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    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Ezekiel 15:1-5 O man; how is the vine better than any other tree? Is it’s wood useful for anything? After it has been put on the fire, is the charred remainder good for anything useful? Ezekiel 19:14, Jeremiah 5:10-13, Isaiah 29:13-14, Psalm 80

    Israel is the vine – Isaiah 5:7, then Isaiah 5:8-30, goes on to say how those who disobey God’s Laws will face judgement by fire. Romans 1:18, Hebrews 12:29, Isaiah 66:15-17, +

    Ezekiel 15:6-8 Therefore this is what the Lord says: As I have given the wood of the vine as fuel for the fire, so will I treat the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I have set My face against them and although they have come out of one fire, another fire will devour them. You will know that I am the Lord Almighty, when I judge them and make the Land desolate, because they have been unfaithful. Jeremiah 4:5-9, Jeremiah 5:26-31, Isaiah 6:11-13

    These verses say that as the Lord will judge the House of Israel, so too will the House of Judah- the Jewish people, be judged and punished. ‘ they have come out of one fire, but another will devour them.’ This is another dual prophecy, as the Roman conquest has partially fulfilled it, but ‘You will know that I am the Lord’, did not happen after that, and now the atheistic and apostate State of Israel will face the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, an explosion of the suns surface, that will destroy all of the Lord’s enemies and will ‘make the Land desolate’, Isaiah 26:11, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 22:6-7
    But soon to be regenerated. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Joel 2:21-24, Psalms 128:1-5

    Ezekiel 20:46-48 O man, prophecy against the Negev: I am about to kindle a fire in you, its unquenchable flames will burn everyone from to Negev to the North……
    Ezekiel 21:1-7 O man, prophecy against Jerusalem and the Land of Israel. I will take My Sword, [flashing like lightning; Ezekiel 21:15b & 28b] and I intend to make away with both the righteous and wicked in all the Holy Land. All the world will know this is My Judgement and their courage will fail. See: it is coming and in an instant it will strike!
    Isaiah 29:13-14, Isaiah 64:10-11, Joel 1:14-15, Jeremiah 4:19-20, Jeremiah 25:30-38, 2 Thess. 1:7-8, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Rev. 14:18

    Then those who are left in the world – ‘the charred remainder’, after the terrible fires, earthquakes and storms of this massive CME sunstrike, those who trust the Lord and who call upon Him for their salvation, they have these promises;

    Psalm 85:9 Certainly His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will again appear in our Land. Psalm 102:12-17, Ezekiel 43:2

    Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion: the Lord’s people, rejoice. Your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will have plenty and prosperity in your Land. Then you will know that I am with you and that I and no other am your God. Isaiah 62:1-5, Jer. 30 & 31, Amos 9:13-15, Zechariah 10:6-12

    Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will come back and enter the Land with shouts of triumph. Happiness and joy will come upon them and suffering will flee away.

    Malachi 4:2-3 But for you who fear My Name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings....the wicked will be as ashes under your feet.

    1 Peter 1:5 Because you have put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.
    Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. some verses condensed.
     
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    Wait for the Day

    Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

    Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

    Zephaniah 2:1-3 Prepare yourselves, you undesirable nation, be humble before you disappear like chaff, before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you. Seek righteousness; seek humility, all you people in the Land who obey God’s Laws and it may be that you will find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

    Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. The sea coast will become a sheep grazing area belonging to the survivors of Judah, for their God will turn to them and restore their fortunes. Isaiah 14-1, Ezekiel 36:1-37

    Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have noted the insults of Moab and the Ammonites, how they have reviled My people and encroached on their frontiers. For this, I swear, they will become like Sodom and Gomorrah, a place of weeds and salt pans. Those of My people who survive will inherit their land. This is retribution for their pride, because they have insulted God’s people and taken over their Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 2:1-5

    Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall rid you of your proud and arrogant citizens, but I will leave a remnant, a humble people who will trust in Me. The survivors in Israel will be righteous, under My protection. Isaiah 31:5

    Zephaniah 3:19-20 When the time comes and I have dealt with your oppressors, then I shall rescue the lost and gather the dispersed and bring you all to your homeland. You will win respect and renown from the other nations when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes, It is I, the Lord, who speaks. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.


    Wait for the Day; the whole earth burned and devastated. The only known way how this could happen, is by a massive Coronal Mass Ejection, a fire judgement mentioned and described over 100 times in Bible prophecy. It will be the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpected and shocking. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1

    You undesirable nation – the Israelite people: now that is, every born again Christian. It may be that those who live righteously and humbly will ‘find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.’ 2 Peter 2:9

    Philistines and Moab and Ammon – Palestinians and Jordanians. Amos 1:6-8 & 13-14,Ezekiel 21:28-32

    leave a remnant in Jerusalem, under My protectionIsaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

    rescue the lost....bring you home – The great gathering of all the faithful Christian peoples, prophesied more than 40 times, to happen soon after this forthcoming, worldwide fire judgement. They will live in the promised Land, under God’s protection and when the Anti Christ comes to Jerusalem, Daniel 11:31-32, Revelation 13:7, they are taken to a place of safety until the Return of Jesus.
     
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    Enemies Occupy the Holy Land:

    Isaiah 66:5-6 Hear the Word of the Lord, you who revere His Name and keep His commandments. Those scoffers who say: Where is the Lord? When will your so-called God do anything? They will be shocked, for with a great noise His retribution will fall upon them. 2 Peter 3:3-10

    Isaiah 63:18 Why have ungodly people trespassed on Your holy place? Why do enemies trample the holy Land? Psalms 37:10-11, Jeremiah 6:12

    Jeremiah 12:8-17 Is this Land of Mine a hyena’s lair? The birds of prey and the wild beasts have taken My holy Land over, they ravage it and trample it down, making it a desolation, to My sorrow. The Lord says: I shall uproot all those evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land that I allotted to My people. Judah too, I shall uproot, but if any of them learn the right ways of My people, then they can join and live again in the holy Land. My sword of punishment will devour the Land from end to end, no living thing will remain there. Hosea 4:3, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 6:11-13

    Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares his weapons again, but it is against himself that he has made ready his deadly shafts, tipped with fire. They are all in collusion with iniquity and sinfulness, their plans for violence and terror will fall upon their own heads. Joel 3:4

    Psalms 68:1-3 May God arise and His enemies be scattered. He will disperse them like smoke. His fire will melt them like wax and they will perish in the heat of His wrath, but the righteous will be joyful, as they exult in the triumph of their God.

    Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant, punishment will come from God Almighty with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storm tempest and flames of devouring fire. The horde of your enemies will crumble into dust, that multitude of ruthless foes will scatter like chaff. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17


    Micah 5:7-15 All the remnant of the descendants of Jacob, now dispersed among the nations, will become like dew from the Lord, they will look only to Him who saves them. Their enemy’s will be destroyed, but on that Day their military power will be lost, all the occult followers will die and any things of idol worship will be gone. Amos 9:10 In anger and fury the Lord will wreak vengeance on all the peoples who disobey Him. Isaiah 66:15-17

    Zechariah 8:11-13 The Lord says: I do not feel the same now toward the remnant of My people, as I did in former days. Hosea 11:8-11 Now I shall save you and bless you, you will work the Land in safety, the sky will give rain and the soil will yield abundant produce. Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:23-27, Amos 9:13-15, Jer. 30:18-22 Ref: REB abridged and paraphrased.


    Birds of prey and wild beasts have taken over My Land… and the evil neighbours… These are metaphors for the ungodly peoples who are now living in the holy Land.

    The enemies deadly shafts, tipped with fire – an ancient description for a modern weapon: a nuke tipped missile. It is against themselves they have prepared their weapons and they will fall onto their own heads. Psalms 64:1-10, Habakkuk 3:3-14

    All the weapons ready to fire at Israel will explode on the launch pad or in their bunkers. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come in the heat of the Lord’s wrath, causing earthquakes with flames of fire that will burn His enemies to ashes. As described here and throughout the Bible, this will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, a huge unprecedented explosion of the suns surface, that will fulfill all the graphic prophecies about the Lord’s judgement by fire. Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1 & 3

    But the punishment by exile of the Lord’s people, now every faithful Christian, will be completed and the Lord will save and bless them. They will go to their inheritance, all that area promised to Abraham, cleansed from end to end by this terrible devastation by fire.

    Many prophecies tell about the great second Exodus of the Christian Israelites to the holy Land, where they will work the Land in safety, being a light to the nations, Matthew 5:14-16, all as originally meant for them. Isaiah 49:3-8 They will send out 144,000 missionaries to tell the world the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:18b-21
     
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    Isaiah 30:1-14 The Lord says; woe to Israel, a race of rebels who refuse His Laws. They ask for preachers to ‘give us smooth words and illusions’. ALL Israel; Judah, plus the 10 tribes still in exile.

    Isaiah 30:15-18 These are the words of the Lord; In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust.
    But you would have none of it, therefore you will be put to flight.
    Yet the Lord is waiting to show you His favor and compassion, for He is a God of justice. Happy are all who wait for Him! Luke 12:37

    Isaiah 30:19-24 People of Zion, weep no more. The Lord will answer you when you call for help. He gives you adversity and affliction now, but your teachers will no longer be hidden from you, you will see them with your own eyes. If you stray from the right path, you will hear a voice behind you saying- ‘this is the Way, follow it’. You will loath your images and will treat your idols [sorcery, false religions, materialism, etc] like filth. Hosea 14:8 & Ezekiel 11:18

    The Lord will give rain and the Land will produce rich crops. Your livestock will prosper. Isaiah 41:17-19 & Ezekiel 34:14-16


    Isaiah 30:25-28 On the Day of slaughter, when fortresses fall, streams of water will flow from every hill. The moon will shine like the sun and sunlight will be seven times brighter on the Day the Lord heals the wounds of His people. Isaiah 63:4

    See the Lord Himself comes from afar, with anger and wrath, in dense clouds of smoke. His breath is a rushing torrent, He shakes the nations in a sieve of destruction. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 6:12-17


    Isaiah 30:29-33Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty and reveal His arm descending in fierce anger, with devouring flames, thunder and hail. Hebrews 10:27
    For at His voice, Assyria’s strength fails, His punishing Rod strikes them down. A fire pit is prepared by Jerusalem, ready for the Lord to set it ablaze with His breath, like a stream of burning Sulphur. Ezekiel 20:47-48
    But for you there will be songs and gladness of heart as you march to music, on the way to the Mountain of the Lord.
    Zechariah 10:10-12, Psalms 68:7-12
    Ref, REB some verses abridged


    Verse 10 is appropriate for our days, as false religions, prosperity theology, etc. are preached everywhere. Hosea 4:7-11

    Verses 25-28 & 30-33 the Lords Day of vengeance, a fire judgement on His enemies, as we are told in verse 26, will be a massive explosion of the sun that will literally fulfil all the prophesies about that Day. Revelation 6:12-17
    Isaiah 51:4-8, Hosea 2:14-23, Ezekiel 37 & 20:34-38 Joel 2:1-2, 2 Peter 3:7

    Verse 29 Then 'you', every faithful Christian; will gather into all of the Promised Land. Jeremiah 33:6-14, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35

    Verses 19-24 are for the period after His people, all faithful Christians, are resettled in the Land. They will have God given leaders and teachers to guide them until Jesus Returns. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
     
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    This has been well thought out. Do you think this is part of the 7 thunderings in Revelation 10:7?
     
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    No, it happens before that.
    The Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath is the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event we can expect. After it, we will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, +

    Here is more details about it:
    THE LORDS WRATH – how will it happen?
    This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
    Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
    Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
    Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
    Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
    Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
    Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
    Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
    Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.

    Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
    Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
    Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
    Isaiah 30:26 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
    See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
    Isaiah 63:1-6

    What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
    Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
    All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

    A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion and all our satellites would fall like ripe figs. Revelation 6:12-17
     
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    The Earth will Burn: 2 Peter 3:7, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zeph. 3:8, Isaiah 33:10-12

    In ancient times, God promised to Noah that He would never again destroy the earth with a flood. Genesis 9:11 But we see in Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 22, God has kept in His storehouse a judgement of fire prepared and ready for His Day of vengeance. As we are once again ‘as in the days of Noah’, this terrible and devastating Day of fires, storms and earthquakes will soon strike the world, it will be the next prophesied event that will commence all that must happen, leading up to the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

    Psalms 46:1-11 The Lord is our refuge and stronghold, He will help us in trouble, so we are not afraid when the earth is shaking and the mountains move; when the waves of the sea roar and the earth is quaking before the Lords majesty. Nations are in an uproar and kingdoms fall when the Lord thunders; the earth burns.
    Come and see what the Lord has done, the desolation He has brought on the earth. He makes wars to cease throughout the world, He breaks the bow, snaps the spear and burns the chariots in the fire.

    There is a river whose flow brings joy to the city of God, the holy Place of the Most High. The Lord is within her, she will not be overthrown and at the break of Day, He will come to her aid.
    Be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the nations and revered throughout the world. The Lord Almighty is with us, the God of Jacob is our Rock.


    This describes how the Lord will judge and punish the nations and ‘the desolation He will bring to the earth’. He will destroy all weapons of war and military forces will be neutralized or wiped out, but the Lord promises ‘to be a refuge’ to His people, when at the ‘break of day, the sea roars, the earth quakes and burns’. It is His great Day of vengeance and wrath, a massive explosion of the suns surface that will bring about all the vividly described effects. We are warned to be prepared for that terrible Day, but our only true protection will be our faith and trust in the Lord. Isaiah 30:15 & 18

    Isaiah 9:18-19 The ungodly will be set ablaze, as a fire that consumes briars and thorns. It sets the forests on fire and all is wrapped in a pall of smoke.

    The land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people will be fuel for the fire. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27

    Psalms 50:3-5 The Lord is coming and will not remain silent. A consuming fire runs ahead of Him and all around a great storm rages. He calls to the heavens above and the earth below, that He may judge His people.

    Gather to Me, My loyal servants, those who have made a Covenant with Me by sacrifice. 1 Peter 3:17 Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.


    This is not the Return of Jesus in His glory, that cannot happen until the Anti-Christ is revealed. 2 Thess. 2:3 It will be the Lord’s judgement and punishment of the nations, Psalms 110:5-6, Habakkuk 3:12, and all the world will be affected. It will be triggered by an attack on the State of Israel by an Islamic confederation. Psalms 83

    The Lord’s people will be judged, Jeremiah 46:27-28, 1 Peter 4:17 and those who are His ‘loyal servants’, will be protected. Zechariah 9:15-16, Joel 3:16, Psalms 37:9, Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Thess.1:6-10
     
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    If the few who are righteous (by faith)

    are "just barely saved", as written in Scripture,

    what will become of the whole wicked world /society?
     
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    Most people will survive the forthcoming Lords Day of fiery wrath. Only the Middle East region will be virtually depopulated. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18
    We will all know what is coming, as the main mass of a CME takes at least a day to arrive after the initial explosion. There will be time to take cover. Revelation 6:15-16
    The survivors will form a World Government, but we Christians will not be part of it, as we go to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
     
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    Keraz the sun is not far from us (research flat earth) as there are videos taken above the clouds showing local (close) sun spot on top of the clouds indicating the sun is close and not as large as we have been told. Also believe your theory that the sun is going to explode is not scriptural.
     
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    Isaiah 30:26a says; the sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness..... This can only be explained by a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion on the suns surface. Which would cause the moon to reflect bright red and also a big CME will cause all the other vividly described effects. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 66:15-17, eic, and change the world as we know it.

    As for 'flat earth theories' and a close sun, you can keep them to yourself.
     
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    I am wondering and have considered that this might mean that the whole earth will experience devastation by fire but not at once but rather collectively.
    https://nypost.com/2019/12/16/this-is-how-much-of-earth-was-on-fire-in-2019/
    A shocking video has revealed the scale of wildfires that raged across our planet in 2019.

    Dangerous and fast-spreading fires scorched huge areas of the planet on almost every continent.
     
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    No, those wildfires are just a consequence of the generally drier conditions and the over population of the planet.

    When it is understood what the Lord intends to use on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, then it can be seen how the graphically described prophesies will be literally fulfilled.

    As Bible prophecy does tell us that a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the sun’s surface is what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-2, Malachi 4:1, +, we should know what a CME is and what it can do.
    Briefly: On the Appointed Day, Isaiah 10:17, the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. The initial super bright flash and the Electro- Magnetic Pulse will arrive here within 8 minutes, causing armed nuke weapons to explode, Jeremiah 49:35, and all electrical systems will be destroyed. The EMP microwave effect will also cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22 - severe worldwide earthquakes.
    The sun will be darkened by being obscured by the approaching mass and the moon will shine bright red from the reflection of the sun being seven times brighter.
    24 hours after the explosion, the main mass will strike the earth, directly onto the Middle East, Zephaniah 2:4, wiping out the entire population, excepting a small remnant in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4, Jeremiah 10:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18;+ [God's perfect solution to the ME crisis]
    But as the earth is rotating and moving at 66,000mph on its orbital track, it quickly moves away and the rest of the world won't be so badly affected. The survivor's will form a One World Government, but we Christians will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10

    The great Day of the Lord's wrath; the Sixth Seal, will come upon everyone the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35 Proved by how Revelation 6:15 covers every person. Isaiah 24:1-2, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
    No one will be taken away before this great test of our faith, 1 Peter 4:12, we will all see the cosmic effects and experience the devastation of that Day. Jeremiah 25:29-33
    There are some signs to happen before that Day, we should know about. The 'sign of the fig tree budding', has occurred with the Jews establishing their own State in a part of the holy Land. Jesus said: the generation that see’s this, will live to see it all. Matthew 24:32-34, Ezekiel 12:25
    Another prophecy that requires fulfilment before that Day, is Isaiah 3:1-7 and it may be that Micah 5:1 will precede it.

    Isaiah 3:1-7 is specifically about Judah and Jerusalem. It says that they will lose their good leaders and the Lord will appoint incompetent youths to govern.
    This prophecy has not been fulfilled as Written, so must belong to the present day. Judah is a nation, they control Jerusalem and they have a strong and experienced leader in Benyamin Netanyahu. If anything happened to him, they would be in disarray.
    Micah 5:1, is an interesting verse without any context to help explain it, says how Israel's ruler will be struck on the cheek with a rod. A 'rod' is a slang term for a rifle and today it is possible for a sniper to accurately hit people at ranges of up to 2 miles.

    The world is plainly, as in the days of Noah, as they and now we; think is normal life. BUT they and now the modern world, have sidelined their Creator. People say 'there is no God' and the bulk of humans, just ignore the One true God and worship materialism, idols or false gods. God will correct the situation; He did so before and He will do it again!
    Isaiah 3:8-26, goes on to tell how rebel Judah will be brought low; the look on their faces testifies against them! Amazing prophecy, that perfectly fits the arrogant, LGBT and 'stiff necked' people who live in Israel now.
    The Lord says: on that Day, I will take away your pride, instead of perfume there will be the stink of decay.....your men will fall by the Sword of the Lord and Zion will be stripped bare. Wait for the Day!
     
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    Revelation 6:12-17
    12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
    13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
    14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
    15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
    16 and said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
    17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”

    You really cannot get away from God. Who is sitting on the throne? Who is brilliant light that can be turned up to a searing heat?

    As you can see, the sun and moon are "turned off". The sky is rolled back like a tuna can being opened, and the tuna will be fried...

    God is on the throne, and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) is by God's side.
     
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    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in His holy Temple, in heaven. He looks at mankind and weighs the just and the wicked. He will rain fiery coals and brimstone upon the wicked, scorching winds will destroy them.

    This and the 100 other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, shows that the Lord is not seen on that Day. He will use the sun to literally fulfil them all.
    This is so the survivors can call it a natural event and many of them will worship the 'beast'. Revelation 13:8
     
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    You can deny chapter 6 all you want, but you will go through it to get to the rest of the book one way or the other.
     
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    Please explain yourself better. What you say is not rational or proper discussion.

    I agree that Revelation 6:12-17 is the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. Over 100 other prophesies clearly detail what will happen on that Day.
    The ONLY thing that can and will cause all the prophesied effects, is an earth directed explosion of the suns surface.
     
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    Chapter 6 is just the judgment on the church. Then the church will be taken away.

    The claim is that everything in the field, both wheat and tares are harvested at the same time. Yes, but it happens for 3 years. And you do not burn up the wheat in the process.
    The wheat is gathered bit by bit, while the tares are burned away. The church is the first gathering.
     
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    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    The Bible never says that God will take the Church away.
    We have His Commission; Matthew 28:19-20 It is never rescinded.

    During the forthcoming Sixth Seal world wide devastation by fire, all who stand firm in faith and trust the Lords protection, will be saved. Isaiah 43:2
     
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    What? There are a lot of verses that claim that God takes the church from the earth.

    How can a groom have a wedding without a bride? The bride leaves and then the friends of the bride. It is the whole entourage that comes back in the Second Coming.

    That is like saying Jesus on Palm Sunday had no disciples in Jerusalem that came with him into Jerusalem. They were not with Jesus during that whole week. He could only bring the disciples to Jerusalem after He died and rose again on the next Sunday.
     
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