The Barren Fig Tree:

[H. Richard]

Luke 13:6-9
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'" NKJV

Jesus spent 3 years in His ministry to the nation of Israel (the fig tree) and they did not accept Him as their king. After His crucifixion His apostles had about 40 years (to dig around it). But it never happened so God concluded that all had sinned, destroyed the Jewish Temple, and therefore He now offered salvation by grace to all. Up until this time the only way a Gentile could be saved was through a saved Jew. Now everyone is on a level playing field.

 

[bbyrd009]

complete horse puckey.

how you been btw, doin good?

 

[Windmill Charge]

Jesus spent 3 years in His ministry to the nation of Israel (the fig tree) and they did not accept Him as their king. After His crucifixion His apostles had about 40 years (to dig around it). But it never happened so God concluded that all had sinned, destroyed the Jewish Temple, and therefore He now offered salvation by grace to all. Up until this time the only way a Gentile could be saved was through a saved Jew. Now everyone is on a level playing field.

Try reading the book of Acts, where you will see Paul reaching out to the gentiles/non jewish people, before the temple was destroyed, with the gospel.

 

[H. Richard]

Try reading the book of Acts, where you will see Paul reaching out to the gentiles/non jewish people, before the temple was destroyed, with the gospel.

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Why do you think I don't already know that? But Paul's gospel is not the same as the gospel of the kingdom that was preached to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that promised kingdom that Jesus will set up in Israel and He will reign 1000 years on this earth. It was promised under a covenant made to the Jews and God will keep His promise. But that has been put on hold since the Jews refused it.

Paul's gospel of grace based on Jesus' work on the cross and was hidden in God and revealed to him alone. The scriptures say that. Paul said his gospel was not taught to him by man (the 12 included) but was given to him by revelation from Jesus. The religious churches today refuse to accept that the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are two different gospels. One is based on the covenant God made with Israel which included the Law of Moses and the other is based on Jesus' shed blood on a cross which atoned for all the sins of the world.

 

[Windmill Charge]

But Paul's gospel is not the same as the gospel of the kingdom that was preached to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that promised kingdom that Jesus will set up in Israel and He will reign 1000 years on this earth

Jesus taught what the apostles including Paul taught.
That we are saved by faith in Jesus and that we will be with him in heaven.

 

[H. Richard]

Jesus taught what the apostles including Paul taught.
That we are saved by faith in Jesus and that we will be with him in heaven.

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No they didn't.. Paul said we are no longer under the Law of Moses. Show me where Jesus and the 12 (11) said we are no longer under the Law of Moses. If you can't find it, it is because they didn't. Therefore Paul's gospel of grace was not taught by Jesus and the 12. But Jesus did send Paul out to the world with a gospel of grace that had been hidden in God and revealed to him so that he could go the the whole world.

Why do the religious refuse to see the words "hidden in God".

Deut 29:29
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
NKJV

Eph 3:8-13
Purpose of the Mystery 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
NKJV

 

[bbyrd009]

Why do you think I don't already know that?

bc you keep saying stuff like this?

But Paul's gospel is not the same as the gospel of the kingdom that was preached to Israel.

 

[bbyrd009]

Paul said we are no longer under the Law of Moses

i don't think so, you are misinterpreting Paul's intent there i guess, as he makes plain @ "God forbid!" so same chapter, iow

 

[Davy]

Just more bull-hockey from the Ultra-Dispensationalist crowd, trying to separate the gospel our Lord Jesus and His Apostles preached from some other supposed gospel that Apostle Paul preached.

New Testament Scripture gives examples of Apostle Paul having preached about the 'kingdom' when he preached the Gospel - Acts 20:25; Acts 28:31; Rom.14:17; 1 Cor.4:20; 1 Cor.6:9; 1 Cor.15:24; Gal.5:21; Eph.5:5; Col.1:13; Col.4:11; 1 Thess.2:12; 2 Thess.1:5; 2 Tim.4:1; 2 Tim.4:18.

Acts 28:30-31
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
KJV

For someone who supposed had a different gospel than our Lord Jesus and His 12 Apostles, Paul sure spent a lot of time mentioning the 'kingdom' when he preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

There is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ. And all the Apostles, including Paul, were preaching the SAME Gospel. The difference with Paul was that Jesus gave him an adminstration of the One Gospel to take to the Gentiles. Yet Paul was ALSO chosen by our Lord Jesus to preach to the kings, AND... to the children of Israel:

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
KJV

Paul preaching The Gospel to Israel too?!*!? YES!

Beware brethren, of the foolishness of the Dispensationalist doctrines, especially from the Ultra-Dispensationalists like the 'two gospels' false doctrinists.

 

[Windmill Charge]

No they didn't.. Paul said we are no longer under the Law of Moses. Show me where Jesus and the 12 (11) said we are no longer under the Law of Moses.

Jesus said we are saved by belief in him as per john 3:16.
He also said that he gave eternal life to us, if it is given then it is not earnt by obeying laws see John 10:28

 

[bbyrd009]

obeying the law is assumed to be the least one can do, "not one jot or tittle removed," etc