The Dangerous Lie That You Don’t Need to Repent

[bdavidc]

it is obvious we are done

Good luck trying to get non believers to repent from sin.

they are not able to do this.. they must repent and come to salvation first.

My father taught your lordship salvation and I was afraid for years to go spread the gospel because of how many times my Dad got a hand in the fact.

You judge a person for personal sin and say they must stop or repent of that sin first. You have most likely lost that person.

Jesus did not come to judge, he came to save.

What you’re promoting is not the gospel, it’s rebellion wrapped in religious talk. You are resisting the plain teaching of Scripture and excusing sin under the banner of false grace.

You say, “Good luck trying to get nonbelievers to repent from sin,” as if repentance is optional. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). That is not a suggestion; it is a warning. Repentance is not something you do after salvation, it is part of the very foundation of the gospel. “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). That came straight from the mouth of Jesus.


You claim unbelievers can’t repent. The Bible says God “commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). Are you calling God a liar? Are you saying He commands the impossible? No, you just don’t like the command. You say your father taught repentance, and it made you afraid to share the gospel. Then your fear was not rooted in truth, it was rooted in pride. The gospel calls sinners to die to self, and yes, that means turning from sin.


You say we “judge a person for personal sin.” God does. “The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). You don’t come to Jesus while clinging to the sin He died to save you from. That’s not salvation, that’s hypocrisy.


And don’t twist John 3:17 to silence the truth. Jesus said, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18). He didn’t come to judge because the world is already condemned. That’s why He calls sinners to repent and believe. If you’re preaching a Jesus who lets sinners stay in rebellion and still be saved, then you are preaching another Jesus, and Paul had strong words for that:

“If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

You are not defending grace, you are abusing it. “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.” (Romans 6:1–2)

Repent, or stop speaking. The gospel is not yours to rewrite.

 

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You’re preaching a false peace. You make reconciliation sound like a passive status applied to all without faith, without repentance, without the new birth.

I've specifically stated otherwise. You need to consider your misrepresentation of others. It's dishonest.

Repentance is from unbelief to belief, and is a repudiation of who and what we are before Christ. Reconciliation has been made, but must be received. Only new birth saves us, and gives us power over sin. I've stated these things plainly, and yet you speak such about me.

Best to just keep to discussing the Bible, and not continue to make uninformed statements. These things are not spirit, they are from flesh.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What you’re promoting is not the gospel, it’s rebellion wrapped in religious talk. You are resisting the plain teaching of Scripture and excusing sin under the banner of false grace.

all silly accusation not based on any ounce of fact.

You say, “Good luck trying to get nonbelievers to repent from sin,” as if repentance is optional. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). That is not a suggestion; it is a warning. Repentance is not something you do after salvation, it is part of the very foundation of the gospel. “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). That came straight from the mouth of Jesus.

I do not see the word sin in that passage

You claim unbelievers can’t repent.

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

You say we “judge a person for personal sin.” God does. “The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30). You don’t come to Jesus while clinging to the sin He died to save you from. That’s not salvation, that’s hypocrisy.

Your right, we come to jusus as the tax collector did. unable to even look up to heaven because of our shame..

but again, this is not repenting from sin. this is repenting for unbelief

And don’t twist John 3:17 to silence the truth. Jesus said, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

Dude. I am about ready to put you on report. Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

I did not twist anything.

He didn’t come to judge because the world is already condemned. That’s why He calls sinners to repent and believe. If you’re preaching a Jesus who lets sinners stay in rebellion and still be saved, then you are preaching another Jesus, and Paul had strong words for that:

I never made any such claim.. Again you bear false witness

“If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

You are not defending grace, you are abusing it. “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.” (Romans 6:1–2)

Repent, or stop speaking. The gospel is not yours to rewrite.

again, bearing false witness. And I guess we really are done now.. one more time you do this I will put you on report.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've specifically stated otherwise. You need to consider your misrepresentation of others. It's dishonest.

Repentance is from unbelief to belief, and is a repudiation of who and what we are before Christ. Reconciliation has been made, but must be received. Only new birth saves us, and gives us power over sin. I've stated these things plainly, and yet you speak such about me.

Best to just keep to discussing the Bible, and not continue to make uninformed statements. These things are not spirit, they are from flesh.

Much love!

you see why I said I was done yesterday. I should have stayed away lol

 

[bdavidc]

"Already happened for everyone" This is not Scriptural language, nor have I spoken this way.

Again, the Scriptures state plainly, as I've shown, that God reconciled the world to Himself, and we have to receive that reconciliation. Nothing I've quoted is twisted, and nothing is out of context.

I counsel you to accept the plain sayings of the Bible.

Much love!

You are not standing on Scripture, you are twisting it to push a false message. You keep saying, “God reconciled the world to Himself,” but you leave out the rest of the passage. Right after saying that, the Bible says, “Be ye reconciled to God.” That means it’s not automatic. If everyone was already reconciled, there would be no need for anyone to respond.

You claim you didn’t say reconciliation already happened for everyone, but your argument says otherwise. You’re pushing the idea that everyone is already good with God, they just need to recognize it. That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible says, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18), and “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). If someone doesn’t repent and believe the gospel, they are not reconciled.

Saying “God reconciled the world” without also saying people must receive that reconciliation is only telling half the truth, and half-truths are still lies. You are leaving out the command to repent and believe, which is how someone actually becomes reconciled to God through Christ.

I do not need a false teacher counseling me when you can not even read what the Bible actually states.

The Bible doesn’t say “you’re already saved,” or “you’re already reconciled,” it says: “Repent and believe the gospel.” You are not quoting Scripture in context, you are using it to sell a message that removes conviction, removes repentance, and turns the gospel into a feel-good lie.

Stop changing what God said. Reconciliation is offered, but it must be received. That’s the whole point of the gospel. Reject that, and you reject the truth.

 

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you see why I said I was done yesterday. I should have stayed away lol

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

 

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You are not standing on Scripture, you are twisting it to push a false message. You keep saying, “God reconciled the world to Himself,” but you leave out the rest of the passage. Right after saying that, the Bible says, “Be ye reconciled to God.” That means it’s not automatic. If everyone was already reconciled, there would be no need for anyone to respond.

You claim you didn’t say reconciliation already happened for everyone, but your argument says otherwise. You’re pushing the idea that everyone is already good with God, they just need to recognize it. That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible says, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18), and “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). If someone doesn’t repent and believe the gospel, they are not reconciled.

How many times need I to say this? God reconciled the world to Himself, yet we still have to receive that reconciliation. I've stated our need to be reborn. I've said this clearly and repeatedly. You are simply being dishonest, while claiming that I am false, which makes your dishonesty hypocrisy.

All because I won't pretend words mean something other than what they do.

Dangerous lies, that's right, the lies you tell about others, these are dangerous to you. I hope you can see this, I hope you can repent from these.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

all silly accusation not based on any ounce of fact.

I do not see the word sin in that passage

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

Your right, we come to jusus as the tax collector did. unable to even look up to heaven because of our shame..

but again, this is not repenting from sin. this is repenting for unbelief

Dude. I am about ready to put you on report. Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

I did not twist anything.

I never made any such claim.. Again you bear false witness

again, bearing false witness. And I guess we really are done now.. one more time you do this I will put you on report.

You keep threatening to “report” me as if that will somehow cancel the Word of God. I’m not moved by your warnings, and I’m not intimidated by your offense. You have not been falsely accused. What you are promoting is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s a counterfeit message that separates repentance from sin, and that is not how Scripture defines repentance. The Bible does not say repentance is just from unbelief. That’s your own invented definition, and it’s false. The Word says, “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD” (Isaiah 55:7). That is turning from sin, not just changing your mind about God.


Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). Not “except ye believe,” but repent. Mark 1:15 says, “Repent ye, and believe the gospel.” Repentance comes with faith, not after. It is part of the foundation, not some optional add-on. You claim I’m “bearing false witness,” but your own words expose the lie: you deny repentance from sin and call it a “work” or say it happens after someone is saved. That’s not biblical, it’s dangerous.


If preaching the full gospel offends you, then report the Bible, because I’m quoting it. You don’t get to play victim when the truth cuts deep. “Preach the word... reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2). That’s what I’m doing. If that bothers you, take it up with God. But don’t pretend I’m misrepresenting you. You are the one redefining repentance to fit a system that lets people cling to their sin while claiming salvation.


I’ll keep speaking the truth. You can report me all day long, but you will still have to answer to the Judge who commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30).

The lie that “repentance is only from unbelief” is not found in Scripture; it is a distortion used by people who want salvation without surrender, forgiveness without forsaking, and grace without obedience. But Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). And He meant repentance from sin.

 

[bdavidc]

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

No, I’m not the one bullying anyone. I’ve simply stood on Scripture and defended the truth. If pointing to what the Bible actually says offends you, that’s not bullying, that’s conviction. I’ve kept my responses focused on the Word of God, while you’ve responded with personal attacks. Don’t confuse boldness for aggression.

 

[bdavidc]

How many times need I to say this? God reconciled the world to Himself, yet we still have to receive that reconciliation. I've stated our need to be reborn. I've said this clearly and repeatedly. You are simply being dishonest, while claiming that I am false, which makes your dishonesty hypocrisy.

All because I won't pretend words mean something other than what they do.

Dangerous lies, that's right, the lies you tell about others, these are dangerous to you. I hope you can see this, I hope you can repent from these.

Repeating a false teaching does not make it true. Again, you keep saying the world is already reconciled to God and we just have to “receive” it. That’s not what the Bible says. You’re twisting Scripture to make it sound like everyone is already right with God before they repent. That’s false.

The Bible says we are enemies of God until we are reconciled through Christ (Romans 5:10). If we were already reconciled before faith and repentance, there would be no need to preach the Gospel at all. But Paul says clearly, “We pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God” (2 Corinthians 5:20). That’s a command, not a description of something that already happened.

You can repeat your made-up version all you want, but it’s still not in the Bible. And calling me dishonest for pointing that out doesn’t change anything. You’re not teaching truth, you’re spreading confusion. Stop rewriting God’s Word to fit your idea. Repent, and believe what it actually says.

 

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Don;t you dare falsly accuse me like you keep doing.

That seems to be his modus operandi, which makes reasonable discussion impossible. And he doesn't seem to be able to distinguish what he says about his Scriptural views, and what he says to malign others. All good in his eyes.

So I don't think I'm going to read any more of his posts.

Much love!

 

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2 Corinthians 5:11-21 LITV
11) Then, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, and we have been known to God; and I also hope to have been known in your consciences.
12) For we do not again commend ourselves to you, but are giving you occasion of glorying on our behalf, that you may have it toward those boasting in appearance and not in heart.
13) For if we are insane, it is to God; or if we are clear-minded, it is for you.
14) For the love of Christ constrains us, having judged this, that if One died for all, then all died;
15) and He died for all, that the living ones may live no more to themselves, but to the One having died for them and having been raised.
16) So as we now know no one according to flesh, but even if we have known Christ according to flesh, yet now we no longer know Him so.
17) So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new!
18) And all things are from God, the One having reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and having given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
19) as, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not charging their deviations to them, and having put the Word of reconciliation in us.
20) Then on behalf of Christ, we are ambassadors, as God is exhorting through us, we beseech on behalf of Christ, Be reconciled to God.
21) For He made the One who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 5:5-11 LITV
5) And the hope does not put us to shame, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us;
6) for we yet being without strength, in due time Christ died for ungodly ones.
7) For with difficulty one will die for a just one, (for perhaps one even dares to die for the sake of the good one),
8) but God commends His love to us in this, that we being yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9) Much more then, being justified now by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through Him.
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The guy acts like a bully. So . . . stay away, or confront? There's the question.

Much love!

Report and move on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That seems to be his modus operandi, which makes reasonable discussion impossible. And he doesn't seem to be able to distinguish what he says about his Scriptural views, and what he says to malign others. All good in his eyes.

So I don't think I'm going to read any more of his posts.

Much love!

Agree.