The deep danger of politicizing Christianity. It simply reveals our deep need for revival.

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Gideon has tried to blame Christians for this, but that is total nonsense.

It's that style of posting where someone makes out the failings of others as a self-affirmation.

When I can point out your wrongs, then I can feel better about myself. Of course there's a time and a place, but I find these sorts of blanket statements "the church is a failure" are more about meeting some inner need.

Much love!

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Once again we were not a "legal" christian nation in the sense of the European Countries which had a state religion.

but given teh enormous writings of many of the founders and the actions and lives- America was a Christian nation.

Once again not legally , where one would be punished for not being Christian, but government was in practice Christian and did not hide said reality.

1. Christian chaplains were paid for for the armed forces and Congress.
2. SCOTUS opened every session with prayer.
3. Govt. paid for the priniting and distribution of Bibles
4. States and towns paid the local churches to teach the children.
5. Most of teh founding charters of the colonies dedicated teh colony to the glory of God.
6. rthe first universities in America were seminaries (Yale, Harvard, Dartmouth)

This is completely untrue. While American political leaders believed in God's existence, none of that really translated to living by the Bible. It took a whole civil war for the government to abolish chattel slavery, and that didn't happen until almost 100 years after the country was founded. And even when it was finally abolished, Protestants in the South fought tooth and nail to keep it alive in various other forms like Jim Crow laws. Just because a lot of education and military institutions possessed some superficial form of Christianity, it doesn't mean the country itself was Christian. It definitely didn't mean those institutions were or even are Christian.

None of that is true.

That’s the fake news attacks on Trump.

Trumps actions have been to be the most pro life, pro Christian, pro Israel, and pro constitution president we’ve ever had.

He’s been the best president of the modern era.

When an honest student of the Bible compares Trump's "Christianity" against biblical Christianity, that person would find 2 completely different ideas of what God is or what He is like. The biblical God says the LGBT lifestyles are evil and that the people who support those lifestyles are equally evil(Rom. 1:32). Trump's "Christianity" however, says he can be pro-LGBT and be considered a good person in God's eyes as long as he pays enough lip service to His existence. Like the Roman emperor Constantine, Trump put on a facade of Christianity because it was politically beneficial for him to do so and not because he actually believed anything the Bible says. It doesn't come as a shock that religious Trump supporters buy the act because they don't know or believe anything the Bible says any more than he does.

 

[Curtis]

This is completely untrue. While American political leaders believed in God's existence, none of that really translated to living by the Bible. It took a whole civil war for the government to abolish chattel slavery, and that didn't happen until almost 100 years after the country was founded. And even when it was finally abolished, Protestants in the South fought tooth and nail to keep it alive in various other forms like Jim Crow laws. Just because a lot of education and military institutions possessed some superficial form of Christianity, it doesn't mean the country itself was Christian. It definitely didn't mean those institutions were or even are Christian.
When an honest student of the Bible compares Trump's "Christianity" against biblical Christianity, that person would find 2 completely different ideas of what God is or what He is like. The biblical God says the LGBT lifestyles are evil and that the people who support those lifestyles are equally evil(Rom. 1:32). Trump's "Christianity" however, says he can be pro-LGBT and be considered a good person in God's eyes as long as he pays enough lip service to His existence. Like the Roman emperor Constantine, Trump put on a facade of Christianity because it was politically beneficial for him to do so and not because he actually believed anything the Bible says. It doesn't come as a shock that religious Trump supporters buy the act because they don't know or believe anything the Bible says any more than he does.

You completely miss the whole point about Trump.

He doesn’t have to be a Christian, and that’s not why conservatives and Christians support him at all.

In 2016, when there were still all 16 Republicans vying for the nomination, God told Lance Walnau that he was listening to the next president of the United States. as he was hearing Trump speak.

God further told him that Trump was another Cyrus and that president 45 is connected with Isaiah 45, which is about Cyrus.

Cyrus was a pagan gentile king that God anointed and used to accomplish His purpose in Israel..

He was not in the covenant, he was not one of them in Israel in any way. I’m sure that there were those there who also had no clue that Cyrus was sent there by God, and as a gentile and pagan,everything about him was out of place to the Israelites.

So Trump being a Christian or not is irrelevant. He definitely believes in God, and his actions speak much louder than his tweets that people whine about.

That he doesn’t act just like a Christian is no more relevant than king Cyrus not acting just like the Israelites did.

The fact he was impossibly elected when most everything he said and did was wrong, which should have kept him from even even being nominated, and that his poll numbers went up every time he said and did the wrong thing, or another fake scandal accusation came out, proves God was indeed behind Trump being elected.

His actions speak louder than his tweets.

He’s been the most pro life, pro Christian, pro Israel, Pro American, pro constitution, pro working man, president we’ve ever had.

And unlike like every other politician, Trump kept all his promises and worked very hard for America and as promised, and he gave us a great economy and record low unemployment, also as promised

To whit:

Before COVID came and the country was shut down on the advice of all the medical experts, which crashed the economy, Trump did the following:


TRUMPs PROMISES that he’s kept


(1) his economic plan of: a corporate tax cut designed to stop businesses from leaving the USA and taking jobs with them; coupled with cutting bureaucratic regulations that made it hard to start, run, or expand a business, resulted in the strongest economy in the world and the lowest unemployment rate in fifty years, with a median income increase of 4,000 dollars in just three years


(2) he rebuilt the military that was weak and depleted


(3) appointed 3 SCOTUS judges who will overturn roe v Wade and support the second amendment, plus 300 federal district judges


(4) set up dozens of “opportunity zones” in cities with poor neighborhoods to bring in businesses and jobs for black folks


(5) ended the war on coal and opened up oil and natural gas production, to where we were the number one worldwide energy producer - and gas prices remained low.


(6) renegotiated NAFTA and replaced it with the USMCA agreement, plus cancelled the TPP trade agreement


(7) got NATO allies to start paying their fair share of defense costs


(8) took on China and their one-sided tariffs by imposing reciprocal tariffs on their goods, with the end goal of no tariffs by either country - and had a new trade agreement with them


(9) gave pastors back their free speech rights in the pulpit, to speak about anything they choose, even politics (executive order)


(10) the wall was being built and almost was finished - now we have a border crises again and they are turning illegals loose all over the country with no COVID testing.


(11) he did away with restrictive rules of engagement that prevented the destruction of ISIS and destroyed their caliphate - watch for ISIS to come back again, now. And the Afghanistan nightmare is deliberately caused by the Biden administration, now Al Qaida will also resurge.


(12) reformed the Veterans Administration so bad employees can be fired, and veterans can get healthcare from private doctors and hospitals, if the VA waiting time for an appointment is excessive.


(13) Kept His promise to move our Israel embassy to Jerusalem


(14) Supported and signed the First Step act, that is letting minorities out of prison who were given excessively long sentences.

(15) stopped the use of our tax dollars to pay for abortions.

Even if Trump wasn’t provably put in office by God, he has earned our support as conservatives and Christians.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is completely untrue. While American political leaders believed in God's existence, none of that really translated to living by the Bible. It took a whole civil war for the government to abolish chattel slavery, and that didn't happen until almost 100 years after the country was founded. And even when it was finally abolished, Protestants in the South fought tooth and nail to keep it alive in various other forms like Jim Crow laws. Just because a lot of education and military institutions possessed some superficial form of Christianity, it doesn't mean the country itself was Christian. It definitely didn't mean those institutions were or even are Christian.

You are looking at teh 18th century way of life with a 21st century mindset. slavery had been accepted for millenia. You may not like this, but nowhere in the bible does it condemn slavery. Peter even told slaves to obey their masters, even the harsh ones. Should slavery have been abolished? Yes. And it was. I take it you are Catholic as you condemned just protestants as slave holders. Nominal people in both wings had slaves. Even blacks ownded slaves and many were slave sellers!

When I say America was a Christian nation I mean its people were generally Christian. The govt. wasn't, but the people were. Not everyone, but the majority. did they still sin? Of course! But did they seek to worship the god of the Bible? Absolutely!

DE Tocqueville in his tour of America said ( I paraphrase) America is great because its people are good! They have a religious fervor unamtched, which makes them a great strong nation.

 

[Curtis]

From the library of congress: proof of our nations Christian heritage:

Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our Nation’s founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as “America’s Spiritual Heritage Week” for the appreciation of and education on America’s history of religious faith.

• Whereas the first act of America’s first Congress in 1774 was to ask a minister to open with prayer and to lead Congress in the reading of 4 chapters of the Bible;

• Whereas Congress regularly attended church and Divine service together en masse;

• Whereas in 1776, Congress approved the Declaration of Independence with its 4 direct religious acknowledgments referring to God as the Creator (“All people are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”), the Lawgiver (“the laws of nature and nature’s God”), the Judge (“appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world”), and the Protector (“with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence”);

• 
  Whereas upon approving the Declaration of Independence, John Adams declared that the Fourth of July “ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty”;

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  Whereas 4 days after approving the Declaration, the Liberty Bell was rung;

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  Whereas the Liberty Bell was named for the Biblical inscription from Leviticus 25:10 emblazoned around it: “Proclaim liberty throughout the land, to all the inhabitants thereof”;

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  Whereas in 1777, Congress, facing a National shortage of “Bibles for our schools, and families, and for the public worship of God in our churches,” announced that they “desired to have a Bible printed under their care & by their encouragement” and therefore ordered 20,000 copies of the Bible to be imported “into the different ports of the States of the Union”;

• 
  Whereas the 1783 Treaty of Paris that officially endied the Revolution and established America as an independent begins with the appellation “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity”;

• 
  Whereas, from 1787 to 1788, State conventions to ratify the United States Constitution not only began with prayer but even met in church buildings;

• 
  Whereas in 1795, during construction of the Capitol, a practice was instituted whereby “public worship is now regularly administered at the Capitol, every Sunday morning, at 11 o’clock”;

• 
  Whereas in 1789, the first Federal Congress, the Congress that framed the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment, appropriated Federal funds to pay chaplains to pray at the opening of all sessions, a practice that has continued to this day, with Congress not only funding its congressional chaplains but also the salaries and operations of more than 4,500 military chaplains;

• 
  Whereas in 1789, on the same day that Congress finished drafting the First Amendment, it requested President Washington to declare a National day of prayer and thanksgiving, resulting in the first Federal official Thanksgiving proclamation that declared “it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor”;

• 
  Whereas in 1800, Congress enacted naval regulations requiring that Divine service be performed twice every day aboard “all ships and vessels in the navy,” with a sermon preached each Sunday;

• 
  Whereas in 1800, Congress approved the use of the just-completed Capitol structure as a church building, with Divine services to be held each Sunday in the Hall of the House, alternately administered by the House and Senate chaplains;

• 
  Whereas in 1853, Congress declared that congressional chaplains have a “duty … to conduct religious services weekly in the Hall of the House of Representatives”;

• 
  Whereas by 1867, the church at the Capitol was the largest church in Washington, DC, with up to 2,000 people a week attending Sunday service in the Hall of the House;

• 
  Whereas in 1853, the United States Senate declared that the Founding Fathers “had no fear or jealousy of religion itself, nor did they wish to see us an irreligious people . . . they did not intend to spread over all the public authorities and the whole public action of the nation the dead and revolting spectacle of atheistical apathy”;

• 
  Whereas in 1864, by law Congress added “In God We Trust” to American coinage;

• 
  Whereas in 1870, the Federal Government made Christmas (a recognition of the birth of Christ, an event described by the U.S. Supreme Court as “acknowledged in the Western World for 20 centuries, and in this country by the people, the Executive Branch, Congress, and the courts for 2 centuries”) and Thanksgiving as official holidays;

• 
  Whereas America’s first Presidential Inauguration incorporated 7 specific religious activities, including—

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  (1) the use of the Bible to administer the oath;
  
  (2) affirming the religious nature of the oath by the adding the prayer “So help me God!” to the oath;
  
  (3) inaugural prayers offered by the President;
  
  (4) religious content in the inaugural address;
  
  (5) civil leaders calling the people to prayer or acknowledgment of God;
  
  (6) inaugural worship services attended en masse by Congress as an official part of congressional activities; and
  
  (7) clergy-led inaugural prayers, activities which have been replicated in whole or part by every subsequent President;

• 
  Whereas President Jefferson not only attended Divine services at the Capitol throughout his presidency and had the Marine Band play at the services, but during his administration church services were also begun in the War Department and the Treasury Department, thus allowing worshippers on any given Sunday the choice to attend church at either the United States Capitol, the War Department, or the Treasury Department if they so desired;

• 
  Whereas Thomas Jefferson urged local governments to make land available specifically for Christian purposes, provided Federal funding for missionary work among Indian tribes, and declared that religious schools would receive “the patronage of the government”;

• 
  Whereas President Andrew Jackson declared that the Bible “is the rock on which our Republic rests”;

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  Whereas President Abraham Lincoln declared that the Bible “is the best gift God has given to men . . . But for it, we could not know right from wrong”

• 
  Whereas all sessions of the United States Supreme Court begin with the Court’s Marshal announcing, “God save the United States and this honorable court”;

• 
  Whereas a regular and integral part of official activities in the Federal courts, including the United States Supreme Court, was the inclusion of prayer by a minister of the Gospel;

• 
  Whereas the United States Supreme Court has declared throughout the course of our Nation’s history that the United States is “a Christian country”, “a Christian nation”, “a Christian people”, “a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being”, and that “we cannot read into the Bill of Rights a philosophy of hostility to religion”;

• 
  Whereas Justice James Wilson, a signer of the Constitution, declared that “Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine … Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants”;

• 
  Whereas Justice William Paterson, a signer of the Constitution, declared that “Religion and morality . . . [are] necessary to good government, good order, and good laws”;

• 
  Whereas some of the most important monuments, buildings, and landmarks in Washington, DC, include religious words, symbols, and imagery;

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  Whereas in the United States Capitol the declaration “In God We Trust” is prominently displayed in both the United States House and Senate Chambers;

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  Whereas images of the Ten Commandments are found in many Federal buildings across Washington, DC, including in bronze in the floor of the National Archives; in a bronze statue of Moses in the Main Reading Room of the Library of Congress; in numerous locations at the U.S. Supreme Court, including in the frieze above the Justices, the oak door at the rear of the Chamber, the gable apex, and in dozens of locations on the bronze latticework surrounding the Supreme Court Bar seating;