God made physical Israel and He will fulfill His purpose of ruling the nations through them on the earth.
THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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Yes the city is AS, AS a symbol of a bride because of the glory of God. There is no marriage. It is symbolic of God connecting the spiritual and physical realms. The city comes down out of the invisible realm to the physical realm and is the connecting of the two.
GracePeace
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Galatians 6:16And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
Notice the word AND. That reveals two groups.
1. For in Christ. (Gal. 6: 15) Those in the Body of Christ.
2. Israel of God. (Gal. 6: 16) Those of the physical nation of Israel who turned to God.
GracePeace
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Well, we disagree : the content of the letter, to me, dictates the meaning of "Israel of God". In other words, Paul doesn't start a new argument, or raise a new term ("Israel of God"), without treating it, because all the preceding material already explains what he means. He has already called the Galatians "Isaac" (Gal 4:21-31), for instance, and, here, he is capping his lambasting of the Judaizing false Jewish Christians off by saying "They aren't even the Israel of God, God's people, where God's presence dwells in their midst (Ex 33:15)--you are, so don't ever let them put you down, or make you feel 'less than', just because you aren't circumcising, etc. YOU are Israel, don't worry about belonging in their Israel."
`I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! ...God has not cast away His people who, He foreknew....For I do not desire brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved...` (Rom. 11: 1 & 2, 25 & 26)
The believers in the remnant had faith in Jesus ............The remnant was still operating during Paul's ministry and he had helpers from among them.........he states they were in Christ before me.................[Rom 16:7 KJV] 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Of course Jesus would say Paul was persecuting him since the church of God, the remnant of Israel, was in Christ
GracePeace
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Oops : the REASON God has not cast off His people is because He has preserved a remnant. Why did you leave that part out?
Notice also He says "His people He foreknew" : those He foreknew He predestined, and called and justified. The unbelieving Jews are not called or justified, so they are not in "foreknown" Paul refers to, and aren't His people.
"All Israel will be saved" is true, and God's Word has not failed, but not all Israel is the Israel of that prophecy.
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GracePeace
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Well, if Peter was abiding in Christ, how is Peter not considered to be in the body of Christ? LOL!
GracePeace
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So, if the remnant of Israel is "in Christ", why are they not "the body of Christ"?
What do you think it means to be "in Christ"? They are mystically unified with the body of Christ, partaking in both His death and resurrection. In what sense do they partake? Well, in the sense that the Jewish believer is free from his Covenantal obligation to serve God by means of Torah : the Torah is binding only on the living Jew, but, because Jewish believers die with Christ (this is just the reality of the Gospel, not "Paul's" Gospel, as if it were different from "Peter's"), the Law is no longer binding upon them (Ro 7:1-6). The reason they are "dead" is "through the body of Messiah" (Ro 7:1-6)--being "in Christ" means having shared in His death and resurrection, BECAUSE they are "the body of Christ".
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amigo de christo
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Actually it is only one body . it consists of believing in JESUS jews and gentiles .
And others not of this fold i must bring
and they shall be ONE FOLD , With ONE SHEPARD .
Its only one body my dear friend . all outside of it shall wail on the DAY of the LORD .
basically we gots two adams . All outside of CHRIST , as even we once were , are of the old adam
But all within the body of Christ are of the second adam WHO IS the LORD from heaven .
Aint that lovely . ITS JESUS pointing time .
As far as to whoever made this original thread that said the church is not the bride ,
someone is in deadly error on that one .
And he shewed me the lambs wife . now let us read revelation and see who is this wife .
The beleivers of all tribes and the jews who BELEIVED ON JESUS the CHRIST .
That is your body , that is the wife and the bride of Christ .
THE TRUE JERUSALEM is above wherein the temple is GOD and the lamb and the beleivers in CHRIST
are the wee tiny stones fitted into this TEMPLE .
OH its a beauty all right . For ye have come unto MOUNT ZION , the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM .
That be your Israel of GOD . not all of israel is OF ISRAEL . people needs to get busy
procliaming CHRIST JESUS to all , while there still be time to do so . cause the DOOR will shut
and when it do ALL outside shall wail .
Any souls who were righteous and God fearing before Christ was crucified (eg, some are written about in the bible such as Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ruth, Moses, Joshua, prophets etc) are included in this where it says: "they without us would not be made perfect". Jesus descended into the place of the dead and preached the gospel to these and they were resurrected when he was...to my understanding that was the first resurrection which we who believe have a part in. The earlier saints are all included in Christ, with the church that is alive.
Sister we have been taught wrong. Jesus Christ is ruling and reigning now and His people are reigning with Him as more than conquerors through Him. This age of grace now is the "1000" year reign of Christ and it is by faith not by sight...remember Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world, it comes not with our careful observation. And every time a soul is saved or someone is healed, or a demon cast out, or miracle of any kind, we see evidence of His kingdom rule being enforced. Jesus told the religious leaders in Luke 11:20 , "If I by the finger of God cast out devils then no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you". And read 2Peter 3 carefully with fresh eyes....the thousand years is the time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation....the time of grace to get souls saved....the world as it is will burn up upon His return in wrath. And in 1 Corinthians 15 it says Jesus will turn the kingdom back over to the Father when He returns, so He will not be ruling and reigning as such any more after that but God will be all in all. It's very important that we look at Rev through the lens of the scriptures that came before it, rather than trying to work backwards and wrest the earlier scrips to try to force them to fit what we have thought Rev was saying. The current popular understanding of Rev contradicts so many other scriptures so it can't be right.
amigo de christo
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You already know the answer my friend . because As the scrips make real clear
The BODY of CHRIST
are the BELEIVERS IN CHRIST , whether they were born jew or gentile .
Its real simple really .
THERE is one ISRAEL of GOD , ONE JERUSALEM of GOD and its above
wherein the very temple IS GOD and the LAMB and all the beleivers ARE IN this temple , tiny stones
added in by faith IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
The ISRAEL OF GOD HAS ITS TRUE JERUSALEM OF GOD , wherein the temple is not patterned after the TRUE
BUT THE VERY TRUE ITSELF . the temple NOT made my hands of men .
Not all of Israel IS OF THE TRUE ISRAEL .
THIS ISRAEL .
OUT of EYPGT HAVE I CALLED MY SON .
THE ISRAEL OF GOD , IS OF GOD and worships HIM in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH through FAITH IN HE whom GOD DID SEND .
Its an all out war for the souls of men . How i wish many would just return to learning the bible for themselves
and quit sitting under the wrong stuff .
amigo de christo
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And therein lies the KEY sister .
Many are interpreting revelation dead wrong
and their interpretation SURE IS contradicting a whole lot of other scrips .
But TRUTH never contradicts TRUTH .
many have learned things with and from men who had their hopes in the wrong kingdom all along .
THE EARTHERN ONE . they cannot see the SPIRITUAL .
They know not nor understand it is now ONE BODY , ONE WIFE
TWO folds made ONE IN CHRIST . to those who do BELIEVE IN HIM .
THERE Is only ONE TRUE ISRAEL of GOD , but not all of israel is even of THIS ISRAEL .
There is one true JERUSALEM above , wherein the TEMPLE
was not made after the pattern of the TRUE , BUT IS THE TRUE ITSELF . GOD and THE LAMB IS THIS TEMPLE
and THIS CITY JERUSALEM , MOTHER TO THE BELEIVERS is ABOVE .
The mount ZION of GOD is above . For ye have come unto MOUNT ZION the heavenly Jersualem .
The body of , bride of , people of GOD and of CHRIST , ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
THAT be JESUS the CHRIST . oh its real simple sister , but men have made much confusion into what was so simple .
The coming down from heaven itself is symbolic. The city is heavenly Zion, the kingdom of God and Christ, and we were all "born in her" when we came to faith. Zion came down to live in our hearts as it were.
The idea of an earthly utopia is one thing that tripped up the religious leaders of Jesus' day...they were expecting an earthly messiah/king to rule over an utopian earth. Jesus was CORRECTING that wrong belief when He told them His kingdom is not of this world and comes not with careful observation that we may say lo here it is, or there, but the kingdom (Zion) is within/among us.
I dont think Paul was in the remnant......when Christ came in his earthly ministry Israel had to believe on his name that he was Christ, the Son of God......Paul rejected this and persecuted those who did and was not in the believing remnant
When Paul was converted, he preached that Christ was the Son of God. to believers in the remnant but with Paul Jesus was forming a new dispensation and the body of Christ
amigo de christo
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When many read the scrips , the prophecies
they often learn them from the mindset of the earthen kingdom and not the Spiritual .
this is why many who often qouate amos
use it to point to the third temple that will be built by the jews .
RATHER ODD
james used the same line to preach JESUS and to show them how even the gentiles come in .
The problem is , as you already know , we have had many who learned under this dispensation or that whatever mindset
teaching was taught . men whose hopes were in the earthern were leading this people away from what was simple .
Till now its all a mess , its a giant liguid of many thoughts and opininons
WHICH i MIGHT ADD is now being reshaped into a false love that will now merge the DECIEVED to be as one
and once again its focus ON THE EARTHEN as it cries YE shall have WORLD PEACE N SAFETY , A UTOPIA it cries .
The one key
IS what is our mind , heart really been centered on , was it the earthen , OR the HEAVENLY
cause IT SURE CANNOT be both .
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