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I would like to point out that at the bottom of the page, the mini presentation of the Gospel seems opposite of what they had presented at their web page in length regarding God's Simple Plan of Salvation.http://www.seekgod.ca/salvation.htmIn opposition to that unclear mini presentation, I would like to point out several verses:Romans 10: 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.At their presentation of the Gospel in length, they had this verse which is puzzling why the mini presentation is contrary regarding "prayer cannot save the person". I had e-mailed the web site, and the only correction I had seen was the added "Prayer is merely expressing to God how you feel." It doesn't seem to match up with their "God's Simple Plan of Salvation web page still. Oh well.Just so you all know the Truth before you go there. I don't know why the mini presentation at the bottom of each page from each article exposing false teachings doesn't quite match up with their web page's presentation of God's Simple Plan of Salvation.As always, be on guard as people may prophesy in part and can make mistakes too or be unclear in what they say and mean.
Do you believe that the British (Anglo-Saxon-Celtic) people are the lost 10 tribes of Israel?I do but salvation is through obedience to the gospel of repentance, baptism and receiving God's Spirit not natural descendancy.I know a Church in Penn. that agrees with this.
A Study on the Jacobs Pillow that sits under the throne of Scotland /Englandhttp://www.christianityboard.com/jacobs-pi...t=Jacobs+Pillar
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Do you believe that the British (Anglo-Saxon-Celtic) people are the lost 10 tribes of Israel?I do but salvation is through obedience to the gospel of repentance, baptism and receiving God's Spirit not natural descendancy.I know a Church in Penn. that agrees with this.
I agree with it TallMan.... 100% agree.........Whirlwind
Do you believe that the British (Anglo-Saxon-Celtic) people are the lost 10 tribes of Israel?I do but salvation is through obedience to the gospel of repentance, baptism and receiving God's Spirit not natural descendancy.I know a Church in Penn. that agrees with this.
I agree with it TallMan.... 100% agree.........Whirlwind
(whirlwind;25039)
I agree with it TallMan.... 100% agree.........Whirlwind
I'm with this church, that does, it's a testimony of God's faithfulness and foreknowledge.A lot of Old Testament prophecy (and Revelation) makes no sense without it.However we distance ourselves from anyone that tries to say that being of Israel according to the flesh makes you somehow superior to others before God.Correctly handled, this huge area of teaching should not offend anyone, but of course we know people have their own agendas so it sometimes does and some feel it can distract from salvation. Others have testified that it helped them believe & respect the bible and it brought them to salvation. It was very widely taught and known 100 years ago.
I agree with it TallMan.... 100% agree.........Whirlwind
I'm with this church, that does, it's a testimony of God's faithfulness and foreknowledge.A lot of Old Testament prophecy (and Revelation) makes no sense without it.However we distance ourselves from anyone that tries to say that being of Israel according to the flesh makes you somehow superior to others before God.Correctly handled, this huge area of teaching should not offend anyone, but of course we know people have their own agendas so it sometimes does and some feel it can distract from salvation. Others have testified that it helped them believe & respect the bible and it brought them to salvation. It was very widely taught and known 100 years ago.
We need to be cautious here This does not mean the church has replaced the Jewsit is written in Ez that we will become one under Christ.Judah is current day Jews(Israel) Ephraim(represents 10 lost tribes/church) and all the house of Israel is all 12 tribes including the church and the JewsEze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
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I'm with this church, that does, it's a testimony of God's faithfulness and foreknowledge.A lot of Old Testament prophecy (and Revelation) makes no sense without it.However we distance ourselves from anyone that tries to say that being of Israel according to the flesh makes you somehow superior to others before God.Correctly handled, this huge area of teaching should not offend anyone, but of course we know people have their own agendas so it sometimes does and some feel it can distract from salvation. Others have testified that it helped them believe & respect the bible and it brought them to salvation. It was very widely taught and known 100 years ago.
I agree in that if prophecy is to be understood you must separate the two houses. Some prophecy concerns Israel, some Judah and some all twelve tribes. I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
I'm with this church, that does, it's a testimony of God's faithfulness and foreknowledge.A lot of Old Testament prophecy (and Revelation) makes no sense without it.However we distance ourselves from anyone that tries to say that being of Israel according to the flesh makes you somehow superior to others before God.Correctly handled, this huge area of teaching should not offend anyone, but of course we know people have their own agendas so it sometimes does and some feel it can distract from salvation. Others have testified that it helped them believe & respect the bible and it brought them to salvation. It was very widely taught and known 100 years ago.
I agree in that if prophecy is to be understood you must separate the two houses. Some prophecy concerns Israel, some Judah and some all twelve tribes. I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
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I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
Hi TallMan,
Originally Posted by whirlwind I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
TallMan's Quote:
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.. . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
Are you of the group that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus are not saved, TallMan?How can there be a continual filling of the Spirit when we have a rest in Christ Jesus?Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.John 6: 35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.How can you say you are not preaching another spirit other than the Spirit you had already received if you preach another baptism of the Holy Spirit?Don't you know there are other tongues in the world that is just gibberish? Tongues are a sign for the unbelievers.. not for the believers to know they have the Holy Spirit. Tongues were giving the wonderful works of God in foreign languages to unbelievers. To seek tongues as a sign that you are saved after you believed in Jesus, then that is alike committing spiritual adultery in seeking another filling of the "Spirit" to get this tongues which the world also gets by going after the spirits of the world.That is why all invitations points to Jesus. None to the Holy Spirit. It is by Jesus we receive the Spirit as promised.Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.Colossians 2: 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:So this "need" for a continual filling of the "Spirit" is not the Gospel, but preaching another spirit and it is of the world as evident as the tongues of the world is gibberish, having no interpretor thus an unbiblical tongue.You need to strive ye to enter through that straight gate, TallMan. That straight gate is Jesus Christ. You need to get out of that false teaching and way of life because that is not preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That is exalting something else in His name for salvation and that is just as wrong as catholicism. Decide this day Whom you are going to serve, the Lord Jesus Christ... or something else in His name. Even I referred to the Lord Jesus Christ, but I still needed Him to help me do that for there is no power in that decision of man... only by the faith in Christ Jesus in trusting Him to be My Good Shepherd. I am where I am today because of Him, thanks be to Jesus!! AMEN! And you are so going to need Him to be able to take a step back and discern what you are actually saying in how that is NOT the simplicity of the Gospel AND you are going to need Him to withdraw from it also to rest in Jesus and His promises to us. Amen.Hebrews 4: 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.The purpose of the site is to expose false teachings. It doesn't matter about the British Israel/ the Christian Identity Connection because we are identified as His by faith WITHOUT anything else for it is by faith in His righteousness we are identified by.Romans 3: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. I don't see getting another filling of the Spirit with evidence of tongues as an act of man to obtain when we are to rest in Him by faith.Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen....6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. So where is your faith in this saying?Romans 10: 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.Ephesians 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Kind of hard for you to claim this verse above if you say God's way of salvation is through the constant filling of the spirit with speaking in tongues.Have you not heard Whirlwind's confession of faith?Romans 10: 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.You need to depart from the practises that deny Him, TallMan. Call on Jesus for help today.
Originally Posted by whirlwind I don't know if I am physically of any tribe or not but Paul tells us that you become part of that family through belief.....I believe - so hello cousin!........Whirlwind
TallMan's Quote:
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.. . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
Are you of the group that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus are not saved, TallMan?How can there be a continual filling of the Spirit when we have a rest in Christ Jesus?Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.John 6: 35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.How can you say you are not preaching another spirit other than the Spirit you had already received if you preach another baptism of the Holy Spirit?Don't you know there are other tongues in the world that is just gibberish? Tongues are a sign for the unbelievers.. not for the believers to know they have the Holy Spirit. Tongues were giving the wonderful works of God in foreign languages to unbelievers. To seek tongues as a sign that you are saved after you believed in Jesus, then that is alike committing spiritual adultery in seeking another filling of the "Spirit" to get this tongues which the world also gets by going after the spirits of the world.That is why all invitations points to Jesus. None to the Holy Spirit. It is by Jesus we receive the Spirit as promised.Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.Colossians 2: 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:So this "need" for a continual filling of the "Spirit" is not the Gospel, but preaching another spirit and it is of the world as evident as the tongues of the world is gibberish, having no interpretor thus an unbiblical tongue.You need to strive ye to enter through that straight gate, TallMan. That straight gate is Jesus Christ. You need to get out of that false teaching and way of life because that is not preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That is exalting something else in His name for salvation and that is just as wrong as catholicism. Decide this day Whom you are going to serve, the Lord Jesus Christ... or something else in His name. Even I referred to the Lord Jesus Christ, but I still needed Him to help me do that for there is no power in that decision of man... only by the faith in Christ Jesus in trusting Him to be My Good Shepherd. I am where I am today because of Him, thanks be to Jesus!! AMEN! And you are so going to need Him to be able to take a step back and discern what you are actually saying in how that is NOT the simplicity of the Gospel AND you are going to need Him to withdraw from it also to rest in Jesus and His promises to us. Amen.Hebrews 4: 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.The purpose of the site is to expose false teachings. It doesn't matter about the British Israel/ the Christian Identity Connection because we are identified as His by faith WITHOUT anything else for it is by faith in His righteousness we are identified by.Romans 3: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. I don't see getting another filling of the Spirit with evidence of tongues as an act of man to obtain when we are to rest in Him by faith.Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen....6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. So where is your faith in this saying?Romans 10: 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.Ephesians 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Kind of hard for you to claim this verse above if you say God's way of salvation is through the constant filling of the spirit with speaking in tongues.Have you not heard Whirlwind's confession of faith?Romans 10: 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.You need to depart from the practises that deny Him, TallMan. Call on Jesus for help today.
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That site is just more BI bashing IMO. Whenever this subject is not understood, the accusation is that the people are "racist". Nobody actually taught me about lost tribes. I knew they were lost by simply reading the bible. I just did not know where they went until I heard teaching about scriptures that stated their characteristics. I simply wanted to know where they ended up. Racist ideas were the furthest thing from my mind.When the term "racist" comes up, it's a very strongly emotionally charged word, and nobody wants to be one, as if the accusation will shame people out of believing in BI. However, emotionalism will not save a person no matter how noble it seems to be. What matters to God is truth, and He said He would watch over His people and that Israel would never cease from being a nation before him. Call it racist if one wants, but take up the attitude with God instead of those that believe in BI; He's the one that made things turn out with the lost tribes the way they did.I don't know about anyone else, but I want to believe in the real truth instead of joining the emotionally charged mindless bandwagon of perceived truth. I have YET to hear the BI bashers tell me an acceptable interpretation of the scriptures that support BI teaching. You know what? They have no answers and basically water those scriptures down by reinterpreting them to fit their notions or sweeping them under the rug---- and then have the gall to say that BI is unbiblical.
(TallMan;25054)
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
There you go again Gods word has nothing to do with your Babble everytime I think you can have a reasonable biblical conversation you reduce the Word to tounges there is no unknown tongue in Gods Word. I ask again do you have any religion or faith out side of Babble (confusion)John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. He shall teach all things, help you remember all things, what pray tell does this Holy spirit have to do with your babble that no one understands???
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
There you go again Gods word has nothing to do with your Babble everytime I think you can have a reasonable biblical conversation you reduce the Word to tounges there is no unknown tongue in Gods Word. I ask again do you have any religion or faith out side of Babble (confusion)John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. He shall teach all things, help you remember all things, what pray tell does this Holy spirit have to do with your babble that no one understands???
Hi tim_from_pa,
That site is just more BI bashing IMO. Whenever this subject is not understood, the accusation is that the people are "racist". Nobody actually taught me about lost tribes. I knew they were lost by simply reading the bible. I just did not know where they went until I heard teaching about scriptures that stated their characteristics. I simply wanted to know where they ended up.
All I see is that racism has sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI.The other site questions the actual source of BI.http://www.seekgod.ca/identity.htmWhat I found interesting is how the doctrine of the "serpent seed" has come out of BI by the false teachers. I thought the serpent seed of the kenites was similar to what I read in a KKK pamphlet way back when I came across it.I'm identified by faith in Jesus Christ. Everything else is just a distraction and soon to be moot anyway.
That site is just more BI bashing IMO. Whenever this subject is not understood, the accusation is that the people are "racist". Nobody actually taught me about lost tribes. I knew they were lost by simply reading the bible. I just did not know where they went until I heard teaching about scriptures that stated their characteristics. I simply wanted to know where they ended up.
All I see is that racism has sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI.The other site questions the actual source of BI.http://www.seekgod.ca/identity.htmWhat I found interesting is how the doctrine of the "serpent seed" has come out of BI by the false teachers. I thought the serpent seed of the kenites was similar to what I read in a KKK pamphlet way back when I came across it.I'm identified by faith in Jesus Christ. Everything else is just a distraction and soon to be moot anyway.
What do kennites have to do with this? They are jews who say they are Jews but are not (they are not Jews they just traveled and lived among them to work against them ) KKK just hates Jews ,Blacks and everyone they dont deem white enough I think you have gotten a confused idea of kennites (they are just the descendants of Cain who work against Gods plan and for Satan's they could be anybody anyplace)just because I believe there were descants of Cain I'm not obsessed with them in this day an age there is so much evil and false teaching only the good lord knows who's what
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All I see is that racism has sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI.
Geee. That's too bad. It's a shame that most people can't handle truth. David Koresh caused quite a stir over the book of Revelation, and all I see from Revelation is end-time nuts, so by the same reasoning, I guess the book of Revelation must be false doctrine even though it quotes Jesus. Yeah.... let's do the "correct" thing and dump it when it causes a little stir. We don't want to upset anyone.
All I see is that racism has sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI.
Geee. That's too bad. It's a shame that most people can't handle truth. David Koresh caused quite a stir over the book of Revelation, and all I see from Revelation is end-time nuts, so by the same reasoning, I guess the book of Revelation must be false doctrine even though it quotes Jesus. Yeah.... let's do the "correct" thing and dump it when it causes a little stir. We don't want to upset anyone.
Hi kriss,
What do kennites have to do with this?
Just only in relation to the serpent seed teaching. No good tree wil produce an evil fruit and no evil tree will produce a good fruit. This is seperate from BI teaching, of course.As far as the real kennites apart from the seprent seed teaching, I got nothing to say against them. They seem to treat the Israelites well as far as the Bible testified of.
What do kennites have to do with this?
Just only in relation to the serpent seed teaching. No good tree wil produce an evil fruit and no evil tree will produce a good fruit. This is seperate from BI teaching, of course.As far as the real kennites apart from the seprent seed teaching, I got nothing to say against them. They seem to treat the Israelites well as far as the Bible testified of.
Hi tim_from_pa,
Geee. That's too bad. It's a shame that most people can't handle truth. David Koresh caused quite a stir over the book of Revelation, and all I see from Revelation is end-time nuts, so by the same reasoning, I guess the book of Revelation must be false doctrine even though it quotes Jesus. Yeah.... let's do the "correct" thing and dump it when it causes a little stir. We don't want to upset anyone.
Being how Revelation is scriptures, I believe you exaggerated to the point of sarcasm to make your point, so please try again in a more realistic comparison for I fail to see your point. Anyone can quote Jesus and misuse it by what? Adding to His words or applying it wrong. So it is with creating the serpent seed teaching. As far as BI goes, when I said that racism sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI, I should have made my statement clearer by saying BI, by itself is not the source of racism, but the origin of BI is in question as provided at the link I gave you in the last post to you.Again, the whole issue of the BI is moot and scriptures says so.Colossians 3: 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.Matthew 12: 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.Sorry to upset you, brother. But I believed it was important to see the origins of teachings that we have accepted without discerning them by the scriptures as well as where it originated from... and who.
Geee. That's too bad. It's a shame that most people can't handle truth. David Koresh caused quite a stir over the book of Revelation, and all I see from Revelation is end-time nuts, so by the same reasoning, I guess the book of Revelation must be false doctrine even though it quotes Jesus. Yeah.... let's do the "correct" thing and dump it when it causes a little stir. We don't want to upset anyone.
Being how Revelation is scriptures, I believe you exaggerated to the point of sarcasm to make your point, so please try again in a more realistic comparison for I fail to see your point. Anyone can quote Jesus and misuse it by what? Adding to His words or applying it wrong. So it is with creating the serpent seed teaching. As far as BI goes, when I said that racism sprouted around the BI and through the use of BI, I should have made my statement clearer by saying BI, by itself is not the source of racism, but the origin of BI is in question as provided at the link I gave you in the last post to you.Again, the whole issue of the BI is moot and scriptures says so.Colossians 3: 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.Matthew 12: 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.Sorry to upset you, brother. But I believed it was important to see the origins of teachings that we have accepted without discerning them by the scriptures as well as where it originated from... and who.
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Again, the whole issue of the BI is moot and scriptures says so.
Just so you know, my sarcasm was not directed at you personally. It is generic sarcasm to address any of the critics.Moot means debatable. Well, people have debated over the tribes, and my belief is that different theories arise because there are degrees that scripture is misunderstood, or maybe not all of it is taken into consideration.However, that being said, God's Word very clearly tells us that Abraham's seed were going to be the vehicle to bring the gospel to the world. This would be accomplished by the birthright tribe becoming many nations for starters. This to me is a very major doctrine (as opposed to the gospel being entrusted to non-Israelite Gentiles) and the chosen seed cast away. If that were the case, then God effectively did to Israel what Moses begged God not to do in the days of their journey to the promised land, i.e. destroy them lest the nations said that God could not bring what He said to pass. So it is the same here as well. If Abraham's seed were to be a blessing to the world, and it did not come to pass, then a major covenant was broken, and included in that covenant was the promise of Messiah.Therefore, I am not sure what scripture you are referring to that says this is a moot topic. I know scripture that says they will be called "not my people" and therefore not obvious. But the bible gives the clues and after a certain prophetic timeframe, the revelation came to them as the bible indicated.
Just so you know, my sarcasm was not directed at you personally. It is generic sarcasm to address any of the critics.Moot means debatable. Well, people have debated over the tribes, and my belief is that different theories arise because there are degrees that scripture is misunderstood, or maybe not all of it is taken into consideration.However, that being said, God's Word very clearly tells us that Abraham's seed were going to be the vehicle to bring the gospel to the world. This would be accomplished by the birthright tribe becoming many nations for starters. This to me is a very major doctrine (as opposed to the gospel being entrusted to non-Israelite Gentiles) and the chosen seed cast away. If that were the case, then God effectively did to Israel what Moses begged God not to do in the days of their journey to the promised land, i.e. destroy them lest the nations said that God could not bring what He said to pass. So it is the same here as well. If Abraham's seed were to be a blessing to the world, and it did not come to pass, then a major covenant was broken, and included in that covenant was the promise of Messiah.Therefore, I am not sure what scripture you are referring to that says this is a moot topic. I know scripture that says they will be called "not my people" and therefore not obvious. But the bible gives the clues and after a certain prophetic timeframe, the revelation came to them as the bible indicated.
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It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
I have never spoken in "tongues," nor have I heard anyone do so. I don't believe it is necessary for salvation nor do I believe it is what Christ united Jew and Gentile with. So...in answer to your question, No I'm not faithful to that...because I don't believe it is God's way of salvation.I don't mean that to sound harsh. If others "speak in tongues" that is fine with me it's just that I don't think it is necessary in order to be part of the family of God. :angel9:.........Whirlwind
It's through faith .. . the faith in God and of God through receiving the infilling of God's Spirit.1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . . that's the infilling of the Spirit, speaking in tongues that Jesus united all his disciples (Jew and Gentile) with.Have you received that Whirlwind?And are you faithful to that as God's way of salvation?
I have never spoken in "tongues," nor have I heard anyone do so. I don't believe it is necessary for salvation nor do I believe it is what Christ united Jew and Gentile with. So...in answer to your question, No I'm not faithful to that...because I don't believe it is God's way of salvation.I don't mean that to sound harsh. If others "speak in tongues" that is fine with me it's just that I don't think it is necessary in order to be part of the family of God. :angel9:.........Whirlwind
Tallman,Hi!My friend Whirlwind was really gentle with you! I have a story for you.When I was in college I was invited to a home pentecostal church. My best friend and I went. They started babbling out of their mouths and my friend and I ran out of there. It was hilarious! I knew instinctively that was not of my GOD.Thank GOD I have learned that there is 1 cloven tongue of the Holy Spirit( Acts 2 and Joel2) that will come out of the mouths of the elect that are delivered up to the synagogue of Satan ( Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21). This tongue will be heard and understood down to the dialect of the county each person is from as it happened in Acts 2.I have also learned that the word tongues in the NT other than the one we just discussed means lanquage, specifically one naturally unaquired (#1100 Strong's Concordance Greek dictionary). Please read all of 1 Cor 14. It specifically addresses that if you are teaching to a church with a different language (one naturally unacquired), you will want to bring an interpreter ( that speaks the church's lanquage) so that GOD's word can be understood. This is the goal as Paul so appropriately explains in 1 Cor 14:20" Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding,that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."So much for babble!Hope this helps!Blessed1195
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