The Cross--Then Surrender

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While I do not doubt that many a child of God has received distinct and marked blessings at certain stages of life, I believe it is a great mistake to construct a theory out of it. Many a devout Christian has enjoyed the liberty of the Spirit under some such name as “the second blessing,” “higher life,” “a baptism of the Spirit,” “perfect love,” “entire sanctification” or “Spirit filled life.” But under whatever name, it is an experience, and it is made dependent upon the “surrender of self,” as it is called.

But notice: It occupies us with self instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. It may be a very lovely self, but self-occupation never helps the soul. It begets subtle pride (Gal 6:3—NC). There must be a fresh, daily feeding upon Him, in the Word. Again, it tends to divide God’s people into classes; some have experienced the “blessing,” and others have not.

Now, while it is perfectly true there are various stages of maturity in the Christian life, and while Scripture speaks of “fathers, young men, and children” (1Jn 2), yet it is not in this way of attainment. People do not set themselves to be fathers, etc. It is a matter of growth. Further, I am convinced that surrender is not what God calls for first, nor in this connection. You will find that where these systems call for surrender, God’s Word puts the Cross.

The sixth of Romans comes before the twelfth. In the latter we have the surrender, but it is not to get or to attain; it is because he has entered into what is his; he has accepted the wondrous fact of his death with Christ, and of the Spirit’s presence and power. A crucified man has no experience to speak of. To him the Lord Jesus Christ is all.

Keep the Cross in its scriptural perspective, dear brethren. Let us ever say with the Apostle, “God forbid that I should glory except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world” (Gal 6:14). Not surrender, but death—an accomplished death—in the person of the Lord Jesus.

Thus we pass dry-shod, as the type has it, out of the Egypt-of-bondage to sin, into the Canaan of the liberty of the Spirit. Still with the sense of all the wondrous fullness of the blessing in Christ Jesus, we will say with the same dear servant of God we have just quoted, “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect (mature), but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which I was apprehended of Christ Jesus” (Phl 3:12).

—S Ridout (1826–1895)







MJS daily devotion for September 9, 2025

The object of the Christian life is that we may center in the Object of the Father—His Beloved Son. -MJS

"If we go on with the Father, sweet as is the assurance that we belong to Him, yet the uppermost thought will in the long run be Himself. We shall come back to His Person. We shall in our praises weave with them what the Lord Jesus has done, suffered, and won for us; but the primary thought in our hearts is, not what we have gained, however true, but what He has been for us and what He is for us, yes, what He is in Himself." -J.B.S.

"There is usually only occupation with the Lord Jesus for the relief of the conscience, and if so, where does it stop? It stops when the relief is gained. But if He is the object of the heart, you will never be satisfied but in fellowship with Him where He is."

"I know of no arguments, and I am acquainted with no power, that will move the heart to devotedness except the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Himself and His love. It is possible to read books by the score, and to listen to the most faithful and blessed ministry for years on end, and yet never know the Lord Jesus as a present loving Object in heavenly glory. It is nigh impossible to see and know Him there by faith without a resulting intense desire to be wholly devoted to Him here.

"We have a new Person before us as the Object of our faith and affections; and as we drop ourselves and have the Lord Jesus as our Object, He is formed in us. What has been judicially accomplished at the Cross has its fruition by the Spirit in our souls, and it is by that principle that we grow." -C.A.C.
 

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While I do not doubt that many a child of God has received distinct and marked blessings at certain stages of life, I believe it is a great mistake to construct a theory out of it. Many a devout Christian has enjoyed the liberty of the Spirit under some such name as “the second blessing,” “higher life,” “a baptism of the Spirit,” “perfect love,” “entire sanctification” or “Spirit filled life.” But under whatever name, it is an experience, and it is made dependent upon the “surrender of self,” as it is called.

But notice: It occupies us with self instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. It may be a very lovely self, but self-occupation never helps the soul. It begets subtle pride (Gal 6:3—NC). There must be a fresh, daily feeding upon Him, in the Word. Again, it tends to divide God’s people into classes; some have experienced the “blessing,” and others have not.

Now, while it is perfectly true there are various stages of maturity in the Christian life, and while Scripture speaks of “fathers, young men, and children” (1Jn 2), yet it is not in this way of attainment. People do not set themselves to be fathers, etc. It is a matter of growth. Further, I am convinced that surrender is not what God calls for first, nor in this connection. You will find that where these systems call for surrender, God’s Word puts the Cross.

The sixth of Romans comes before the twelfth. In the latter we have the surrender, but it is not to get or to attain; it is because he has entered into what is his; he has accepted the wondrous fact of his death with Christ, and of the Spirit’s presence and power. A crucified man has no experience to speak of. To him the Lord Jesus Christ is all.

Keep the Cross in its scriptural perspective, dear brethren. Let us ever say with the Apostle, “God forbid that I should glory except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world” (Gal 6:14). Not surrender, but death—an accomplished death—in the person of the Lord Jesus.

Thus we pass dry-shod, as the type has it, out of the Egypt-of-bondage to sin, into the Canaan of the liberty of the Spirit. Still with the sense of all the wondrous fullness of the blessing in Christ Jesus, we will say with the same dear servant of God we have just quoted, “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect (mature), but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which I was apprehended of Christ Jesus” (Phl 3:12).

—S Ridout (1826–1895)







MJS daily devotion for September 9, 2025

The object of the Christian life is that we may center in the Object of the Father—His Beloved Son. -MJS

"If we go on with the Father, sweet as is the assurance that we belong to Him, yet the uppermost thought will in the long run be Himself. We shall come back to His Person. We shall in our praises weave with them what the Lord Jesus has done, suffered, and won for us; but the primary thought in our hearts is, not what we have gained, however true, but what He has been for us and what He is for us, yes, what He is in Himself." -J.B.S.

"There is usually only occupation with the Lord Jesus for the relief of the conscience, and if so, where does it stop? It stops when the relief is gained. But if He is the object of the heart, you will never be satisfied but in fellowship with Him where He is."

"I know of no arguments, and I am acquainted with no power, that will move the heart to devotedness except the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Himself and His love. It is possible to read books by the score, and to listen to the most faithful and blessed ministry for years on end, and yet never know the Lord Jesus as a present loving Object in heavenly glory. It is nigh impossible to see and know Him there by faith without a resulting intense desire to be wholly devoted to Him here.

"We have a new Person before us as the Object of our faith and affections; and as we drop ourselves and have the Lord Jesus as our Object, He is formed in us. What has been judicially accomplished at the Cross has its fruition by the Spirit in our souls, and it is by that principle that we grow." -C.A.C.
It's a bit deep, but I think the idea is: we cannot strive to please God. We can only rest in Him.

And that's because Christ did it all for us--even from eternity, before time for us began. God always had us in mind, and even in the event we fail, He had already appropriated, within Himself, the cure. That was Christ.

Let's not strive to be like Christ. Let us simply look to Him, and receive from Him what He has always been willing to give us--His righteousness and His fellowship.
 
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It's a bit deep, but I think the idea is: we cannot strive to please God. We can only rest in Him.
Hi Brother Randy! Pretty good reply, just need some fine-adjusting. "Resting" in our Father can have varying meanings, but to me I see it as resting, as much as possible, or "ceased from his own works" (Heb 4:10), i.e. from our evil works, because I wouldn't think it refers to resting from our good works in Christ.

It's true that "pleasing" God need not require striving, but continuous attention to pleasing Him, because this is what He "works" in us anyway (Phl 2:13).
Let's not strive to be like Christ.
There is mimicking the Lord Jesus, but best yet is allowing Him to live His own Life in and through us. Nobody can live another's life but their own. (this is also my signature)

You are following a good path in Christ!
 
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Hi Brother Randy! Pretty good reply, just need some fine-adjusting. "Resting" in our Father can have varying meanings, but to me I see it as resting, as much as possible, or "ceased from his own works" (Heb 4:10), i.e. from our evil works, because I wouldn't think it refers to resting from our good works in Christ.

It's true that "pleasing" God need not require striving, but continuous attention to pleasing Him, because this is what He "works" in us anyway (Phl 2:13).

There is mimicking the Lord Jesus, but best yet is allowing Him to live His own Life in and through us. Nobody can live another's life but their own. (this is also my signature)

You are following a good path in Christ! Thanks for giving this balance.
100% agree.
 

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Hi Brother Randy! Pretty good reply, just need some fine-adjusting. "Resting" in our Father can have varying meanings, but to me I see it as resting, as much as possible, or "ceased from his own works" (Heb 4:10), i.e. from our evil works, because I wouldn't think it refers to resting from our good works in Christ.

It's true that "pleasing" God need not require striving, but continuous attention to pleasing Him, because this is what He "works" in us anyway (Phl 2:13).

There is mimicking the Lord Jesus, but best yet is allowing Him to live His own Life in and through us. Nobody can live another's life but their own. (this is also my signature)

You are following a good path in Christ!
After this exchange I had a similar one on another forum, raising the same issue: Do we "do," or do we "rest?" 2 sides of the coins, I think? The thread had to do with "Imputation"--do we let Christ do it all for us, or is there something we must do, as well? Here was my answer to her, based on this particular exchange we had...

Someone said:
Amen to that!

In the original church the goal was to transform man.
Today it seems that this is no longer needed because, it seems, Jesus has IMPUTED to us His very holiness and purity!

No need for us to do anything....
JUST BELIEVE (whatever that means)
and all will be just fine.

So here are the two ways we can look at our sin nature.

1. We remain as dung.
But we cover it up with Jesus.

2. We attempt to cleanse ourselves of the dung.

The early church taught the latter.
But it's EASIER to believe the former (no. 1)

Let's just let Jesus do all the work while we sit around and teach that
doing nothing is OK because works are not necessary to our salvation.
Obedience is really not necessary either. Some on this very Forum will
state that obedience does not keep us saved.
But then turn around and state that, yes, of course we should obey but it's because we WANT to.

I don't remember any Covenant having what we WANT to do as part of the stipulation.
But why discuss Covenants?

Better to just discuss what we THINK the NT teaches.
Better to HEAR what the new theologians are teaching...
NOT the ones that were alive at the time of Jesus
or those that the Apostles taught directly.
What do they know?
After all THEY weren't inspired....
but the modern day thologians, I guess, they are inspired.


I answered:
I just had a discussion on this on another forum, and I found that there are 2 sides of the coin. When I give one side of the coin it is protested that I don't give the other side of the coin! ;)

Let me explain. You're completely right that we must *do something* when we convert to Christianity--we must repent and convert. And we must *do something* after we've become Christian--we must do good works befitting the Christian life, to show our maturation, and to get things accomplished in accordance with the Gospel mission.

On the other hand, in the time of the Reformation it was discovered that in the State churches, nominal Christians were doing things to get saved--we can't earn our way to heaven. And it was discovered that nominal Christians were doing good works by their own unrenewed minds, thinking that they were serving God when they were only trying to establish their own reputation for their own selfish purposes.

So, we have to recognize that when I say we should not try to imitate Christ I mean that we cannot, of our own independent mind, be like Christ. We have to accept *his mind,* and obey *his spiritual word to our hearts.*

But clearly, we have access to God's word to our hearts such that we can repent and convert to Christ. We can receive God's word to our hearts and obey Christ. We can do good works inspired by the Holy Spirit and please God.

So, those who say we must just receive the love of God, they aren't completely wrong--they're just giving one side of the equation. We could never love unless God loves us 1st!

But true Christianity is a matter of receiving the word of God, which God gives to all of mankind. True Christians respond to God's word, convert, repent, obey and do good works. Unless we do this, we're not being true Christians, as you say.
 

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Do we "do," or do we "rest?"
We defiantly do, via the guidance and enablement of God's Spirit using the Life of Christ in us (Col 3:4). The "rest" is in reference to
So, we have to recognize that when I say we should not try to imitate Christ I mean that we cannot, of our own independent mind, be like Christ. We have to accept *his mind,* and obey *his spiritual word to our hearts.*
"We have the mind of Christ" (1Co 2:16), which God uses by His Word and Spirit (Jhn 16:13); the Spirit being the Author (2Pe 1:21; 2Ti 3:16) and Teacher (1Co 2:13).

"True Christians respond to God's word, convert, repent, obey and do good works. Unless we do this, we're not being true Christians."
This is the core of it all!

Thanks for the instructional replies Brother!!
 
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