THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST ***

[Doug]

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul here is not saying the church, the body of Christ, is the bride of Christ. Paul is using espousal to illustrate the faithfulness and purity of the church unto Christ Jesus.

The relationship the church has with Christ is expressed by marriage. Christ is the head of the church just as the husband is head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23).

Paul is admonishing the church for following other apostles and another gospel (2 Corinthians 11:4).

The bride of Christ is a city as seen by Revelation 21:9-10.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hos 2:19, And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
Hos 2:20, I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

 

[Yan]

Because since beginning mankind does not correctly follow the scriptures, then the pattern of this world are fight each other between "prosperity gospel" and "poverty vows". Prosperity gospel accused poverty vows as communism, while poverty vows reject prosperity as the source of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10).
So, which is the most righteous of man's chuch in front of God ?
Protestant claim that this chuch is the most righteous because it follows 10 commandments and strict to the law, while Catholic claim that it follows grace of the Lord only and didn't care about the req of the law because since Jesus came he already cancel the torah and all of its deadly sting (Ephesians 2:14-15).
Now let we see the shortcomings to each respective churches :

Protestant :

• Prosperity gospel ?
  Did prosperity gospel similar to what had been offered by illuminaty ?
  Is that illuminati offering of wealthy and fame are very similar to the devil offerings (Luke 4:6-8) ?
• Worship songs ?
  Did the pop culture replace the altar and make the musician and singer as a new idols ?
  Why did babylonians were reflected with music (Revelation 18:21-22) ?
• Circumcision or Pass thru fire ?
  If cicumcision is only a precondition why did protestant keep this ritual ?
  As we know together circumcision is not from God but from forefathers legacy (John 7:22), and circumcision always related with divination because it needs the serpent/molokh as an assessment tools (Leviticus 18:21; Deuteronomy 18:10-12). Because since Jesus circumcision or not doesn't matter (Galatians 5:2-6; Galatians 6:11-14).

Catholic :

• Idols worshiper ?
  sculpture/statue was claimed as only a reminder of the saints, but all of those tradition came from the greek tradition which always built statue (Deuteronomy 5:8-9, Isaiah 45:20, Leviticus 26:1, Deuteronomy 4:16).
  Does the eye of horus presenting the Christ or Egypt ?
  
• Catholic prayer is not asking protection from Jesus instead of Cherubim and other saints devotion with lengthly prayer (Mark 12:38-40), Is this permissible ?
• They built graveyard only as a museum and treat the saints as a relic (Matthew 23:28-32).

See there is nobody is without sin, all mankind guilty in every ways. But how do we know how we should live righteous before the Lord ?
This is why they always put the annointed as an experiment object to seek the keys of the kingdom, that's why they treat the saints as a monkey business (Monk Key business) until this day, and both catholic & protestant wants to recrucify Jesus by building the third temple in Jerusalem.

 

[justbyfaith]

As we know together circumcision is not from God

Actually God gave circumcision to the patriarchs.

Paul had an issue with circumcising Gentiles because circumcision of the flesh is not a necessary thing to be initiated into the faith of Christ; it is strictly a Jewish observance.

 

[Yan]

Actually God gave circumcision to the patriarchs.

Paul had an issue with circumcising Gentiles because circumcision of the flesh is not a necessary thing to be initiated into the faith of Christ; it is strictly a Jewish observance.

Jewish was close with moslem, and Jewish was also close with protestant, and moslem was all related with Roman in the past. We see how all religion were related to each other and they pushing each other to keep the Jewish tradition on their own people.

Circumcision was taught by forefathers of Abraham which is Terah & Nahor (Joshua 24:2) and they were not from God since they were worshiping the gods of Euphrates river.

 

[Doug]

Hos 2:19, And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
Hos 2:20, I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

Yes, the remnant of Israel will be betrothed to the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, the remnant of Israel will be betrothed to the Lord.

Personally, I believe that Hosea 2:19-20 is a promise for the church.

And, while I cannot at this moment think of any scriptures that tell us that the church is the bride of Christ, this does not preclude that there are no such scriptures that say that the church is the bride of Christ; and it also does not preclude that the church is not the bride of Christ.

 

[marks]

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul here is not saying the church, the body of Christ, is the bride of Christ. Paul is using espousal to illustrate the faithfulness and purity of the church unto Christ Jesus.

The relationship the church has with Christ is expressed by marriage. Christ is the head of the church just as the husband is head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23).

Paul is admonishing the church for following other apostles and another gospel (2 Corinthians 11:4).

The bride of Christ is a city as seen by Revelation 21:9-10.

Yes, while the church is compared to a bride, it is never said to be the bride. Many people skip over that little tidbit. And meanwhile Israel IS said to have been married to God, divorce, and that God will remarry Isreal.

So why wouldn't we think that Israel is in fact the bride?

Many will come from the east and west . . . coordinates never used of heaven, only used on the earth. The wedding feast is not in heaven, but is on the earth, after Jesus returns.

After the bride has made herself ready. Made herself ready? The church is sanctified by Jesus.

Ephesians 5
25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

But of the bride is said, has made herself ready . . . I think this will be fulfilled in the Jews in the wilderness, led by Elijah, turning the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, so that they will say, Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

This relationship with Christ, that we are not His bride, but His body, flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone,

Ephesians 5
29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

For this cause shall a man leave and cleave . . . What cause? That we are members of His body, flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone. No one hates their own body. The care for it, nourish it, and we are members of Christ's body, and He cares for us, and nourishes us.

So because of that, we leave and cleave to our wives. God ordained marraige as an illustration of the unity we have with Christ. Our unity with Christ is the reality for which marraige is to be a shadow.

This great mystery is not that we are to be married to Him, rather, that we are a part of Him.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

How is Israel going to make herself ready?

Can anyone sanctify themselves?

Proverbs 20:9.

 

[Enoch111]

The bride of Christ is a city as seen by Revelation 21:9-10.

Do you realize how ludicrous this sounds?

And have you ever heard the term "personification"?

 

[Doug]

Personally, I believe that Hosea 2:19-20 is a promise for the church.

The scripture identifies who these verse apply to:

[Hos 1:10 KJV] 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.

[Hos 2:1 KJV] 1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.

As for me, I do not see how this could directly apply to the church, however we can learn from this.....how great and merciful the Lord is.

 

[Doug]

Yes, while the church is compared to a bride, it is never said to be the bride. Many people skip over that little tidbit. And meanwhile Israel IS said to have been married to God, divorce, and that God will remarry Isreal.

So why wouldn't we think that Israel is in fact the bride?

Many will come from the east and west . . . coordinates never used of heaven, only used on the earth. The wedding feast is not in heaven, but is on the earth, after Jesus returns.

After the bride has made herself ready. Made herself ready? The church is sanctified by Jesus.

Ephesians 5
25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

But of the bride is said, has made herself ready . . . I think this will be fulfilled in the Jews in the wilderness, led by Elijah, turning the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, so that they will say, Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

This relationship with Christ, that we are not His bride, but His body, flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone,

Ephesians 5
29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

For this cause shall a man leave and cleave . . . What cause? That we are members of His body, flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone. No one hates their own body. The care for it, nourish it, and we are members of Christ's body, and He cares for us, and nourishes us.

So because of that, we leave and cleave to our wives. God ordained marraige as an illustration of the unity we have with Christ. Our unity with Christ is the reality for which marraige is to be a shadow.

This great mystery is not that we are to be married to Him, rather, that we are a part of Him.

Much love!

Yes, everything you said was totally right. Very good insights. Very well said.
Thanks

 

[Doug]

Do you realize how ludicrous this sounds?

And have you ever heard the term "personification"?

You may say to call the bride a city ludicrous, but what does scripture say?

[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

It says it is a city....now all that that entails, I made no comment on. However, there are other passages to consider in regard to this city, such as:

[Rev 21:11, 22-23, 27 KJV] 11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; ... 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. ... 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Truman]

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul here is not saying the church, the body of Christ, is the bride of Christ. Paul is using espousal to illustrate the faithfulness and purity of the church unto Christ Jesus.

The relationship the church has with Christ is expressed by marriage. Christ is the head of the church just as the husband is head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23).

Paul is admonishing the church for following other apostles and another gospel (2 Corinthians 11:4).

The bride of Christ is a city as seen by Revelation 21:9-10.

Hallelujah!
A city adorned as a bride.
The 144,000, of which I am one.

I am what I am, a child of the great I Am,
By the blood of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain.
I'm precious in His sight, the apple of His eye,
I am fearfully and wonderfully made.

A city is only a city when it is populated.
I am of the tribe of Levi.
Shalom.
P.S. I hope you can dig this, Doug! :)

 

[justbyfaith]

The scripture identifies who these verse apply to:

[Hos 1:10 KJV] 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.

[Hos 2:1 KJV] 1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.

As for me, I do not see how this could directly apply to the church, however we can learn from this.....how great and merciful the Lord is.

See 2 Peter 1:3-4.

Hosea 2:19-20 is one such promise.