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The Big Lie

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by charleychacko, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. HammerStone

    HammerStone Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Amen means truth. It can be thought of as a final word saying this is nothing but the truth, God's Truth.
    We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" SEE you just said you can achieve enlightenment through satan.
    I quite frankly don't know how else to write it for you. I think it's obvious as to what I meant and I have no clue where you get the idea that I believe one can reach enlightenment through Satan. My point is simply that Satan can appear to people as visions of light and he can make them think that they are reaching some stage of enlightenment. I've said that many times now and I don't understand why you're not getting that other than you don't want to listen to what people say.Then you want to turn around and talk about reincarnation? That lie is nowhere in the Bible. In fact, it's an absolute abomination to preach such; anyone familiar with the Bible should know this. That's not a doctrine of Christ.Hebrews 9:27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:Now, I anticipated you were going to come with 2 Corinthians 12. We can see from the rest of the chapter that the man that Paul knew is none other than himself.Corinthians 12:1-7It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth)4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.Finally, you continue to throw around this term "mantle worshippers"; of where did you get this term from, just curious?
    the lammas are in deepmeditation trying to find the holy sound of aum or amen and when this happens you escape the wheel of reincarnation.
    John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
     
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    amen mean truth thats a better anwser than what the other chat room gave me. hey did they put you on cool Amen stand for the last baptism of man kind when you here the holy sound of amen you then get your new heaven body and now you can comprehend one of the seven seals depending on how rich you are in the new heaven. so when you say amen your asking GOD for your heaven Bodyreincarnation is a deep secrect you worship satan. A 19 yearold wouldnt even no about satans ministers. you no to much and you just said i belivie these people that have these wonderful vision that reach enlightenment. also you think this is a game have fun on pre jugment every month on th 10.paul is not boasting about his self he cleary says this over and over again he boasting about a super apostle. i should no i have light in my eye you dont. how can you understand the bible without light in your eye.how can you eat the meet of the lord if you dont wake up with light in your body. just tell the truth you worship satan i no and i dont even care that much all of satans minsters will half to preach the word of GOD in the 1000 years with the former heavens.why would you say this see satan likes to boast and you and kriss like to boast even kriss has said some strange thing that means he worships satan.swampfox says We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" SEE you just said you can achieve enlightenment through satan.are you one of his comrades. Satan hates humans all of humans and when satan looses he will take it out on his Comrades.
     
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    You obviously cannot seem to comprehend what I have to say here. I'm not here to be rude but since I've said it at least 3 different ways now. You're the one here bringing in incantations and things completely unrelated to the Bible yet you're throwing out titles (some of which you can't seem to explain where they come from) right and left when people don't agree with you(it's not just me) and start name calling. You don't want to answer questions that are asked of you as well.Reincarnation is an abomination and it is clear. Anyone who preaches this nonsense is not talking about anything whatsoever of God. We've already seen that in Hebrews:Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:Quite clearly, you die once. You don't live under the threat of being reborn as a donkey or another human. You live one life, then you are judged for the seeds that you sow and the fruit that you reap. Don't bring this nonsense around here anymore, especially since you cannot back it up Biblically.You label me as a minister of Satan yet I am not the one teaching that buddha's journey, not through Jesus the Christ, is the way to get to God; nor am I teaching a known abomination. Now I see that you're claiming your own enlightenment?Can I again remind you of one verse?John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.It doesn't say through incantations, a spiritual path to enlightenment, or anyone else but Jesus the Christ!
    why would you say this see satan likes to boast and you and kriss like to boast even kriss has said some strange thing that means he worships satan.
    Number one, what are you even talking about at this point? Your ramblings seem to show someone who apparently just does not know what they are talking about. I don't agree with you, therefore I am a minister of satan, right? That's what matters. That's a complete 180 from yesterday where you were chatting about things such as football and this website; now I am a minister of satan. Which one is it? Make up your mind, please.
    SEE you just said you can achieve enlightenment through satan.are you one of his comrades. Satan hates humans all of humans and when satan looses he will take it out on his Comrades.
    I clearly did not say that, stop putting words into my mouth and listen for one second here, though I fear that is impossible for the lies that you believe at the moment.Satan can make people think that they see forms of light. We know from the Bible:2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Satan and his agents do appear to these so buddhists who think they find enlightenment and leads them down the false path away from God. They do have 'enlightenment' but give me the grace of God over that junk anyday.
     
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    [/QUOTE]why would you say this see satan likes to boast and you and kriss like to boast even kriss has said some strange thing that means he worships satan.[/QUOTE]First of all Im a She not a He, and second I would like to thank you for mentioning my name along with Swampfox I would be pround to stand at his side anyday espically judgement day and could only hope to be as well versed in Gods word as he is You could learn much from him,If you have eyes to see and ears to hear.
     
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    You label me as a minister of Satan yet I am not the one teaching that buddha's journey, not through Jesus the Christ, is the way to get to God; nor am I teaching a known abomination. Now I see that you're claiming your own enlightenment?i label you cause you cleary said thy have fantastic visions why would you say this. and you stick up for servant of the end who clearly worships a mantle. also a 19 year old would not no about satans ministers you never even asked me any questions when i brought the topic up. i already said the only way to the house of god is through jesus read timothy. The second death is reincarnation in the bible and its it abomination.Y WOULD YOU SAY THIS i dont understand you cleary say you belivie these mantle worshippers who have false vision. so you believe in these false prophets that wish they could see visions.We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" so y did you write this you still havent gave me a good answer buddhist monks they dont write there visions down so buddhist have nothing to do with what you said. sorry for this i dont even care if you worship satan and if you dont im sorry its just y would you say fanatical visions and achieve enlightenment when i read this im like oh no hes one of them to. it doesnt matter satan minister break the first rule never read from the bible because your gonna hve to preach it so it doesnt even matter its only a chat room. least you can say what you want on this chat room im sorry swampfox just getting a little parenode but why would you say that makes no sense.
     
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    i label you cause you cleary said thy have fantastic visions why would you say this. and you stick up for servant of the end who clearly worships a mantle. also a 19 year old would not no about satans ministers you never even asked me any questions when i brought the topic up.
    Obviously you simply don't understand what I've been trying to say for the last 4-5 posts. I'll try this one last time; if it does not work, I do not know what else to say to make you understand it.Satan can appear as a form of light - falsely - to deceive those who he wants. Meaning, that Satan (and we can surmise, his cronies) can appear to people in these visions that they have where they think they see something that resembles Christ or some other religious deity. He can provide this sense of enlightenment or religious sensation that can deceive those who do not know God. My point is simply that, as the Bible tells us, Satan can show up as a form of light in order to deceive.Now as for this reference to mantles that you keep using. I've asked you about it twice now and you've failed to address it at all. Where did you get this from? I did a little research two nights ago and there is nothing in the Bible that I could find where God every addresses them as "mantle worshippers." I'm just curious where the term came from.
    i already said the only way to the house of god is through jesus read timothy. The second death is reincarnation in the bible and its it abomination.
    Revelation 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.I don't see one mention of reincarnation there unless you plan to propose that somehow the lake of fire is reincarnation; this seems to be some made of fantasy of yours or someone you heard it from. It directly goes against the Word. There is no reincarnation and it is abomidable to say so. We can see, quite clearly, from above that the second death is none other than a spiritual death.
    Y WOULD YOU SAY THIS i dont understand you cleary say you belivie these mantle worshippers who have false vision. so you believe in these false prophets that wish they could see visions.
    Apparently you're not reading the posts I have made at this point, or something. I'm simply confounded as to why you would say this.
    so y did you write this you still havent gave me a good answer buddhist monks they dont write there visions down so buddhist have nothing to do with what you said. sorry for this i dont even care if you worship satan and if you dont im sorry its just y would you say fanatical visions and achieve enlightenment when i read this im like oh no hes one of them to. it doesnt matter satan minister break the first rule never read from the bible because your gonna hve to preach it so it doesnt even matter its only a chat room. least you can say what you want on this chat room im sorry swampfox just getting a little parenode but why would you say that makes no sense.
    I've given you a good 3 or 4 answers now. You seem to be the only one who doesn't comprehend them. If you'll kindly notice, I like to let the Bible do the talking.However, what gets me the most is your comment about the buddhist monks. So at this point, buddha counts, but the monks don't right? Even though there is no way to even remotely Biblically prove in any way that Paul was somehow talking about buddha there. You can't have both worlds, either those who follow buddha are following a way to Christ or they are not; which is it? Make up your mind, please.
     
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    swampfox saysWe both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" you cleary say in this that you believe these false visons ill go over every sentence for you.We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. Now this is the part that made me go nuts and question who you are?That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" why would you say this so you belive the false visions that satans ministers give out thats what it says hello cant switch and twist what you said.NOw you edited what you said now you have this stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" - note that I am not saying all of these are true. However, Satan has done it before and there's nothing to stop him from doing it again.Swampfox now this makes more sense but before you didnt have the last sentance put your self in my shoes with out the last sentance it seems like your agreeing with the false vision see the last sentance wasnt there when i read this topic you only had it like this stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenmentyou see how i didnt understand you. without the last sentace it sounds like you beleive in these vision. you then added the last sentance note that I am not saying all of these are true. However, Satan has done it before and there's nothing to stop him from doing it again.well you still say you believe in the visions but not all them.
     
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    With all due respect I don't see how you did not understand them. You're still not getting it all right, either (at least from what I think you're saying). It's like you're trying to insert words where they aren't and make me say something I am not. I don't get where you're pulling this from; I feel almost like I'm speaking to someone who doesn't speak the same language as I do.
     
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    We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" this is what you said now this makes no sense do you speak the same language as me. you say you beleive in the visions put your self in my shoes what the hell are you talking aboutswampfox saysThat's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" never mind peace out
     
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    Again, with all due respect, I've been as patient as possible with you and I'm still willing to try to get my point across to you. However, at this point, by your attitude in this thread and others, you're not willing to hear anyone else and you are especially not willing to listen to the Bible. I can care less if you listen to me; but I do hope you will listen to the Bible and not the history channel in its place.As for what I have said, it makes sense to me and it makes sense to everyone I've asked thus far. You seem to be the only one who doesn't get it. I am definitely not claiming to believe in Satan nor any of his tricks. I don't know how else to say it for you.I'll quote all my replies one more time to you:
    When you start practicing this inter enlightenment and start opening up your soul, you are opening yourself up to trouble. The Bible addresses this as "familiar spirits" and this is not something to mess around with. We both know Satan can appear as light and we can surmise that so can his comrades. That's why I do put stock in some of what people claim to see when they see these fanatical visions and achieve "enlightenment" - note that I am not saying all of these are true. However, Satan has done it before and there's nothing to stop him from doing it again.

    What I am saying is that some people feel that they have seen visions or achieved false senses of enlightment by following after nutjobs like buddha or other false religions of the world. In many cases, they probably have seen something, but certainly not anything of God. What I am clearly saying above is that people are following false paths given to them (just like buddha) and feeling that they are finding a god or enlightenment. Satan is at work when this happens.

    I quite frankly don't know how else to write it for you. I think it's obvious as to what I meant and I have no clue where you get the idea that I believe one can reach enlightenment through Satan. My point is simply that Satan can appear to people as visions of light and he can make them think that they are reaching some stage of enlightenment. I've said that many times now and I don't understand why you're not getting that other than you don't want to listen to what people say.

    I clearly did not say that, stop putting words into my mouth and listen for one second here, though I fear that is impossible for the lies that you believe at the moment. Satan can make people think that they see forms of light. We know from the Bible: 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Satan and his agents do appear to these so buddhists who think they find enlightenment and leads them down the false path away from God. They do have 'enlightenment' but give me the grace of God over that junk anyday.

    Obviously you simply don't understand what I've been trying to say for the last 4-5 posts. I'll try this one last time; if it does not work, I do not know what else to say to make you understand it. Satan can appear as a form of light - falsely - to deceive those who he wants. Meaning, that Satan (and we can surmise, his cronies) can appear to people in these visions that they have where they think they see something that resembles Christ or some other religious deity. He can provide this sense of enlightenment or religious sensation that can deceive those who do not know God. My point is simply that, as the Bible tells us, Satan can show up as a form of light in order to deceive.
    That's five different ways I've put it to you.Here's my final try.Satan is a faker. He can appear as forms of light to deceive and lead away from God. Set forms that he can appear as include visions of figures that look like Christ, he can give people a fake sense of enlightenment, and his agents can do the same.And finally, you have yet to address my question of where did you get the term "mantle worshippers" from? I'm still awaiting that answer.
     
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    aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh ratfox hey whats your name from swampfox ?Buddha rule smoke buddha all day and make it to the third heaven any one that worships the source is from GOD. its funny how satanics dont even no how to worship satan also dont you no what a pow is MOW MOW deer hunter. also buddha is in the bible haha hes the only one to make it to the third heaven ya we no the only way to the earthly heaven is through Jesus but there are many Gods and many LORDs but only on GOD. Buddha was a God who made it to the third heaven and hes in the BIBLE so smoke that buddha. shiva means the three prophets in the bible it says two or maybe three hhhmmmm shiva gave us wead so smoke it you might learn somethin have any missing time yet servant or see a banana split fly in the sky
    -----------------------------------------------------------------toolapcinteresting fact for you Buddha was born (560 B.C.E)he lived 80 years 5&1/2 centerys before Christ was ever born so I doubt Paul knew him 14 years earlier when buddha had been dead for centurys and lived his whole life in India and buddha was an athiest so why would Paul a man preaching about the divenity of Christ be talking about an athiest from another country hundreds of years later, how did he know about him thru T.V.history channel? Sense the entire book of 2 cor.is Paul teaching on Christ.I doubt if he is all of a sudden going to stop in the middle of his teaching and make up a lie about knowing buddha.This is the danger of getting your info from other sources besides the bible.__________________
     
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    Since the very beginning of Christianity, the entire N.T. has warnings from end to end of a falling away and a church married to the world system ( in various ways, and degrees ), such as parables of Jesus of a "negative" nature about the kingdom of heaven -becuase their are singular and plural wordings both in the greek, thus explainging a true singular kingdom of God, and of Heaven, and a plural nature counterfit one. The church creates it's own falling away, and church system married to the world, including it's blasphemous use of ICONS and such, and it's gnosticism, and hidden goddess inner child spirit sex apostacies and such ( becuase to become as a child, with child like faith, and in such innocence become a child of God- does not mean become a pagan world system inner child, of it's universal hidden inner child religion ). And unless we deal with these bigger issues of falling away, and marrying the evil world system, then how do we expect to survive the arrival of deeper and deeper conflicts, such as between Christianity and Islam. The church is suffering judgment, and Islam is the question here put forth, but like Jesus had once said ( about God and Satan ) how can one enter into a strong Man's house, unless he first binds the strong man, ----and therefore have we not in our apostacy, allowed the Spirit of the Strong Man ( God ) within us to be bound, when we the church have bound ourselves to our apostacies and grievous sins -sins we committ with the world system openly, after having been forgiven our sins unto salvation ( and thus we will not go to hell, but have brought chastisment and judgment upon us ) ????????? And why will no one admidt that Hitler and the Nazi's could well have been the 2nd beast of Daniel 7: -(and it's 1st-parallel beast of Daniel 8: ), which had to allow itself to fall, so the other beasts could arise ( becuase we are so stubborn in our blindness to have to assign that "bear" to Russia -because the world names it's own beasts, independant of how God might name them ). And if the Bear Dan 7: = the Ram Dan 8:, has God not already given this beast 2 names and not 1 ???????????? Am I supposed to fall down and worship the ridiculous techings of Tim Lahaye or whomever else leads us astray, including such ridiculous teachings that God never uses more than one beast name/type for the same beast???????? God gives us several names for Christ, and Antichrist both, and some beasts are also refered to by more than one name, such as the bear/ram of Daniel, and why again is it not the NAZI's, just because Russia is known as the bear???????? Are we all idiots in a Monty Python skit, where we have to, or have to not, -name beasts based on the worlds names, rather than the bibles???????? God forbid we should use the bible, or expect it to ever differ from the worlds own "Tags," ( or names if You prefer ) ????????????? And if I am incorrect in this particular assignment or not, is my very premise wrong, because a Tim Lahaye or someone else says so??????????? I think not!!!!!!!!!
     
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