The Dangerous Lie That You Don’t Need to Repent

[bdavidc]

it is obvious we are done

Good luck trying to get non believers to repent from sin.

they are not able to do this.. they must repent and come to salvation first.

My father taught your lordship salvation and I was afraid for years to go spread the gospel because of how many times my Dad got a hand in the fact.

You judge a person for personal sin and say they must stop or repent of that sin first. You have most likely lost that person.

Jesus did not come to judge, he came to save.

What you’re promoting is not the gospel, it’s rebellion wrapped in religious talk. You are resisting the plain teaching of Scripture and excusing sin under the banner of false grace.

You say, “Good luck trying to get nonbelievers to repent from sin,” as if repentance is optional. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). That is not a suggestion; it is a warning. Repentance is not something you do after salvation, it is part of the very foundation of the gospel. “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). That came straight from the mouth of Jesus.


You claim unbelievers can’t repent. The Bible says God “commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). Are you calling God a liar? Are you saying He commands the impossible? No, you just don’t like the command. You say your father taught repentance, and it made you afraid to share the gospel. Then your fear was not rooted in truth, it was rooted in pride. The gospel calls sinners to die to self, and yes, that means turning from sin.


You say we “judge a person for personal sin.” God does. “The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). You don’t come to Jesus while clinging to the sin He died to save you from. That’s not salvation, that’s hypocrisy.


And don’t twist John 3:17 to silence the truth. Jesus said, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18). He didn’t come to judge because the world is already condemned. That’s why He calls sinners to repent and believe. If you’re preaching a Jesus who lets sinners stay in rebellion and still be saved, then you are preaching another Jesus, and Paul had strong words for that:

“If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

You are not defending grace, you are abusing it. “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.” (Romans 6:1–2)

Repent, or stop speaking. The gospel is not yours to rewrite.

 

[marks]

You’re preaching a false peace. You make reconciliation sound like a passive status applied to all without faith, without repentance, without the new birth.

I've specifically stated otherwise. You need to consider your misrepresentation of others. It's dishonest.

Repentance is from unbelief to belief, and is a repudiation of who and what we are before Christ. Reconciliation has been made, but must be received. Only new birth saves us, and gives us power over sin. I've stated these things plainly, and yet you speak such about me.

Best to just keep to discussing the Bible, and not continue to make uninformed statements. These things are not spirit, they are from flesh.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What you’re promoting is not the gospel, it’s rebellion wrapped in religious talk. You are resisting the plain teaching of Scripture and excusing sin under the banner of false grace.

all silly accusation not based on any ounce of fact.

You say, “Good luck trying to get nonbelievers to repent from sin,” as if repentance is optional. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). That is not a suggestion; it is a warning. Repentance is not something you do after salvation, it is part of the very foundation of the gospel. “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). That came straight from the mouth of Jesus.

I do not see the word sin in that passage

You claim unbelievers can’t repent.

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

You say we “judge a person for personal sin.” God does. “The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). You don’t come to Jesus while clinging to the sin He died to save you from. That’s not salvation, that’s hypocrisy.

Your right, we come to jusus as the tax collector did. unable to even look up to heaven because of our shame..

but again, this is not repenting from sin. this is repenting for unbelief

And don’t twist John 3:17 to silence the truth. Jesus said, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

Dude. I am about ready to put you on report. Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

I did not twist anything.

He didn’t come to judge because the world is already condemned. That’s why He calls sinners to repent and believe. If you’re preaching a Jesus who lets sinners stay in rebellion and still be saved, then you are preaching another Jesus, and Paul had strong words for that:

I never made any such claim.. Again you bear false witness

“If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

You are not defending grace, you are abusing it. “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.” (Romans 6:1–2)

Repent, or stop speaking. The gospel is not yours to rewrite.

again, bearing false witness. And I guess we really are done now.. one more time you do this I will put you on report.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've specifically stated otherwise. You need to consider your misrepresentation of others. It's dishonest.

Repentance is from unbelief to belief, and is a repudiation of who and what we are before Christ. Reconciliation has been made, but must be received. Only new birth saves us, and gives us power over sin. I've stated these things plainly, and yet you speak such about me.

Best to just keep to discussing the Bible, and not continue to make uninformed statements. These things are not spirit, they are from flesh.

Much love!

you see why I said I was done yesterday. I should have stayed away lol

 

[bdavidc]

"Already happened for everyone" This is not Scriptural language, nor have I spoken this way.

Again, the Scriptures state plainly, as I've shown, that God reconciled the world to Himself, and we have to receive that reconciliation. Nothing I've quoted is twisted, and nothing is out of context.

I counsel you to accept the plain sayings of the Bible.

Much love!

You are not standing on Scripture, you are twisting it to push a false message. You keep saying, “God reconciled the world to Himself,” but you leave out the rest of the passage. Right after saying that, the Bible says, “Be ye reconciled to God.” That means it’s not automatic. If everyone was already reconciled, there would be no need for anyone to respond.

You claim you didn’t say reconciliation already happened for everyone, but your argument says otherwise. You’re pushing the idea that everyone is already good with God, they just need to recognize it. That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible says, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18), and “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). If someone doesn’t repent and believe the gospel, they are not reconciled.

Saying “God reconciled the world” without also saying people must receive that reconciliation is only telling half the truth, and half-truths are still lies. You are leaving out the command to repent and believe, which is how someone actually becomes reconciled to God through Christ.

I do not need a false teacher counseling me when you can not even read what the Bible actually states.

The Bible doesn’t say “you’re already saved,” or “you’re already reconciled,” it says: “Repent and believe the gospel.” You are not quoting Scripture in context, you are using it to sell a message that removes conviction, removes repentance, and turns the gospel into a feel-good lie.

Stop changing what God said. Reconciliation is offered, but it must be received. That’s the whole point of the gospel. Reject that, and you reject the truth.

 

[marks]

you see why I said I was done yesterday. I should have stayed away lol

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are not standing on Scripture, you are twisting it to push a false message. You keep saying, “God reconciled the world to Himself,” but you leave out the rest of the passage. Right after saying that, the Bible says, “Be ye reconciled to God.” That means it’s not automatic. If everyone was already reconciled, there would be no need for anyone to respond.

You claim you didn’t say reconciliation already happened for everyone, but your argument says otherwise. You’re pushing the idea that everyone is already good with God, they just need to recognize it. That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible says, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18), and “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). If someone doesn’t repent and believe the gospel, they are not reconciled.

How many times need I to say this? God reconciled the world to Himself, yet we still have to receive that reconciliation. I've stated our need to be reborn. I've said this clearly and repeatedly. You are simply being dishonest, while claiming that I am false, which makes your dishonesty hypocrisy.

All because I won't pretend words mean something other than what they do.

Dangerous lies, that's right, the lies you tell about others, these are dangerous to you. I hope you can see this, I hope you can repent from these.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

all silly accusation not based on any ounce of fact.

I do not see the word sin in that passage

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

Your right, we come to jusus as the tax collector did. unable to even look up to heaven because of our shame..

but again, this is not repenting from sin. this is repenting for unbelief

Dude. I am about ready to put you on report. Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

I did not twist anything.

I never made any such claim.. Again you bear false witness

again, bearing false witness. And I guess we really are done now.. one more time you do this I will put you on report.

You keep threatening to “report” me as if that will somehow cancel the Word of God. I’m not moved by your warnings, and I’m not intimidated by your offense. You have not been falsely accused. What you are promoting is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s a counterfeit message that separates repentance from sin, and that is not how Scripture defines repentance. The Bible does not say repentance is just from unbelief. That’s your own invented definition, and it’s false. The Word says, “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD” (Isaiah 55:7). That is turning from sin, not just changing your mind about God.


Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). Not “except ye believe,” but repent. Mark 1:15 says, “Repent ye, and believe the gospel.” Repentance comes with faith, not after. It is part of the foundation, not some optional add-on. You claim I’m “bearing false witness,” but your own words expose the lie: you deny repentance from sin and call it a “work” or say it happens after someone is saved. That’s not biblical, it’s dangerous.


If preaching the full gospel offends you, then report the Bible, because I’m quoting it. You don’t get to play victim when the truth cuts deep. “Preach the word... reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2). That’s what I’m doing. If that bothers you, take it up with God. But don’t pretend I’m misrepresenting you. You are the one redefining repentance to fit a system that lets people cling to their sin while claiming salvation.


I’ll keep speaking the truth. You can report me all day long, but you will still have to answer to the Judge who commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30).

The lie that “repentance is only from unbelief” is not found in Scripture; it is a distortion used by people who want salvation without surrender, forgiveness without forsaking, and grace without obedience. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). And He meant repentance from sin.

 

[bdavidc]

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

No, I’m not the one bullying anyone. I’ve simply stood on Scripture and defended the truth. If pointing to what the Bible actually says offends you, that’s not bullying, that’s conviction. I’ve kept my responses focused on the Word of God, while you’ve responded with personal attacks. Don’t confuse boldness for aggression.

 

[bdavidc]

How many times need I to say this? God reconciled the world to Himself, yet we still have to receive that reconciliation. I've stated our need to be reborn. I've said this clearly and repeatedly. You are simply being dishonest, while claiming that I am false, which makes your dishonesty hypocrisy.

All because I won't pretend words mean something other than what they do.

Dangerous lies, that's right, the lies you tell about others, these are dangerous to you. I hope you can see this, I hope you can repent from these.

Repeating a false teaching does not make it true. Again, you keep saying the world is already reconciled to God and we just have to “receive” it. That’s not what the Bible says. You’re twisting Scripture to make it sound like everyone is already right with God before they repent. That’s false.

The Bible says we are enemies of God until we are reconciled through Christ (Romans 5:10). If we were already reconciled before faith and repentance, there would be no need to preach the Gospel at all. But Paul says clearly, “We pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God” (2 Corinthians 5:20). That’s a command, not a description of something that already happened.

You can repeat your made-up version all you want, but it’s still not in the Bible. And calling me dishonest for pointing that out doesn’t change anything. You’re not teaching truth, you’re spreading confusion. Stop rewriting God’s Word to fit your idea. Repent, and believe what it actually says.

 

[marks]

Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

That seems to be his modus operandi, which makes reasonable discussion impossible. And he doesn't seem to be able to distinguish what he says about his Scriptural views, and what he says to malign others. All good in his eyes.

So I don't think I'm going to read any more of his posts.

Much love!

 

[marks]

2 Corinthians 5:11-21 LITV
11) Then, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, and we have been known to God; and I also hope to have been known in your consciences.
12) For we do not again commend ourselves to you, but are giving you occasion of glorying on our behalf, that you may have it toward those boasting in appearance and not in heart.
13) For if we are insane, it is to God; or if we are clear-minded, it is for you.
14) For the love of Christ constrains us, having judged this, that if One died for all, then all died;
15) and He died for all, that the living ones may live no more to themselves, but to the One having died for them and having been raised.
16) So as we now know no one according to flesh, but even if we have known Christ according to flesh, yet now we no longer know Him so.
17) So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new!
18) And all things are from God, the One having reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and having given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
19) as, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not charging their deviations to them, and having put the Word of reconciliation in us.
20) Then on behalf of Christ, we are ambassadors, as God is exhorting through us, we beseech on behalf of Christ, Be reconciled to God.
21) For He made the One who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 5:5-11 LITV
5) And the hope does not put us to shame, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us;
6) for we yet being without strength, in due time Christ died for ungodly ones.
7) For with difficulty one will die for a just one, (for perhaps one even dares to die for the sake of the good one),
8) but God commends His love to us in this, that we being yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9) Much more then, being justified now by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through Him.
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

Report and move on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That seems to be his modus operandi, which makes reasonable discussion impossible. And he doesn't seem to be able to distinguish what he says about his Scriptural views, and what he says to malign others. All good in his eyes.

So I don't think I'm going to read any more of his posts.

Much love!

Agree.

 

[ShineTheLight]

Uh oh, the OSAS, eternal security, false grace peoples are comin for you bro! View attachment 63541

There's this other thing called easy believism. You're also contending with easy believers. And easy believist wants to be told the smooth things more than what is right.

people can not stand those who put faith in Christ as the means of their salvation. and understand they can not buy their ticket to heaven.

that's why the pharisees crucified Christ.

The same Christ who had many disciples turn their back on him and walked no more with him. There are many people who think they are walking with Jesus but are not.

The ancient Israelites turned from God and parted ways with him because they were following God on their own terms. What happened to the ancient Israelites can and will happen to partakers in the body of Christ during our day.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There's this other thing called easy believism. You're also contending with easy believers. And easy believist wants to be told the smooth things more than what is right.

the most amazing thing is placing ones faith in Christ alone is the hardest thing a person will ever do. because they have to totally humble themselves.

so the term easy belief does not really fit.

now. Licentious belief (which is no faith at all) yes.. we do have to deal with them, but to be honest. I have only met a few. how many have you met?

The same Christ who had many disciples turn their back on him and walked no more with him. There are many people who think they are walking with Jesus but are not.

amen,

and think about it. why did the jews reject him, what was his message to them that caused them to get angry?

The ancient Israelites turned from God and parted ways with him because they were following God on their own terms. What happened to the ancient Israelites can and will happen to partakers in the body of Christ during our day.

yes. so they never trusted him.. we see this when they left Egypt. complaining all the time proving they had no real faith in God..

 

[PS95]

What you're saying sounds close, but it splits things that the Bible keeps together. Repentance is not something extra or separate from being born again, it’s part of how God brings us to new life. The Greek word metanoia means a change of mind, yes, but it’s not just about thinking differently. It’s a deep turning from sin and self toward God. That’s why Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). He didn’t say that to scare people, He said it because repentance is required to be saved.

You said repentance doesn’t make us Christians, but the Bible says in Acts 3:19, “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.” That shows repentance and conversion go hand in hand. No one gets saved without turning to God. In Acts 2:38, Peter told the crowd, “Repent, and be baptized... for the remission of sins.” Repentance comes first, not after.

Yes, it’s God who causes us to be born again (John 3:5, Titus 3:5), but that doesn’t happen without repentance. Ephesians 2 says we were dead in sin, but God made us alive with Christ, by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8). That faith always comes with repentance. It’s not just belief in facts, it’s a surrendered heart. No one in Scripture was ever saved without turning away from sin.

Repentance doesn’t earn salvation, but it’s the first real sign that someone is being drawn to God (John 6:44). Without it, you’re just giving lip service. Paul said his mission was to preach “that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance” (Acts 26:20). That’s not extra, that’s the biblical pattern.

So no, repentance isn’t just a new opinion. It’s the doorway to life. It’s how God brings a person low so He can raise them up. Without repentance, there is no new birth, no forgiveness, and no salvation. That’s not man’s idea, that’s God’s Word.

Exactly brother, and even repentance is of God- His kindness leads us to repentance.

4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? --Romans 2:4

Prior we loved our sins and lived as we pleased. Once God speaks to our hearts we no longer want to live in sin and see our need for forgiveness. That is because repentance begins in the heart and mind, or we would never see our need for salvation in the first place and we then accept Jesus as our Savior.
Once saved, the Spirit of God in us gives us the power to put to death the deeds of the flesh. If we continue to walk in the flesh it is death. But as we walk in the Spirit we kill our flesh and live. it is all of God. We sure cant do any of that ourselves! The blood of Jesus forgives our sins and Christ in us- transforms us into new creatures via sanctification. We are saved- we are being saved and we will be saved. Sanctification is a process. Now we see sins in us that we never saw before- even sins just in momentary thoughts that are wrong..
and so yes, we do repent of them too. Some see that as heresy!!! I see it God pouring out His love through his Spirit in us and showing us how to walk!

Sadly, there are people here who deny ANY repentance and deny confessing sin and deny that a saved believer can sin.! What? They will accuse you of not being saved by grace. Everything is seen as a work to be saved to to "stay" saved..
They don't discern our works of the law VS the works of God in us.
I don't know how to make them see this.
I think they must know this is God is working in them too... is it a lack of communication- a picking apart of definitions of words? IDK

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, when someone is walking in sin God sees them as being corrupt.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

Now the Lord is trying to tell people to repent, but if they ignore Him and continue living in sin and die in that state, the wages of sin is death so the reward for living in sin is NOT being brought in to Heaven and be told "well done my good and faithful servant"

Those living in sin are NOT serving the Lord and are not doing good, so those that die in sin get the devil's reward which is spending eternity separated from the Lord in hell.

Those claiming someone can live in sin and still be saved are in fact speaking in behalf of the devil and are mocking God according to Galatians 6:7-8

This is what the devil did in the garden is claiming one can disobey the Lord and they will not die... this is what the false teachers are saying today that one can be disobedient to the Lord and still be saved as they speak in behalf of the devil

Romans 8:13,14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Well you answered your own complaint! there is a huge difference between living in unrepented sin, and may struggling with an area of sin due ot weakness.

And god does see His children as perfect:

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Through Jesus blood, god sees us as perfect and now He is making us as perfect as He sees us.

Sin is not the issue for Gods children- Jesus took all our sins and became them and suffered Gods judgment for those sins.

That is not a license to sin. We need no license to sin, our human nature does sin by default!

It does give us the authority to grow in grace and knowledge and learn to shed the old man and live in the new man more and more!

As it says in Philippians:
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

If a child of God chooses to backslide, it is not God who punishes that child, but the sin itself that punishes them. God does this to lead us back to Himself. sin and not God causes consequences for our sin.

WE are children of God forever. and we shall liove as either obedient or disobedient children, but either way we are His children.