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the biggest problem: sex.

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by cristian_gavrilescu, May 21, 2020.

  1. cristian_gavrilescu

    cristian_gavrilescu New Member

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    homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia are forbidden, the sex must be done only between spouses, you can break up with your wife only if she committed adultery. God says: be fruitful and multiply. he doesn't say: make sex, he doesn't say: make love. the purpose of sex must be procreation. nevertheless, paul says to do your duty as a husband, to not fall into temptation, but he also says this: abstinence is the right way. bible quotes:
    16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. (Exodus 22:16)
    10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
    28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
    32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (Matthew 5:32)
    22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)
    God says this:
    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:28)
    paul says this:
    7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
    2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
    3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
    4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
    5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
    6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. (1Corinthians 7:1-6)
     
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  2. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    The title of this OP couldn't be more correct.

    Even though when we repent unto Christ, and He in turn gives us His Holy Spirit in our hearts where He writes God's laws, James, the brother of Christ and first leader of the Church, tell the apostles concerning the new Gentile converts, "19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

    Why reiterate sexual immorality? Isn't it already a law written on our hearts? Because the instinct to procreate is the strongest drive known to all living things, even to those born again. More is written on sexual sins than on any other transgression.
     
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    MattMooradian Well-Known Member

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    In my attempt to imitate Jesus, by the grace of God, I have been attempting to refrain from sex in all its forms. With God's grace, I strive to control my eyes from looking and control my heart from imagining in an impure manner. In this era of sexual harassment, I believe that women who show portions of their breasts in a public context are sexually harassing me. I remember my great grandmother being nauseated by bra commercials on TV - they were sexually harassing her. I believe it must be equally difficult for women when a man has his shirt off, or he wears tight pants to show off his butt. It only takes a 1/4 of a second to lust. Nevertheless, no one will agree with me on this issue. More and more skin will be shown in the future, and my hopes to lust less will become ever more difficult.
    I believe we are in the last days, making it "better not to marry". I believe I must prepare myself for Heaven, where "there is no marriage". No marriage in Heaven, I presume, means no sex in Heaven. I have my doubts that there will even be two sexes in Heaven. There will be no children in Heaven (unless we have sex outside marriage - unlikely). Therefore, there will be no need of the two sexes. "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. But, to avoid fornication"...God puts up with marriage. Marriage is a symbol of Christ's relationship with the Church; but it is only a dim reflection of the things in Heaven.
     
  4. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    I can't even begin to address the mental problems demonstrated here.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    No accusing other members here please.
     
  6. cristian_gavrilescu

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    I can't even begin to address the mental problems demonstrated here.

    do you like this?
     
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    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree with Willie. It is in the mind that issues start. Sex in the context being addressed here is self. Yup, me, me, me and double me....and how does one get rid of me by focusing on self?? It's like trying to get air out of a bottle by sucking it out.....how long are you going to keep that up??

    Air is got out of a bottle by replacing it with something else; let's say fill it with water. It's not different with sin; try as you might to 'suck' it out, it's not possible to succeed.

    Jesus spoke of drinking living water....he spoke of connection to the vine and he definitively described the lack of connection 'without me you can do nothing'. A limb isn't connected to your body unless its there 24/7. Partially connected limbs rot, generating an offensive odour.

    Beating the sex demon requires laying all the cards on the table with God.....any other way its bonds only get stronger.

    Charging others with sex issues is clearly a convenient smoke screen to hide behind ones own struggles without coming clean.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    I think you have misunderstood the post.
     
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  9. Rita

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    Ok, I was actually endeavouring to defend another member , not stir anything up !
    I have deleted my other post as well as it makes no sense xx
    Rita
     
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  10. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Perhaps I wasn't clear. (Sorry if this goes against your deleted post, Rita... I never saw it.)
    "Faulty Thinking" about ANYTHING — Religion, Honor, Appearance, Food, Sex... anything... almost any kind of 'taboo' we create to enshroud or enshrine an action or emotion with — is the very basis of almost all our mental illnesses.
    And to think that men and women weren't designed, both physically and emotionally to be desirable to one another for pleasure far beyond the mere transferance of seminal fluids to induce procreation, is just begging to have your mind filled with very Faulty Thinking.
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    yeh, i doubt there were any actual whores in prophets gone a'whoring...
     
  12. Rita

    Rita Guest

    It was you I was endeavouring to defend Willie , Cristian d said something unkind - I agree with what you have conveyed eyed above x
    Rita
     
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  13. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Thank you, Rita. I really mean that.
    But, Cristian's got every right to say whatever he feels; I have not been very kind to him, at all.
     
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    Eternally Grateful Well-Known Member

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    I think the issue in any sin area is pride

    While the overt sin is condemned in scripture. and as one would say, Against the law

    It is not the overt sin which is really the problem, It is our pride

    All those forms of sexual sins comes from a faulty understanding of our design, and our creator. It comes from a selfish desire to attempt to satisfy our own needs. Or, in some cases. out of rebellion. In the attitude where we say to the one who tells us no. That we are going to say yes and do it just to spite you.. How dare yuo tell me what to do.

    In this aspect. I do not agree with the op. Sex is not the problem. The problem is our fallen nature.

    Our fallen nature produces all kinds of sin, Sex, drugs, overindulgence, The desire for power and wealth for self gain not for the service of others. We can go on and on!
     
  15. Rita

    Rita Guest

    I only had this thread to go on, and it bothered me xx
    I thought he was fairly new here.
    Rita.
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    He is fairly new. But I have beat him up pretty badly, right from the beginning, and it is natural that he is going to find objection with most anything I say for a few months.
     
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    This is one of the best posts I have ever read. :)
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    LOL I guess my rather rough and raw therapeutic past is why I appreciate President Trump's transparency so much. Like him, I am often too direct. But, with both of us, though you are likely to get bopped in the nose if your alligator mouth overloads your hummingbird butt, you needn't fear being stabbed in the back while we smile disarmingly and spout sweet words.
     
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    Prayer Warrior Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure what you mean in this post, but I hope you know that my post was completely sincere.
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    I meant that I usually say just what I am thinking. And, I assumed you meant simply what you posted.
     
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