THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[GracePeace]

I didnt say you did but others do........I was just reiterating my points

OK I just wanted to make sure you weren't objecting to the idea that they preached the same Gospel as a means of trying to preserve Israel--again, I don't really know what is motivating your insistence that they preached different Gospels.

 

[GracePeace]

Paul preached to Jew and Gentile

Yeah, and Paul identifies the Jews he preaches to, and who believe, as "the remnant of Israel" (Ro 11).

LOL Well, it was fun while it lasted, but you're done.

 

[GracePeace]

I have been confused about this verse for a long time, but I think this is right sister, nail on the head.........and I believe the fullness of the Gentiles being spoken about must refer to the Gentiles becoming saved and established in the gospel............so that then they could show mercy to Israel through the preaching of the gospel to them......as it says here:

Rom 11:30

For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!


I'm so grateful to have this sorted out and resolved!

I'm your brother, and I am glad it's sorted out.
Please do pray for me, so that, by God's grace, He will be glorified in every aspect of my life.

 

[GracePeace]

Paul preached the gospel to both Jew and Gentile

as far as Acts 17.......................[Act 17:2-3 KJV] 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Paul preached that Jesus is Christ and reasoned his death and resurrection was in the prophets

According to Acts 2, Peter preached the same--Jesus is Christ, and died by crucifixion, then God raised Him from the dead and sat Him at His right hand.

Paul did not preach his gospel where they already believed on Christ.....................[Rom 15:20 KJV] 20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

By Paul saying he did not want to build on another man's foundation meant he saw himself as being called to lay foundation (as he says in 1 Co 3), but this does not mean there is some other foundation that may be laid--because he explicitly denies this, saying, "no other foundation may be laid than Christ"--just that the same foundation he would lay (ie, Christ) would have been laid by another man, and he is a foundation-layer. He even says he wasn't sent to baptize, but does that mean he would not preach for people to be baptized? No, it just wasn't what he was sent to do, according to his own explanation.

 

[Lizbeth]

Israel was called that when the congregation was in the wilderness but during Christ's earthly ministry they are called just the church or Paul called it the church of God
There are no others verses that mention the Israel of God so to say it is the church is not supported

We need the Holy Spirit to give us eyes to see, brother. Scripture says to lean not to our own understanding....but rely on the Holy Spirit. And that the natural man cannot perceive the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.