The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

[Davidpt]

What an arrogant fool you have become. First, you say you can see the logic in what Marty said, but you disagree. So, in light of that, it seems like you'd be willing to just agree to disagree with him respectfully. But, no. You have to follow that up by saying "But let's just make nonsense out of Zechariah 14 throughout instead". Get off your high horse! Repent of your arrogance!

A speed Limit sign is clearly posted on a Freeway. A driver on the Freeway clearly sees the warning. But then thinks to himself..hmm..I don't see any cops around anywhere, so I think I will just go whatever speed I want to.

On the surface I can see the logic in this yet I disagree that it's a good idea based on the following reason, for one. For all this driver knows, there could be a blind spot up ahead where a police officer has pulled over on the side of the road and is pointing a radar gun in this driver's direction. What an arrogant fool I have become. First I admit I can see the logic in this, but when looking at it on a deeper level I then have to disgree that this is a good ideal. And I already explained one reason why.

But if I do something similar with Zechariah 14 and someone's proposal, where, on the surface, I can see the logic in what they are propsing, but when looking at the chapter deeper, the fact it begins with the DOTL, I have to disagree.

In my case you are conflating something that sounds logical on the surface with that of something that doesn't hold up when looking at things deeper. For one, I was replying to rwb not Marty in post #970. But that aside, verse 1 has zero to do with the first advent and first century, period. Or should we propose, post the birth of Christ, the NT knows of several DOTL that occur at different times, rather than only one DOTL?

BTW, you clearly called me a fool, totally disregarding what Jesus warned about in Matthew 5:22---but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. But you don't care, apparently. You will likely preface this part with a LOL. Be sure to tell me I need to grow up as well. Don't want you to leave that out.

The folowing is currently you, that which you project on me--you exalt yourself, yet Jesus said that those that exalt themselves shall be humbled. Your day is coming. You see yourself being smarter than me, being better than me, and that if anyone is wrong concerning any of these debates, it is never you, it is me every single time. That per your perspective.

Except your perspective doesn't always match reality. I'm not saying it never does. I'm saying that sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't match reality if everything we disagree about, you are the one correct every time. I'm never correct, ever. That clearly does not match reality.













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[Spiritual Israelite]

A speed Limit sign is clearly posted on a Freeway. A driver on the Freeway clearly sees the warning. But then thinks to himself..hmm..I don't see any cops around anywhere, so I think I will just go whatever speed I want to.

On the surface I can see the logic in this yet I disagree that it's a good idea based on the following reason, for one. For all this driver knows, there could be a blind spot up ahead where a police officer has pulled over on the side of the road and is pointing a radar gun in this driver's direction. What an arrogant fool I have become. First I admit I can see the logic in this, but when looking at it on a deeper level I then have to disgree that this is a good ideal. And I already explained one reason why.

But if I do something similar with Zechariah 14 and someone's proposal, where, on the surface, I can see the logic in what they are propsing, but when looking at the chapter deeper, the fact it begins with the DOTL, I have to disagree.

You don't have to disagree by calling the other person's interpretation absurd while telling that they're making nonsense out of it throughout and all that unnecessary nonsense. You say that right after saying you can see the logic in some of their interpretation. Why not just say you disagree instead of pretending like you see logic in some of their interpretation while proceeding to say that they are making nonsense of the entire chapter? Even after I tried to tell you that I'd like to see us all talk about these things respectfully, you completely ignore that and proceed with insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

In my case you are conflating something that sounds logical on the surface with that of something that doesn't hold up when looking at things deeper. For one, I was replying to rwb not Marty in post #970. But that aside, verse 1 has zero to do with the first advent and first century, period. Or should we propose, post the birth of Christ, the NT knows of several DOTL that occur at different times, rather than only one DOTL?

Some translations have it as "a day for the Lord" or something similar. The NASB says "A day is coming for the Lord". I don't believe it's referring to the same day of the Lord that we read about it elsewhere in scripture because it doesn't match how the day of the Lord is described elsewhere. For some reason you have decided to change the text of every other reference to the day of the Lord to fit your understanding of Zechariah 14. I am sure that Paul and Peter understood the day of the Lord much better than any of us do and they way they described it does not match the Premill understanding of Zechariah 14. That's the bottom line here.

BTW, you clearly called me a fool,

Yes, I did, and I meant it.

totally disregarding what Jesus warned about in Matthew 5:22---but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. But you don't care, apparently. You will likely preface this part with a LOL. Be sure to tell me I need to grow up as well. Don't want you to leave that out.

Nope. This shows again how you lack spiritual discernment which causes you to misinterpret many verses. What that verse is talking about is calling someone a fool in the sense of condemning them to hell. That's not what I'm doing. I'm calling you a fool in the sense that you should know better than to treat people the way you do, not in the sense of condemning you.

The folowing is currently you, that which you project on me--you exalt yourself, yet Jesus said that those that exalt themselves shall be humbled.

No, I do not. You confused my confidence in my beliefs with exalting myself. Unlike you, I NEVER say that my opinions are undeniable and NEVER call my opinions facts.

Your day is coming.

LOL. Look at you pretending to be God. No, YOUR day is coming. You should humble yourself and not make God have to do it.

You see yourself being smarter than me, being better than me, and that if anyone is wrong concerning any of these debates, it is never you, it is me every single time. That per your perspective.

Wrong. This isn't about human wisdom, as I've told you many times. You are the one who relies on supposed "common sense" and all that while I have said many times that we need to rely on spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit instead, as Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16.

Except your perspective doesn't always match reality. I'm not saying it never does. I'm saying that sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't match reality if everything we disagree about, you are the one correct every time. I'm never correct, ever. That clearly does not match reality.

I can say the same about you. Think about it. If I'm disagreeing with you that means you are also disagreeing with me. So, does that mean I can say that you are the one correct every time you disagree with me? For someone who likes to talk about logic a lot, you sure are lacking in it sometimes.

 

[Marty fox]

Sorry you view this understanding as nonsense David. Still praying for you, and your wife also. I was sorry to hear she is battling cancer.

Edit: Now I'm not certain if it is your wife or the other David's wife struggling with cancer??? However I have been praying for you and yours for years now, and continuing to pray. blessings, rwb

I'm pretty sure Dave's wife he said was getting elderly, so he is worried about her as she wasn't doing too good lately, it was probably my wife that you heard is going through breast cancer for the second time.

The chemotherapy is now over and radiation next but it looks hopeful God has been good

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm pretty sure Dave's wife he said was getting elderly, so he is worried about her as she wasn't doing too good lately, it was probably my wife that you heard is going through breast cancer for the second time.

The chemotherapy is now over and radiation next but it looks hopeful God has been good

I'll pray for your wife and his wife, also. I guess I might as well mention that my wife is going through immunotherapy treatments for cancer as well, so I'd appreciate your prayers.

 

[Marty fox]

I'll pray for your wife and his wife, also. I guess I might as well mention that my wife is going through immunotherapy treatments for cancer as well, so I'd appreciate your prayers.

Will do SI and sorry to hear that.

Its tough for us as we are supposed to love, provide and protect our wives and families but I feel helpless at times because we can't protect them from this, so praying for us men too.

 

[rwb]

I'm pretty sure Dave's wife he said was getting elderly, so he is worried about her as she wasn't doing too good lately, it was probably my wife that you heard is going through breast cancer for the second time.

The chemotherapy is now over and radiation next but it looks hopeful God has been good

Thank you for sharing this Marty, I'm so sorry to hear of your wife's cancer. Will be praying the treatments will accomplish complete healing. Yes, God is sooooo GOOD every day! Keep the faith dear friend and brother in Christ.

 

[Marty fox]

Thank you for sharing this Marty, I'm so sorry to hear of your wife's cancer. Will be praying the treatments will accomplish complete healing. Yes, God is sooooo GOOD every day! Keep the faith dear friend and brother in Christ.

Thanks brother I appreciate it

 

[ewq1938]

I'm pretty sure Dave's wife he said was getting elderly, so he is worried about her as she wasn't doing too good lately, it was probably my wife that you heard is going through breast cancer for the second time.

The chemotherapy is now over and radiation next but it looks hopeful God has been good

Good news. DM me for more info. I had a family member have terminal cancer that spread everywhere and had a month to live but went to a place for a very expensive treatment special treatment and was cured. They did have to have chemo/rad at first because it was so advanced.

 

[Marty fox]

Good news. DM me for more info. I had a family member have terminal cancer that spread everywhere and had a month to live but went to a place for a very expensive treatment special treatment and was cured. They did have to have chemo/rad at first because it was so advanced.

Thankyou I remember you mentionging this to me three years ago when my wife had cancer for the first time I believe that it was in Texas.

I will keep it in mind things are looking good for now but there's always that fear in the back of our minds since it happened again.

 

[Davidpt]

I'll pray for your wife and his wife, also. I guess I might as well mention that my wife is going through immunotherapy treatments for cancer as well, so I'd appreciate your prayers.

I would have never guessed that some of us have some of these things in common. We all need to start treating each other better, regardless. Some of us are going through some difficult times and we don't need to take it out on others indirectly. I'm sad that it ever got to this point to begin with, over silly useless debates that never provide a solution everyone can agree with to begin with.

Compared to the situation with my wife, your wife, Marty's wife, these debates should not come first. These debates should not be more important. Therefore, we need to start cutting each some slack, regardless whether we agree with someone or not.

I'm truly sorry that you and Marty are having to deal with what you are having to deal with regarding your wives. From now on I'm going to try my best to take that into consideration before replying in kind, where I feel if one can dish something out they should be able to take it in return.

I am truly sorry for anything hurtful I may have said to you, period. And the same goes for any hurtful thing I may have said to Marty, or anyone else for that matter, if I'm going to be fair here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I would have never guessed that some of us have some of these things in common. We all need to start treating each other better, regardless.

I tried. And you know it. I will quote what I said to you if you don't remember what I'm talking about. I tried to get you to be more respectful to Marty and other posters and I said I was open to that as well and you proceeded to completely ignore that. We all act as if we know each other and have these false ideas of who everyone is. The fact is that none of us know each other personally. So, how about we all just cut each other some slack and stop all the unnecessary insults? I would like that.

Some of us are going through some difficult times and we don't need to take it out on others indirectly. I'm sad that it ever got to this point to begin with, over silly useless debates that never provide a solution everyone can agree with to begin with.

Compared to the situation with my wife, your wife, Marty's wife, these debates should not come first. These debates should not be more important. Therefore, we need to start cutting each some slack, regardless whether we agree with someone or not.

I agree completely and I tried to do this a little while back, but you didn't seem interested. How about we make a genuine effort to cut down on the insults and just discuss the scriptures respectfully? We need to just agree to disagree sometimes. When we repeat the same arguments several times, it gets annoying. It's better to just agree to disagree than to do that.

I'm truly sorry that you and Marty are having to deal with what you are having to deal with regarding your wives. From now on I'm going to try my best to take that into consideration before replying in kind, where I feel if one can dish something out they should be able to take it in return.

Most people here dish it out, but can't take it. They complain that others are being rude or condescending despite being that way themselves. We should just all stop being that way altogether no matter how much we disagree about something.

I am truly sorry for anything hurtful I may have said to you, period. And the same goes for any hurtful thing I may have said to Marty, or anyone else for that matter, if I'm going to be fair here.

And I am sorry for anything hurtful I may have said to you as well. Let's just stick to discussing the scriptures and leave the personal insults out of it. You have frequently indicated that you believe that I think I know it all. I do not think that way. I just am confident in certain things that I believe. But, I have admitted that I'm not sure what Zechariah 14 is about, for example. I don't have all the answers. No one does. But, you seem to think you have Zechariah 14 all figured out. How about we just be more humble about it and just respectfully agree to disagree? I think we can do that.

 

[Marty fox]

I would have never guessed that some of us have some of these things in common. We all need to start treating each other better, regardless. Some of us are going through some difficult times and we don't need to take it out on others indirectly. I'm sad that it ever got to this point to begin with, over silly useless debates that never provide a solution everyone can agree with to begin with.

Compared to the situation with my wife, your wife, Marty's wife, these debates should not come first. These debates should not be more important. Therefore, we need to start cutting each some slack, regardless whether we agree with someone or not.

I'm truly sorry that you and Marty are having to deal with what you are having to deal with regarding your wives. From now on I'm going to try my best to take that into consideration before replying in kind, where I feel if one can dish something out they should be able to take it in return.

I am truly sorry for anything hurtful I may have said to you, period. And the same goes for any hurtful thing I may have said to Marty, or anyone else for that matter, if I'm going to be fair here.

Thanks Dave I apprecite it.

Maybe sometimes we may unknowingly take our frustrations out here so I also apologies if I have done that here too

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks Dave I apprecite it.

Maybe sometimes we may unknowingly take our frustrations out here so I also apologies if I have done that here too

No, I've never seen you do that. I don't know if I do that in relation to frustration over personal things that are going on. Maybe sometimes. What I get frustrated about the most on here is when my views get misrepresented or if false accusations are made against me. I admit that I don't handle that very well sometimes.

 

[ewq1938]

Thankyou I remember you mentionging this to me three years ago when my wife had cancer for the first time I believe that it was in Texas.

Yep.

I will keep it in mind things are looking good for now but there's always that fear in the back of our minds since it happened again.

Praying this is the last battle with cancer.

 

[Marty fox]

Yep.




Praying this is the last battle with cancer.

Thank you I appreciate it