as such

Replacement theology adherents are those who replace God's elect in Christ - Israel - with unbelievers.

You still have not answered this post.

You make statements with no biblical education backing it up then you do not answer when asked to give a biblical reason why "the tribulation" is talking about the tribulation of the world, rather than of the saints at the hand of the unbelieving world and their authorities and armies.​

 

[rebuilder 454]

Replacement theology adherents are those who replace God's elect in Christ - Israel - with unbelievers.

Nope
Replacement theology is the false ASSUMPTION that the covenant God has with Israel is void.

Now, the replacement theology adherents believe all the promises are now to the church. ( correctly so in a sense)

I say in a sense because anybody that studies the word can see that both Dynamics exist at the same time.
the church has inherited everything including the promises to Abraham

but the Jew is not cast out ,he is only removed for a season.
it says so very clearly in Romans 11 that they will be grafted back in

now you guys probably and most likely take that and say "oh see that means that they get saved" and has nothing to do with the former Covenant or some such baloney like that.
Then they make up stuff from that messed up starting place.
It is a prism they view end times through.
So false ...and the massive clever dances they do with facts exposes their folly.
Ask yourself who can actually say honestly 144k is a number of the church?????

Just plain playing games with the bible.

 

[Zao is life]

Nope
Replacement theology is the false ASSUMPTION that the covenant God has with Israel is void.

Now, the replacement theology adherents believe all the promises are now to the church. ( correctly so in a sense)

I say in a sense because anybody that studies the word can see that both Dynamics exist at the same time.
the church has inherited everything including the promises to Abraham

but the Jew is not cast out ,he is only removed for a season.
it says so very clearly in Romans 11 that they will be grafted back in

now you guys probably and most likely take that and say "oh see that means that they get saved" and has nothing to do with the former Covenant or some such baloney like that.
Then they make up stuff from that messed up starting place.
It is a prism they view end times through.
So false ...and the massive clever dances they do with facts exposes their folly.
Ask yourself who can actually say honestly 144k is a number of the church?????

Just plain playing games with the bible.

Nope. Replacement theology adherents are those who base their belief upon the false ASSUMPTION that the blood of Christ is void, and upon the false ASSUMPTION that the New Covenant in the blood of Christ is not the only covenant God has with any people.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Replacement theology adherents are those who replace God's elect in Christ - Israel - with unbelievers.

You still have not answered this post.

You make statements with no biblical education backing it up then you do not answer when asked to give a biblical reason why "the tribulation" is talking about the tribulation of the world, rather than of the saints at the hand of the unbelieving world and their authorities and armies.​

None of your post refutes anything i bring to the table.
Pure generalities.
You want to refute something then specifically do so.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nope. Replacement theology adherents are those who base their belief upon the false ASSUMPTION that the blood of Christ is void, and upon the false ASSUMPTION that the New Covenant in the blood of Christ is not the only covenant God has with any people.

You need to take off your generalities and refute specifically your theories with verses

Edit
I do agree with your post that replacement theology is false

 

[Zao is life]

Nope. Replacement theology adherents are those who base their belief upon the false ASSUMPTION that the blood of Christ is void, and upon the false ASSUMPTION that the New Covenant in the blood of Christ is not the only covenant God has with any people.

You need to take off your generalities and refute specifically your theories with verses

You need to tell God that the patriarchs of 120,000 + 12,000 Israelites are all Jews.

You need to tell Jesus what you assert - straight after His rose again from the dead.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Actually what I find written is that there is a first resurrection of the spiritually dead to spiritual life in this age. Then when this age comes to an end when the last trumpet sounds there will be both a physical resurrection of ALL who are dead, and the saints alive at that time will be caught up immortal & incorruptible to meet the Lord in the air. The saints shall be with the Lord until the wrath of God coming against this earth and whosoever is left on it over. Then there will be the next age when all things have been made new again and the saints shall be with Christ on the new earth FOREVERMORE where there is no more death, no more sin, no more crying or growing old. All will once again be as it was in the beginning when God pronounced His whole creation "very good"!

What you say you find in the Word is only what you force into the Word, and that comes from your vivid imagination!

Just omit "before the flood"
And rev 14 gatherings and you will be fine.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You need to tell God that the patriarchs of 120,000 + 12,000 Israelites are all Jews.

You need to tell Jesus what you assert - straight after His rose again from the dead.

None of that even makes a bit of sense.
More wild generalities

 

[Zao is life]

None of that even makes a bit of sense.
More wild generalities

You are the one who never makes any sense. Your wild generalities are the sandy foundation of your replacement theology so that you can replace Christ's elect with those He knows not.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Are any of you aware that the 144,000 are Jews and that they are Messianic Jews???
they believe in Jesus

it says they follow him wherever he goes

I really wish you guys would study the word more precisely

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are the one who never makes any sense. Your wild generalities are the sandy foundation of your replacement theology so that you can replace Christ's elect with those He knows not.

You threw out numbers.
I have no idea where you got them.
You invoked the patriarchs ????
Verses????