The Coming of Christ and the Kingdoms — a Clear Chronology of events.

[Scott Downey]

"Elements are dissolved" can mean a simple campfire. If you're talking about the annihilation of the entire planet, and the space that contains all of the stars in the universe, I think that goes well beyond the meaning.

In my opinion, it is simply talking about the destruction of earthly works that are of use to Man but of no use to God. They will be completely burned up, their substances destroyed or changed to carbon, etc.

If the universe is viewed in terms of personification, such as the heavens "fleeing away" from God, then I don't think that's talking about annihilation of the universe either. You still have to deal with Scriptures that state, matter of factly, that the "earth is forever."

God didn't create the universe in six days, just to destroy it, and then have to begin again. He could've, but I don't think that's what is meant by the "New Heavens and the New Earth." They are renewed, or rendered immortal and eternally hospitable to Man. My opinion only...

Of course that is an opinion.

Your example of God making the creation in 6 days does not mean God can't make a new creation in a moment.
The 6 days was for man's sake, an example of working 6 days and resting from your work on the 7th day.

You can also read of the new earth here

Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

To me, verses 11 and 12 of necessity implies they are not the same earth and heavens as before.

Yes, the earth is eternal in the sense that there will be an earth, but it cannot be the same earth, there is too much evidence that it is changed.

And if you notice here about the Son who is the Christ,
8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

The Son is on His throne, not on David's throne,
This idea of Christ sitting on David's throne is illogical, not scripture.

Matthew 22

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”

They said to Him, “The Son of David.”

43 He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:

44
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?

45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” 46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

Jesus Christ is not the Son of David, and will not inherit David's throne during a millennial reign

 

[ScottA]

I don't want to take over the thread, but after I made the point (quoted below) that each of the chronological events of biblical history have a greater perspective to be considered --these are those same points from God's perspective:

I compliment you on your detail. It's good I think--I haven't read it all as yet, but enough to see that it is--unfortunately, merely a record and perspective as seen from this side of the equation. While, the biblical events of history are certainly of interest to us living in the world, there is something missed from that perspective alone--which is the greater portion--God's portion and perspective, and the actual and more important reason for them being given as God's word, and made manifest in the world.

1)

The Present Age: the Kingdom grows while we wait for the end​

Jesus said the kingdom starts small and grows in this world like a mustard seed that becomes a tree and like leaven working through flour (Matthew 13:31–33). He also said there would be good seed and weeds together until the harvest at “the end of the age,” when angels separate the wicked from the just (Matthew 13:24–30, 36–43).
In this age there are wars, disasters, persecution, and many false christs and false prophets (Matthew 24:4–14; Mark 13:5–13; Luke 21:8–19). The gospel is preached in all the world and then the end will come (Matthew 24:14).

About AD 70​

Jesus plainly foretold the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple stones thrown down (Matthew 24:2; Luke 21:6). He warned of armies around Jerusalem and days of great distress for that city (Luke 21:20–24). This happened in AD 70. But Jesus also said His second coming would be after specific cosmic signs and would be seen by all the tribes of the earth, like lightning across the sky (Matthew 24:27, 29–31). That did not happen in AD 70.
After He rose and ascended from the Mount of Olives, angels promised, “This same Jesus… will so come in like manner”—visible and bodily (Acts 1:9–12). Zechariah also says His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives on that day (Zechariah 14:4). This also did not happen in AD 70. So AD 70 was judgment on Jerusalem, but not the Second Coming.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in it, stating His greatest creation as mankind, giving form to what He referred to as an "image"--man is the evidence of God's purpose for, and means of, all of creation. Which was not so clearly stated until Solomon wrote of the body returning to the dust, and until Peter wrote of that dust being of the same elements of the earth--which was to be destroyed.

Thus, the world and all of creation was to give an "image" or revelation by form made manifest by God--or what? As the Beginning and the End, the book of Revelation tells us, it is all a revelation of Jesus Christ. By whom all things were made. Whom "was before the foundation of the world." "Was." Meaning, this world is a revelation by image and form of all that "was" before it ever came to be revealed.

Wherein, the present age could be considered every age of this world, or just that part or age after the flood, or that age after Christ. Whichever way one looks at it hardly matters--that is not what is important. What is important is why? Which the times of this world declare in a form of chronology, unlike their timeless beginning--before the foundation of the world began. The purpose then--in short--according to those God sent to speak, was to reveal what "was" "here a little there a little" down through the ages, "but each one in his own order." Again, the question becomes, why? The answer of which Christ gave, saying, "For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." Which, is to say, this is the evidence that comes before the Judgement. Wherein we all walk out what we believe, leading to our own eternal fate "each one in his own order."

As for 70 AD, the entire matter and cause of this world being revealed, was presented in summary--the Beginning and the End--in the lifetime of the man Jesus Christ. Although it had all occurred before the foundation of the world (the Lamb slain, etc.), and came fully in His "hour", His whole lifetime is the greater summary. Which meant an enactment fulfilling--if only in part...as all time and this world were represented--70 AD shows it all being fulfilled during that generation of Christ. Which has become a stumbling block for many, thinking it all happened then and is finished. And yet, the greater word of God reveals it all being finished before the foundation of the world, or even at that moment of Christ dying on the cross--which Paul eluded to, saying "I was crucified with Christ" (past tense). Which he gave as an example of all who are "in Christ"--including "the dead" and "the living", "but each one in his own order."

Yet, although all of this is written--we are more inclined to see things as they come to us, according to the history of this world--which is not the kingdom of Christ.

Of course there is more...His feet standing on the Mount of Olives, etc.--which all have there eternal perspective explanation--but really, what is the Mount of Olives, but that eternal mount of His anointing--His revealing? Is it not all His (mountain)?

 

[Scott Downey]

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What do you do with old worn-out clothes? They are discarded, often into the trash, and you never wear them again. You get new clothes.
That is what God is saying He will do with the first earth and first heaven.

In that He calls them the first and He creates new earth and new heaven, that implies there is a replacement, a second earth and a second heaven.

Revelation 21:1
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Of course that is an opinion.

You skipped over a very important point. While you're so busy trying to interpret the Scriptures in a particular way, I told you the Scriptures themselves contradict your position. The Scriptures themselves say that the earth is forever. If the current earth is forever, then it will never be annihilated. Man's home is here forever, though it will, obviously, be changed. What will be destroyed are all those things about the planet that make it a home for sinners and a dangerous and destructive place for Man.

 

[Zao is life]

8) How Jesus tells us to live as we wait​

Because no one knows the day or hour, Jesus calls us to watch, pray, and be faithful (Matthew 24:36–51; Mark 13:33–37; Luke 21:34–36). He warns us to be ready like wise virgins with oil, faithful servants investing what He entrusted, and sheep who love “the least of these” (Matthew 25:1–46).
He tells us to keep His words (John 14:15, 21, 23–24), to abide in Him (John 15:4–10), and to endure to the end (Matthew 24:13). Revelation calls the saints to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 12:17; 14:12). James urges patience “until the coming of the Lord” (James 5:7–8). Jude reminds us that the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment (Jude 14–15).

The things you say about this are true, but only half the truth. Here's why:

Problem: Just as much as scripture and the Revelation points to a literal thousand years immediately following the return of Christ, so the Revelation points to the new heavens and new earth immediately following the return of Christ (examples further below).

It's either the thousand years of Revelation is the first thousand years of what both Jesus and John called the ages of the ages, or the thousand years is symbolic of what began when Jesus rose from the dead.

Key: The first three chapters and the last three chapters of the Bible speak of the same events unfolding, with a different end-result the second time.

In paradise Satan was permitted to attempt to deceive Adam and Eve while they were still alive forever and able to eat of the tree of life.
In paradise Satan will one last time be permitted to attempt to deceive the nations - all the descendants of Adam and Eve.

Death was the result the first time - the first death.
Death and the destruction of death in the lake of fire will be the end-result the second time - the second death.

The first time And and Eve were prevented from eating of the tree of life and living forever in that state - and kicked out of paradise.
The last time the nations who followed the Gog-Magog rebellion are cast into the lake of fire and remain forever in that state - the second death.

Christ is the resurrection from the first death, who rose from the dead after bearing the sin in His own body, and dying.
There will be no second resurrection from the second death and no second sacrifice for the sin.

Jesus promises those who overcome that THEY will not experience the second death.

The resurrection of the body; and immortality; and "no more death" go hand in glove together:

"When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." (1 Corinthians 15:54 - Paul was writing to the Corinthians about the resurrection of the body from the dead in this passage).

"God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will there be any more pain; for the first things passed away." (Revelation 21:4).

END OF THIS AGE
In Revelation 7:13-17 we read about a great multitude, which no man could number, that came out from great tribulation, which they experienced before the return of Christ, and below is what else John saw regarding them:

The throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 7:13-17).

NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH
The same promises made to those who came out from great tribulation are made to the bride of Christ,
New Jerusalem, in a New Heavens and Earth which John saw "descending out of heaven from God.":

The throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 21:2-4).

END OF THIS AGE - BRIDE OF CHRIST HAS MADE HERSELF READY
"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." (Revelation 19:7-8).

NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH - BRIDE OF CHRIST HAS MADE HERSELF READY
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Revelation 21:2:).

The same promises made to those who came out from great tribulation are made to the bride of Christ, New Jerusalem, in a New Heavens and Earth which John saw "descending out of heaven from God.": The throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 21:2-4).

ARMAGEDDON
And a great voice came out of the temple of Heaven, from the throne, saying,

--- It is done! "--- (Revelation 16:15-17)

ALL THINGS NEW
"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me,

--- It is done --- (Revelation 21:5-6).

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are they who do His commandments, that their authority will be over the Tree of Life, and they may enter in by the gates into the city.(Revelation 22:12-14).

When read without infusing any doctrinal bias into the meaning of the text, the Revelation links the commencement of:-

1. the thousand years (Revelation chapter 20); and
2. the binding of Satan (Revelation 20:1-3); and
3. the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation chapters 21-22),

to a time immediately following the return of Christ

- but what we believe and understand about eternal life [aionos zoe] and being alive [zao] forever (immortality) will cause us to interpret the first three and last three chapters of the Bible in such a way as to have it comply with our understanding, else we would suffer from cognitive dissonance.​

 

[Scott Downey]

You skipped over a very important point. While you're so busy trying to interpret the Scriptures in a particular way, I told you the Scriptures themselves contradict your position. The Scriptures themselves say that the earth is forever. If the current earth is forever, then it will never be annihilated. Man's home is here forever, though it will, obviously, be changed. What will be destroyed are all those things about the planet that make it a home for sinners and a dangerous and destructive place for Man.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: eternal earth

www.biblegateway.com

Did a search for earth eternal in several versions and find nothing.
Only one unrelated verse

 

[Scott Downey]

Does the earth abide forever or not? - CARM

Since sin is in the world, the earth and all its works will be destroyed and cleansed, and a new heavens and new earth will replace them.

carm.org

I find 3 verses for earth forever.
What I think is an earth will abide forever, hence God creates a new earth, as it's replacement, it is then the earth.

When God created the heavens and the earth it was formless and void
Genesis 1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Psalm 78:69
And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has established forever.

Psalm 104:5
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

Ecclesiastes 1:4
One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.

 

[Scott Downey]

Some Christians do this all the time with the OT scriptures, when they seem contradictory with what the NT scriptures teach.
They just throw out what the NT teaches completely, and fall back onto their OT scriptural POV.

Me, I am wired the other way round, NT scriptures take the preeminence in faith and practice as it is well, NEW, a new revelation from God for His people.

Reading the OT saves no one, but reading the NT and believing what it teaches saves you as it is written by the Spirit about the Son and our great salvation.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

 

[Zao is life]

Some Christians do this all the time with the OT scriptures, when they seem contradictory with what the NT scriptures teach.
They just throw out what the NT teaches completely, and fall back onto their OT scriptural POV.

Me, I am wired the other way round, NT scriptures take the preeminence in faith and practice as it is well, NEW, a new revelation from God for His people.

Reading the OT saves no one, but reading the NT and believing what it teaches saves you as it is written by the Spirit about the Son and our great salvation.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

You have different things conflated.

The source of all life: God.

The New Testament talks about:

1. Eternal life [aionios zoe]: Only God has life | eternal life [zoe] in Himself (John 1:4; John 5:26).

Paul said, "In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28); and

"To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

2. Living | being alive [zao]: The Greek New Testament never calls eternal life [aionios zoe] "aionios zao": To live | be alive [zao] forever is a.k.a to be immortal.

The Bible teaches us about the living [zao] God, who has life [zoe] in Himself, creating human beings and breathing life [zoe] into them in order that they may become living [zao] souls [psyche], so that they may live | may be alive [zao], each one in his own created body on the created earth.

The Bible does not teach us that God created human beings so that Adam or anyone else should "die and then go to heaven when they die".

Take a look at the long list of verses in the New Testament talking about the resurrection of the human body from the dead and ask yourself why this would be such an important subject in the Bible.

The resurrection of the human body from the dead is an integral part of the gospel: In 1 Corinthians 15:26 we read that death is the enemy of God. In Ezekiel 18:32 God says, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."

The eternal life of which you speak is something only God possesses in Himself and is not the same as living | being alive forever - which is associated with a living human body.

Christ alone possesses eternal life in Himself and it is in Christ alone IN whom we have eternal life, having been given eternal life by God IN Him.

If you do not understand the distinction both the Greek Septuagint and the New Testament make between the eternal life [zoe] that only God possesses in Himself and being alive [zao] forever (being immortal) then you will never understand why Adam's body began to die.

 

[Scott Downey]

You have different things conflated.

The source of all life: God.

The New Testament talks about:

1. Eternal life [aionios zoe]: Only God has life | eternal life [zoe] in Himself (John 1:4; John 5:26).

Paul said, "In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28); and

"To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

2. Living | being alive [zao]: The Greek New Testament never calls eternal life [aionios zoe] "aionios zao": To live | be alive [zao] forever is a.k.a to be immortal.

The Bible teaches us about the living [zao] God, who has life [zoe] in Himself, creating human beings and breathing life [zoe] into them in order that they may become living [zao] souls [psyche], so that they may live | may be alive [zao], each one in his own created body on the created earth.

The Bible does not teach us that God created human beings so that Adam or anyone else should "die and then go to heaven when they die".

Take a look at the long list of verses in the New Testament talking about the resurrection of the human body from the dead and ask yourself why this would be such an important subject in the Bible.

The resurrection of the human body from the dead is an integral part of the gospel: In 1 Corinthians 15:26 we read that death is the enemy of God. In Ezekiel 18:32 God says, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."

The eternal life of which you speak is something only God possesses in Himself and is not the same as living | being alive forever - which is associated with a living human body.

Christ alone possesses eternal life in Himself and it is in Christ alone IN whom we have eternal life, having been given eternal life by God IN Him.

Hmmm, what do I have conflated, turned around?
What triggered you to say this?
You seem to disagree with 1 John 5?

John is an apostle and wrote what I quote.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

 

[Zao is life]

Hmmm, what do I have turned around?
What triggered you to say this?
You seem to disagree with 1 John 5?

John is an apostle and wrote what I quote.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

In whom is that eternal life that you have received from God. In yourself?

Read John 1:4; John 5:26 and 1 John 5:11-12 before you answer.

If you do not understand the distinction both the Greek Septuagint and the New Testament make between the eternal life [zoe] that only God possesses in Himself and being alive [zao] forever (being immortal) then you will never understand why Adam's body began to die.

 

[Scott Downey]

Before you believed in Christ, you had no salvation, no eternal life.

After you do, you have obtained the salvation

It is not so complex, believe in Christ and you will be saved, you will have eternal life.
You pass from death into life.
The walking dead is a TV series people love to get a kick out of seeing flesh eating zombies.
Well that is a real true thing, the walking dead are all around you, it is all the unbelieving who are dead men walking.
And someday they will rot in hell fire.

Matthew 8:22
But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”


ASV
Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

And who are the people of God? Not any unbelieving people.
Romans 11

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

 

[Zao is life]

Before you believed in Christ, you had no salvation, no eternal life.

After you do, you have obtained the salvation

It is not so complex, believe in Christ and you will be saved, you will have eternal life.
You pass from death into life.
The walking dead is a TV series people love to get a kick out of seeing flesh eating zombies.
Well that is a real true thing, the walking dead are all around you, it is all the unbelieving who are dead men walking.
And someday they will rot in hell fire.

Matthew 8:22
But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

And who are the people of God? Not any unbelieving people.
Romans 11

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

You make it very complex but it's very simple and not complex at all.

In whom is that eternal life that you have received from God. In yourself?

Read John 1:4; John 5:26 and 1 John 5:11-12 before you answer.

If you do not understand the distinction both the Greek Septuagint and the New Testament make between the eternal life [zoe] that only God possesses in Himself, which is given to you IN Christ, and being alive [zao] forever (being immortal) then you will never fully understand why Adam's body began to die. The source of living | being alive [zao] in the body forever (immortal) is the eternal life [aionos zoe] which only God possesses in Himself and which God has given to you in Christ through your faith in Him.

In your posts you keep conflating the eternal life [zoe] which only God possesses in Himself with living | being alive [zao] forever in a resurrected body (immortal).​

 

[LoveYeshua]

You might have a valid point if the sheep and goats judgment and the great white throne judgment are the same judgment. I tend to think they are not the same judgment.

They are not the same event, they are described separately and sequentially in Revelations chapters 19 and 20. the book of revelations is the key that confirms this.

 

[Scott Downey]

They are not the same event, they are described separately and sequentially in Revelations chapters 19 and 20. the book of revelations is the key that confirms this.

Fake news, dispensationalism believes in 2 great judgment days.
Scripture only ever teaches one Day of Judgment where Christ who is God officiates.

 

[Scott Downey]

In whom is that eternal life that you have received from God. In yourself?

Read John 1:4; John 5:26 and 1 John 5:11-12 before you answer.

If you do not understand the distinction both the Greek Septuagint and the New Testament make between the eternal life [zoe] that only God possesses in Himself and being alive [zao] forever (being immortal) then you will never understand why Adam's body began to die.

You are making something out of nothing
Acts 13:48
Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

John 10:28
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:19
storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Romans 2:6-8
who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

John 17
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He [a]should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

When you know the true God, you have eternal life
Jesus here shows Himself as the true God.

John 12

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.
46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if anyone hears My words and does not [g]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

 

[Scott Downey]

I accidently clicked on a copilot link and this is good

Explain the following text primarily based on the surrounding page content: 1 John 5:11-12

Certainly! Based on the surrounding page content from the Christian Forums discussion, 1 John 5:11–12 is being interpreted in the context of eternal life and its source. Here's a breakdown of how the forum participants are engaging with the passage:

The Text Itself​

“And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” —1 John 5:11–12

Forum-Based Interpretation​

The conversation centers around the nature of eternal life (Greek: zoe aionios) and its distinction from simply being alive (zao). Here's how the participants unpack it:

• Eternal Life Is Found in Christ Alone Multiple contributors emphasize that eternal life is not something humans possess inherently. Instead, it is a gift from God, found in Christ. This aligns with John 1:4 and John 5:26, which state that life is in the Son and that the Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself.
• Not Just Immortality, but Divine Life One user (Zao is life) argues that eternal life (zoe) is qualitatively different from mere immortality (zao). Eternal life is the divine life that only God possesses and shares with believers through union with Christ. This interpretation stresses that eternal life is not just living forever, but living in God.
• Faith as the Gateway Another user (Scott Downey) highlights the simplicity of the gospel message: believing in Christ grants eternal life. He quotes 1 John 5:13 to reinforce that assurance of salvation comes through faith in the Son of God.
• Contrast Between Believers and Unbelievers The passage is used to draw a stark line between those who have the Son (and thus life) and those who do not. This leads to a broader eschatological discussion about judgment, resurrection, and the fate of the “walking dead”—those spiritually dead due to unbelief.

Theological Implications from the Page​

• Christ as the Source of Life The forum contributors repeatedly affirm that Christ is not just the messenger of eternal life but its very embodiment. To be “in Christ” is to possess life; outside of Him, there is none.
• Resurrection and Bodily Life The discussion also touches on the resurrection of the body, suggesting that eternal life includes not just spiritual vitality but a future bodily resurrection—an embodied immortality grounded in Christ’s own resurrection.
• Judgment and Separation The binary presented in 1 John 5:11–12—having the Son or not—feeds into the broader eschatological themes on the page, including the final judgment, the new heavens and earth, and the eternal destinies of humanity.

 

[Zao is life]

You are making something out of nothing

All I did was ask you a very simple question, to which you have not responded.

According to scripture, in whom is that eternal life that you have received from God. In yourself?

Read John 1:4; John 5:26 and 1 John 5:11-12 before you answer.

Why can't you respond and answer the question?

 

[Scott Downey]

ChatGPT listing the verses of the Day of Judgment
Perfect Since you said “yes,” I’ll build you a complete verse list from Genesis → Revelation on the Day of Judgment (sometimes called “the Day of the Lord,” “Last Day,” “Great Day,” “Wrath,” or “Judgment Seat”).


This will be scripture-only references in order, so you can scan it like a concordance.

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Complete Bible Verses on the Day of Judgment​

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Old Testament​

Job 21:30 – “For the wicked are spared from the day of calamity, that they are rescued from the day of wrath.”


Psalm 1:5 – “Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.”


Psalm 9:7–8 – “But the Lord sits enthroned forever; he has established his throne for judgment, and he judges the world with righteousness; he judges the peoples with uprightness.”


Psalm 96:13 – “For he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness, and the peoples in his faithfulness.”


Ecclesiastes 11:9 – “...but know that for all these things God will bring you into judgment.”


Ecclesiastes 12:14 – “For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.”


Isaiah 13:9 – “Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it.”


Isaiah 33:22 – “For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us.”


Isaiah 66:16 – “For by fire will the Lord enter into judgment, and by his sword, with all flesh; and those slain by the Lord shall be many.”


Daniel 7:9–10 – “...the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened.”


Joel 2:31 – “The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.”


Zephaniah 1:14–15 – “The great day of the Lord is near... a day of wrath... a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation...”


Malachi 4:1 – “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble.”

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New Testament​

Matthew 10:15 – “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.”


Matthew 12:36–37 – “On the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Matthew 25:31–32 – “When the Son of Man comes in his glory... all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”


John 5:28–29 – “For an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”


Acts 17:31 – “Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed...”


Romans 2:5–6 – “You are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. He will render to each one according to his works.”


Romans 14:10–12 – “For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God... so then each of us will give an account of himself to God.”


1 Corinthians 3:13 – “Each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it...”


1 Corinthians 4:5 – “Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness...”


2 Corinthians 5:10 – “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ...”


Hebrews 9:27 – “Just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”


Hebrews 10:27 – “...a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.”


2 Peter 2:9 – “...the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment.”


2 Peter 3:7 – “...the heavens and earth... are being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.”


Jude 1:6 – “And the angels who did not stay within their own position... he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.”


Jude 1:14–15 – “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all...”


Revelation 14:7 – “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come...”


Revelation 20:11–12 – “Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it... and the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.”


Revelation 20:13–15 – “...and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire... and if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”

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That’s the full chain of judgment passages in order.

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Are there two Judgement days or one Day of Judgment

ChatGPT said:​

Good question — this is something Christians often debate. Let me walk you through what Scripture actually says, then how different groups interpret it.

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What the Bible Says​

• The Bible repeatedly refers to “the Day of Judgment” or “the Day of the Lord” (singular), a fixed time when God judges the world (Acts 17:31; Romans 2:5–6; 2 Peter 3:7).
• Jesus describes one climactic judgment when the Son of Man returns, gathering all nations before Him (Matthew 25:31–32).
• Revelation 20 describes the Great White Throne Judgment, when “the dead, great and small” stand before God and are judged (Revelation 20:11–15).

So in plain reading, Scripture presents a single final judgment day at the return of Christ.

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Why Some Say There Are Two Judgments​

Certain Christian traditions (especially dispensational premillennialists) teach two stages of judgment:

1. Judgment Seat of Christ (Bema Seat) – For believers, assessing their works and rewards (2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Corinthians 3:13–15).
2. Great White Throne Judgment – For unbelievers, final condemnation (Revelation 20:11–15).

This view separates rewarding the saved from condemning the lost.

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️ Why Others Say It’s One Judgment​

Other traditions (Reformed, Catholic, Orthodox, etc.) hold that there is one universal judgment:

• Everyone (believers and unbelievers) appears together before Christ.
• Believers are vindicated, unbelievers condemned (John 5:28–29; Matthew 25:31–46).
• “Bema seat” passages (2 Cor. 5:10) are understood as part of the same final judgment, not a separate event.

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Summary​

• One Day of Judgment is the clearest teaching of Scripture: one climactic day when Christ returns, raises the dead, and judges all.
• Some traditions split it into two phases (believers’ judgment vs. unbelievers’ judgment).
• Either way, the Bible is consistent: everyone faces God’s judgment (Romans 14:10–12, Hebrews 9:27).

 

[Scott Downey]

Would you like me to make you a side-by-side chart showing the “one judgment” vs. “two judgments” views with their supporting verses?

You said:​

yes

ChatGPT said:​

Great Let’s lay it out clearly. Here’s a side-by-side comparison of the two main interpretations about Judgment Day:

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One Judgment vs. Two Judgments in Scripture​

View	Description	Key Verses	Outcome
One Judgment (Most traditional view)	One climactic Day of the Lord when Christ returns, the dead are raised, and all people are judged together. Believers are vindicated; unbelievers condemned.	- Matthew 25:31–46 – All nations gathered before Christ. - John 5:28–29 – Resurrection of both good and evil. - Romans 14:10–12 – All must appear before God’s judgment seat. - Revelation 20:11–15 – Great White Throne judgment of all the dead.	One universal judgment: eternal life or eternal punishment.
Two Judgments (Dispensational view)	Two stages: (1) Judgment Seat of Christ for believers (rewards or loss of reward, but not salvation), (2) Great White Throne for unbelievers (final condemnation).	- 2 Corinthians 5:10 – Believers appear before the judgment seat of Christ. - 1 Corinthians 3:13–15 – Works tested by fire; some rewarded, some suffer loss. - Revelation 20:11–15 – Great White Throne, unbelievers judged and condemned.	Believers judged for rewards only; unbelievers judged for punishment only.

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Summary​

• One Judgment view: Scripture speaks of one great Day where Christ judges all people.
• Two Judgment view: Splits judgment into two phases — one for believers’ works (rewards) and one for unbelievers’ condemnation.
• Both agree: no one escapes God’s judgment (Hebrews 9:27, Romans 2:6).