The Bible doesn't instruct to pray to Jesus

[David in NJ]

These verses were made to order to be ignored by those who suppose otherwise.

• John 14:28 the Father is greater than I.
• 1 Corinthians 11:3 the head of the Messiah is God.
• 1 Corinthians 15:27 “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.

What purpose is excluding God from who Christ has authority over if they are one and the same? Harry gave Harry authority over all things, of course, when it says 'all things,' that doesn't include Harry himself. Huh?

We SEE those verses and have Understanding of those verses.

When the Word that was with God and was God became flesh, HE laid aside HIS GLORY to enter this world as a man in order to bring Salvation to man.

As a man, HE submitted unto HIS FATHER = who just happens to be GOD

 

[David in NJ]

In speaking of himself, God uses plural personal pronouns.

Elohim is the correct word for 'God' and it is Plural.
The we have the obvious Plurality of Genesis 1:26 = as you pointed out

Then when Moses writes out the act of creation of male and female, he uses singular personal pronouns. Why? Because there is only one God. Yet, God hints at a multiplicity within himself.

Are you referring to Genesis 1:27 ???

 

[Justified]

Are you referring to Genesis 1:27 ???

Of course. That’s the context I gave.

 

[David in NJ]

Of course. That’s the context I gave.

Do you think that there is a difference between 1:26 and 1:27 ???

 

[Justified]

Do you think that there is a difference between 1:26 and 1:27 ???

A difference in what? As I stated, God uses plural personal pronouns of himself in verse 26, when speaking to himself, of making man in his image. Then verse 27 uses singular personal pronouns when telling of the act of God creating male and female in his image.

That tells us there is only one God (as verse 1 has already stated), but strongly suggests that within God there is a plurality.

 

[Runningman]

Then the onus is on YOU to disprove the almost THREE DOZEN verses that a TRIUNE God.
Context is NOT your friend . . .


I’ve done BOTH – ad nauseam.

YOUR refusal to believe the truth of Scripture doesn’t make it “wrong” to reject your perversions.
You’ve presented nothing but YOUR opinions – but you haven’t disproven my Scriptural evidence.

The Trinity, as Shown in Scripture
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Matt. 28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"

John 15:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

1 Cor. 12:4-6
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons."

2 Cor. 13:14
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."

Each of these have a different context.

For example, in Genesis 1:26, it doesn't say the "Us" and "Our" are a trinity nor even how many there are. That doesn't help, but you seem to be saying that if God were a trinity that God would be an "Us, Our, They, or Them" which would be normal pronoun usage for describing more than one person. That's helpful, because did you know that God is never described as a They, Them, Us, or Our throughout the entire Bible? With overwhelming consistency, God is always a He, Him,. His, I, You, just one person in the entire Bible. This is the opposite of what you're saying. Genesis 1:26 is part of a conversation not God saying "Hey, I'm a trinity and we're gonna create some stuff." The very next verse clarifies that God created alone as a singular person. Who made people in His own image. Want proof? If you're in the image of God, then are you three persons or one person?

Genesis 1
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Next, Matthew 28:19 doesn't define the trinity despite it saying "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Side question, why does no one in Acts baptize according to that formula?

John 15:26 isn't helpful to demonstrate that the "Spirit of truth" is actually a distinct person from the Father. Why? God has many spirits. Following your reasoning, if the "Spirit of truth" is a third person, then God wouldn't be a trinity, but rather at least 9 different persons that I can count off the top of my head. You misunderstand that God's spirits are often personified in Scripture and often represent His power.

Isaiah 11
2The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him—
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and strength,
the Spirit of knowledge and fear of the LORD.

 

[Wrangler]

We SEE those verses and have Understanding of those verses.

As long as you understand those verses show inequality, then you see correctly. Otherwise, you're seeing what you want despite God's words. Here is inequality: Jesus died; God did not die.

 

[Runningman]

There are many ways in which God is Defined in the Scriptures

Example #1 - John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Example #2 - John 14:5-7
“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Example #2 - John 17:1-5
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Generally speaking, how is God defined in the Bible though? A He, a Him, His, I, You? The Father who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ? The Father as the only true God, the throne sitter with His begotten Son temporarily at His right hand? The one who Jesus taught his followers to worship and pray to? The Father as the only God Jesus identified to believe in in order to have eternal life? If God were a trinity, for lack of a better way to put, Jesus and the apostles fooled a lot of people and that in and of itself would be concerning.

Anyway, this is a side discussion to this thread because it was necessary to address. God is never really defined as three persons in one being, or any of the trinitarian statements people use in the Bible which, if true, we should reasonably expect to be present. I don't agree with that version of God at all.