The Holy People and the Treaty

[Spiritual Israelite]

Understanding, logic and common sense, are far from you.

LOL. You complain about me and you say rude things like this. You are such a hypocrite.

It seems that your thinking is - we don't have any future events, its all allegorical, spiritual or history.

You seem to have a problem with spiritual things which is very troubling. I have said that I believe things like significantly increased persecution, apostasy, deception and wickedness are things that would be signs of Jesus's soon return, but you try to say that I don't believe in any future events just because I don't try to interpret the Bible using the current daily news like you do.

I know you believe Jesus will Return, but nothing before that and KABOOM; nothing after that.

What a lie! I have told you recently that I believe things like significantly increased persecution, apostasy, deception and wickedness are things that would be signs of Jesus's soon return and then you say nonsense like this. What is wrong with you? Why do you have no conscience about lying?

This belief is just 'head in the sand' stuff and says to God; I don't care for Your warnings and extensive information of what You Plan.

LOL. The warnings given in scripture about things that would be signs of His soon return are given in passages like Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 24:23-26 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Increased persecution, apostasy, deception and wickedness. You completely ignore all that! You focus on nuclear missiles instead! What a joke that is! Spiritual things mean nothing to you. Only physical disasters mean anything to you.

That attitude is OK for you, but to promote it and to say how those who do believe the Prophesies, are dumb, is another matter.

When did I say you are dumb? Nowhere. You have called my beliefs dumb at times and I think some of your beliefs are dumb as well. Notice I'm talking about our beliefs or doctrine here and not about us as human beings. But, it's okay for you to disparage my doctrine, but I can't do the same when I think you share a belief that makes no sense?

 

[Zao is life]

I agree that Keraz is correct.

Confusing? Your reply takes the cake!
Maybe you could take a few pointers from Keraz.

LOL. Maybe your view about Revelation 12 is the same as his and you have built your castles of sand upon it equally enthusiastically.

Maybe you could take a few pointers from scripture instead of from other humans and your own imagination. Revelation 12 never even implies or gives any hint that the things it is talking about are still to take place. But it does imply that the war in heaven took place when Christ was caught up to God and his throne, and everything followed from there.

I realize that no one can stop yourself, @Davy or @Keraz from inserting your own private interpretations into prophetic scripture. You've made it very clear - so clear that I can almost see the sign you have up: "Mind closed about this until further notice".

 

[Davy]

Why do people not see the Bible as absolutely clear on the truth of the Lord's holy peoples being in the holy Land before the Return?
Consider Daniel 7:23-25, paralleled by Revelation 13:7, where God's people are defeated by the armies of the Anti-Christ. Where does this happen? We are told in Revelation 11:1-8...in the Holy City, where the Lord was crucified. Zechariah 14:1-2 and Daniel 11:29-35, also describe this 3 1/2 year period of traumatic testing for the people of the Lord, WHO ARE IN THE HOLY LAND AT THAT TIME.
Revelation 12:1-17 is very informative and gives more details of this 3 1/2, 42 month or 1260 day period: that chapter tell us that Satan will be thrown out of the spiritual realm and will come to earth, his angels with him. He pursues the 'woman', that we know must refer to all righteous Christian Israel. Israelites as per Galatians 3:26-29. They are at that time; living in peace and prosperity in the holy Land, as many prophesies describe. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, + The new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5

The 'many' who had agreed to a peace treaty with the Anti-Christ, the leader of the One World Government, Daniel 9:27, are those who remain in the Land, Revelation 12:17. But those who refuse to agree with that treaty, referred to as the Treaty of Death; in Isaiah 28:14-15, will leave the holy Land and be taken to a place of safety, where they will be looked after for 1260 days, in a place prepared by God. Revelation 12:6 & 14 This division of the holy peoples, is also Prophesied in Zechariah 14:1-2 and Daniel 11:32

These are Biblical truths, proving the many prophesies about the great Second Exodus of all the Lords people, from every tribe, nation, race and language, Revelation 5:9-10, that will happen before the Return of Jesus. Then, He will destroy those conquerors of the holy Land, along with the rest of those gathered by Satan, Revelation 16:14, and bring all His people back to Jerusalem, Matthew 24:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

That this teaching is not known to most Christians, is how God wanted it to be. Matthew 11:25, Isaiah 42:18-20
But now as we are so close to the time of fulfillment, God is 'opening the eyes and unstopping the ears' of a few who are willing to put aside false teachings and really understand His Plans for our future. Jeremiah 30:24

Your view is... skewed... to a false scenario.

Christ's future gathering of His elect saints does not happen until the very LAST DAY of this present world, on the "day of the Lord" which both Paul and Peter says will come "as a thief in the night", and will involve God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off this earth.

Even in Luke 21:20-21, Lord Jesus commanded those of His in the countries to NOT enter into Jerusalem when Jerusalem is compassed with armies.

So Jerusalem at the end of this world is NOT GOING TO BE THE PLACE TO BE.


And the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is not about some peace treaty.

Per Daniel 11:23, the "vile person" that appears on the scene will make a "league", and come up and be strong with a "small people" (i.e., a small group of world leaders). But that is still not what the "covenant" of Dan.9:27 is about.

Dan 11:28
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
KJV

That above "covenant" is what the Daniel 9:27 confirming of the covenant is actually about. It is the re-establishment of old covenant worship by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. That will involve a 3rd temple built by the Jews in Jerusalem for the end, most likely when the false-Messiah shows up there, and the Jews starting up old covenant temple worship and animal sacrifices again. That is required in order for the Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 verses to take place.

Dan 11:30-31
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV