The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

[Spiritual Israelite]

It doesn`t say `you shall dwell in the land for a short time.`

It also doesn't say that they would dwell in the land forever. Can you please respond to the other things I said? Acts 2:1-5 describes Jews from all nations gathered in one place in Jerusalem and describes the Holy Spirit being poured out on them. Just as is prophesied in Ezekiel 36:24-28. So, explain how Acts 2:1-5 can possibly not be related to Ezekiel 36:24-28.

 

[Marilyn C]

Why does it matter when the mystery of the body of Christ was revealed? The mystery revealed in Ephesians 3:1-6 is "that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel". That was God's plan from the beginning, but just wasn't revealed until it was revealed to Paul. All believers from all time are fellow heirs of the same promise "in Christ through the gospel". The blood of Christ brought all believers from all time together as one. God has one people. Not two or three or however many you think there are. Nowhere does scripture teach that God has two or more people groups that belong to Him. We are all one. Paul goes out of his way to make that point repeatedly in his letters, so it should not be missed.


You need to keep reading after verse 2. The New Jerusalem is described as "the bride, the Lamb's wife".

Revelation 21:9 9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came [a]to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

God has one people however they are in different areas under Christ`s rule. The city is not a female bride. That is a DESCRIPTION.

So, if all people who turned to God are in the New Jerusalem, who are the `nations of the saved on the earth walking in its light? (Rev. 21: 24)

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.`

 

[Marilyn C]

It also doesn't say that they would dwell in the land forever. Can you please respond to the other things I said? Acts 2:1-5 describes Jews from all nations gathered in one place in Jerusalem and describes the Holy Spirit being poured out on them. Just as is prophesied in Ezekiel 36:24-28. So, explain how Acts 2:1-5 can possibly not be related to Ezekiel 36:24-28.

Different group, different time.

`Thus says the Lord God: "On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will enable you to dwell in cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt...Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate.....

.I will also let the house of Israel inquire of me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. Like a flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they will know that I am the Lord.` (Ez. 36: 33 - 38)

 

[Douggg]

Here is a diagram that may help illustrate what I am explaining. Please see the explanation under the picture below.


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COVENANT ISRAEL – ONE PEOPLE OF GOD BY FAITH

This diagram illustrates the biblical concept that God's true covenant people have always been identified by faith rather than merely by physical descent or outward association.

On the left is Old Testament Israel, representing the nation of Israel under the Old Covenant. Within that larger circle is a smaller circle labeled "True Jewish Believers by Faith." This reflects the biblical truth that not all physical Israelites belonged to the true spiritual remnant of God.




On the right is the New Testament Church, representing the visible body of professing Christians. Within that larger circle is a smaller circle labeled "True Christian Believers by Faith." Scripture teaches that genuine membership in Christ's body is not merely external but consists of those who possess saving faith in Jesus Christ.




The arrows originate from the two smaller circles because God's true covenant people are found among the faithful remnant, not merely among those who belong outwardly to Israel or the visible church.

Both groups converge into the circle labeled "Covenant Israel" beneath the Cross, symbolizing that all who are saved—whether Old Testament saints looking forward to Christ or New Testament believers looking back to Christ—are united through the same Savior and the same covenant promises fulfilled in Him.





The Cross above Covenant Israel emphasizes that Jesus Christ is the foundation, head, and object of worship for all God's redeemed people throughout history. Salvation has always been by grace through faith in Christ, and all true believers are united in Him as one covenant people. This was why that was when Messiah the Prince has confirmed the covenant with His People at the Cross for BOTH the Old Testament Saints and the New Testament Saints, where His Holy Spirit came from from the Cross to the former sea (Old Testament) and hinder sea (New Testament).




So the point is the smaller circles also illustrate the biblical principle that outward membership does not guarantee inclusion among God's elect people. Throughout both the Old Testament and New Testament eras, many have been called into the visible covenant community, yet only a faithful remnant are truly chosen by God through faith.

"For many are called, but few are chosen." (Matthew 22:14)

This truth is seen in national Israel, where only a remnant believed (Romans 9:6-8, 27), and it is also seen within the visible church, where not all who profess Christ truly belong to Him (2 Timothy 2:19). Therefore, the arrows originate from the smaller circles of genuine believers by faith, showing that God's true Covenant Israel consists of His chosen people from every age who trust in Christ.

Together they, people as "stones" are making up what God called the New Jerusalem!

@rwb

The term "covenant Israel" does not appear in the bible.

 

[PinSeeker]

`who is merely`....so a Jew is from God`s nation who has turned to God and to Jesus when they received that revelation and believed.

No, a true Jew of God’s Israel is anyone, regardless of ethnicity, who has been born again of the Spirit. Paul’s use of the word translated to the English ‘merely’ is in reference to Jewish ethnicity and specifically indicates that just because… merely because one is Jewish outwardly does not make him or her a true Jew of God. He is even more explicit in Romans 9:6-8… “it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but ‘Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.’ This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.”

Grace and peace to you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The term "covenant Israel" does not appear in the bible.

LOL.

"The term isn't in the Bible" is not a valid argument by itself. Neither are "Trinity," "rapture," "omnipresence," "sovereignty," or "covenant theology," yet those terms are widely used to summarize biblical truths.

The issue is not whether the label appears in Scripture, but whether the doctrine does. So the question is: Does the Bible teach the concept of covenant Israel? Indeed, it does, genius!

 

[Douggg]

"The term isn't in the Bible" is not a valid argument by itself. Neither are "Trinity," "rapture," "omnipresence," "sovereignty," or "covenant theology," yet those terms are widely used to summarize biblical truths.

"covenant Israel" is not a widely used term.

 

[TribulationSigns]

"covenant Israel" is not a widely used term.

(Chuckle). Whether “covenant Israel” is a widely used label or not is NOT the real issue. Terminology popularity is not a measure of truth.

The real question is whether Scripture teaches the concept being described. Many biblical doctrines are not named in Scripture using modern theological labels—yet the concepts are clearly there (for example, “Trinity,” “rapture,” “omniscience,” etc.).

So the discussion shouldn’t be reduced to whether the phrase is popular or common, but whether the biblical text supports the idea being discussed. And I have provided Scripture.

You could not be able to discredit this because you do not like what you are hearing becasue you are blind to the Truth. Period!

You need to move on and go back to your flawed charts filled with MASSIVE errors.

 

[Douggg]

The real question is whether Scripture teaches the concept being described. Many biblical doctrines are not named in Scripture using modern theological labels—yet the concepts are clearly there (for example, “Trinity,” “rapture,” “omniscience,” etc.).

The terms "Trinity", "rapture" are widely used among Christians.

Differently, you are the only person I have heard use the term "covenant Israel". It seems it is a term you made up and defined.

 

[William Barton]

This was the mystery not previously understood, that Gentiles would be included into the faith. See Acts chapter 2.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God has one people however they are in different areas under Christ`s rule. The city is not a female bride. That is a DESCRIPTION.

I have no idea of what you're talking about here. The bride of Christ is obviously a figurative reference and not meant to be looked at as literally female or anything like that. The great city Babylon is referred to as "she" and "her", also, but that's just figurative text.

So, if all people who turned to God are in the New Jerusalem, who are the `nations of the saved on the earth walking in its light? (Rev. 21: 24)

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.`

That's symbolic text. That's referring to all of the saved people who are part of the New Jerusalem. If you take the text in Revelation too literally, you will just end up confused.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Different group, different time.

`Thus says the Lord God: "On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will enable you to dwell in cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt...Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate.....

.I will also let the house of Israel inquire of me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. Like a flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they will know that I am the Lord.` (Ez. 36: 33 - 38)

It refers to those who would have the Holy Spirit poured out on them and that started happening on the day of Pentecost long ago. But, just believe what you want. I have nothing to add to what I've already said.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I feel like Paul gets no respect from dispensationalists. They just don't accept what he taught. I'm not sure how much more clear he could have been in passages like Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-22 and Galatians 3:26-29 about there being one, and only one, people of God (those who are Abraham's spiritual seed and belong to Christ), yet dispensationalists still insisting on dividing God's people into multiple groups despite Jesus bringing them all together as one with His shed blood.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The terms "Trinity", "rapture" are widely used among Christians.

Differently, you are the only person I have heard use the term "covenant Israel". It seems it is a term you made up and defined.

Excuses, excuses.

It does exists. You are spiritually deaf with Dispensational Israel (or National/Ethnic Israel) doctrine for so long that you really have not heard of covenant Israel theology often.