Everyone who believes Paul's gospel
By the way and you can disagree but only Israel was said to be born again........Israel was called the firstborn of God and had to be spiritually born again by faith in Christ
THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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By the way and you can disagree but only Israel was said to be born again........Israel was called the firstborn of God and had to be spiritually born again by faith in Christ
Behold
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Jesus is the "firstborn" and everyone who is born again belongs to the "household of God"... and that is the body of Christ, the NT Church.
So. Then you are saying you are not born again ???? , as i know you are not a Jew... or are you saying you are a born again GENTILE, and you are the "body of Christ".
GracePeace
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LOL! Nope, Peter and Paul preached the same Gospel, thus Paul was able to call Peter out for not walking according to THE (one) truth of THE (one) Gospel--they both agreed about the same regulations they were held to walk according to, thus Peter was able to humbly receive the correction Paul brought.
The reality is that, as we see with Peter, there is an ultimate truth that is true in the Gospel, but there is also the person's personal conscience that is true--and the person is not permitted to cross the boundary of their personal conviction for the sake of the ultimate truth. They may not be there yet, and that is OK. One example is the vegan who believes (and this is the example given in Ro 14)--he is actually sinning if he goes against his conscience, irrespective the higher, ultimate, reality of the Gospel that it is OK to eat meat, because he is not "there", yet, in his conscience, not able to conform to the actual truth that is true in the Gospel. The same goes with someone who is not there yet with eating food sacrificed to idols--Paul says it's fine, but it is a sin to cause one of these little ones who believes in Jesus to stumble by becoming an occasion for them to injure their conscience.
God calls us to peace--and going against your conscience threatens to destabilize one's peace.
This is also seen with Peter--though it was a truth in the Gospel that he was not under the Law, he says, "Not so, Lord, for nothing unclean has ever touched my lips" when the Lord said "rise kill and eat [unclean food]", and, so, we see that he was walking according to his Torah-informed conscience, and he was actually held to his conscience, just as the vegan, just as the one who is accustomed to the idol (who cannot eat idol-sacrificed food), BUT, in due time, the Spirit of Truth led him in to all the truth, revealing to him, in a vision, the actual truth of the Gospel that he was not under the Law anymore.
(Peter didn't have the vocabulary for it, didn't know the next steps of the dance, but, nevertheless, he was under the selfsame Gospel as Paul--Paul, however, having been more acquainted with the Scriptures, had the vocabulary for it, with the help of the Spirit of Grace. It was his calling, God having formed him for that purpose, to help others, to dispense God's grace, giving the audience their food, milk or meat, in due time.)
This dynamic of the truth is exemplified in Ro 14, where Paul tells the believing Jewish and Gentile audience that there is a single Law for both the native (Jew) and the sojourner (Gentile) : each man must be fully convinced in his own mind. The Jew who observes a day observes it in full persuasion as unto the Lord, and the Gentile who does not observe the day does not observe it in full persuasion as unto the Lord--and both are accepted because they are walking in full persuasion (but "what ever is not of faith is sin" with the result that the sinning Christian "is condemned" Ro 14:23), irrespective whether it aligns with the ultimate truth of the Gospel, which God will eventually lead them into as long as they keep consistent and their consciences clean.
This again explains Peter's acceptability irrespective his not having known or walked in the ultimate truth of the Gospel that he was not under Law... until the vision was given to him... releasing him from the weakness of the ignorance that he had been bound to (even before God, he was bound to keep those things, because it was his conscience).
This was why I'd asked whether you, with your "remnant of Israel Church" and "body of Christ Church" dividing, had been trying to solve the issue of the Jews' seemingly having been under Law in Acts 21--if you want, I have answers for that, as well.
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Behold
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Not until Peter learned it, could he preach it or teach it.
Jesus gave it to Paul, after Jesus was back in Heaven, and Paul showed up well after Acts 2.
So, if you do some study, you might be able to understand what Paul taught the apostles in Acts 15.
GracePeace
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I am not saying I am born again......I am justified and saved unto eternal life by the redemption in Christ
Behold
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You would have to be willing to learn, before i could show you some doctrine that Paul teaches.
What's that? you said you wont be learning anything from me?
Well, that is your free will.....isn't it.
Behold
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Well, are you teaching that only saved Jews (Israel) are the "body of Christ"?
So, am i misunderstanding you?
GracePeace
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You have something to offer, for sure, but it is obscured in ignorance. You don't know your way around Scripture, and I only follow Scripture, which you dishonor by denying the Word. It's fine, you are helpful, just not to me, because I only follow Scripture, with which you are still unacquainted. I accept that you know God, though.
Behold
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You post verses and say.>>"see there, proved it"
But see, you didnt.
People like you post verses, and that's it.
A Monkey can do it, if you teach them to type.
So, anytime you want to test me, with a Verse, in the NT, that is not found in The Gospels, or in The Revelation.....then you go right ahead.
See, as i said.....im here to teach Paul's Doctrine.......and that is found in Paul's Epistles.
If you want me to teach on "The Trinity" or The "Rapture" ......i can do it for you.....but, im here to Teach Paul's Theology, as this is not known by most who spend time on "christian" Forums.
Like you.
GracePeace
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This has already happened countless times, but it has always led to a dead end; I no longer concern myself with it, I leave it up to God.
GracePeace
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Oddly, he asserts only those (Jew and Gentile) who believed "Peter's Gospel" enter the "remnant of Israel Church", and, again, to him, this "remnant of Israel Church" is, ostensibly, not one and the same as "the body of Christ Church", which is entered by hearing and believing "Paul's Gospel". For many, many reasons, this makes no sense, but this is what he purports the Scriptures teach.
I am not saying that
Both Jew and Gentile can be saved by believing Paul's gospel and are in the body of Christ in this dispensation
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