The Desire to Sin

[Bob Estey]

Does the desire to sin magically disappear at some point, or is it something we have to work at?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Does the desire to sin magically disappear at some point, or is it something we have to work at?

The desire to sin is the effect that Satan puts on mankind ever since Adam sinned, and the dominion God gave Adam over the earth, Adam inadvertently gave to Satan. That is why according to Romans 3, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It is for THIS reason Jesus came to earth to die for us to take back what Adam lost.

1 John 3:8-9
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Not all Christians have been born of God because of unbelief. Not unbelief in Jesus, but unbelief in what Jesus accomplished and still believe in their heart what false teachers have brainwashed their minds with, namely the "T" in TULIP. Proverbs 23:7 "For as a man thinks in his heart, SO IS HE."

 

[marks]

Does the desire to sin magically disappear at some point, or is it something we have to work at?

I think both, actually. As God works to renew our minds, we are inclined more towards righteousness and less to evil. And as we resist evil, we learn ways we can avoid the sins we used to commit.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Does the desire to sin magically disappear at some point, or is it something we have to work at?

Hey Bob, good questions, so, i'll write you a Thread, and post it , tomorrow.
Here it is now...

To make the wrong desires leave, can't be accomplished by trying to make them leave.

This actually causes it to get worse in your head, the LUST desire becomes stronger and more relentless.
Of yourself you have no power over that issue.

See,... Listen......... if i tell you to ride a blue Plastic elephant......
See it?
Now make that leave your head.
You only think about it more.

That what sin does...when you try not to do it, again., and its the same for the Believer,....... however, you're not sinning, you're committing a work of the flesh, but that's for another Thread, and i have plenty of them already posted on this forum regarding that Topic.

So, its the same... The Blue Elephant or the LUST in your head.
You see it, and then you do it.

...= This is the "curse of the Law"., and "Christ came to deliver us from the CURSE OF THE LAW"..

What is it?

Its 2 Things..

1.) Its "The LAW is the power of sin", and "the power of sin is the Law"..

And.

2.) Its the Law that defines you as a sinner.

That's the curse of the Law. That is the dominion of the Law.. It keeps you there, in bondage to your LUST.

So, when you hear some deceived Heretic telling you that the reason you are born again, or "saved" is so that you can now go and keep the Law... then they are trying to get you back under it, and its a curse.

The Law is made for sinners, not for Saints.
Remember that.
The Law , (613 of them) are not made for the Born again. They are made for sinners to get them to go to the Cross and find God's Grace.

So, listen to a real teacher.....(Paul the Apostle) and Do this instead.

1.) "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, to every one who Believes".


So now, @Bob Estey , i had to lay that theology down (Paul's) so that i can show you and the readers how to stop that stuff in your mind that is pointing your behavior toward a carnal deed.

So, here is the issue.. You have sin consciousness. And that is...you think about some Lust.. = A Lust that is in your head.
Therefore, if its not in your head.....then guess what happens next?

A.) Right. You are FREE from it. The Yoke of bondage is gone, broken, removed.

So, the CURE for sin, isn't confessing it again.. .Its to have no LUST consciousness in your head.

How do you end all that, and condemnation, and guilt?

"its by my Spirit, sayeth The Lord"......same as everything else, within Christianity, as Christianity is 100% Spiritual.

Christianity is God in you, Christ in you, The Holy Spirit in you, doing it through you.
And when you instead.... put yourself there.... striving, trying, resisting, working...PERFORMING....
Here is what happens...

= When you work, God rests.
= When you rest in God's Grace, the God works through you.

You have to get your "SELF" out of God's Righteousness.
A believer keeps putting the "SELF" there and all that happens to you, is that you "fall from Grace".

So....The way you get your head cleared and cleaned, ... = Your Soul realm, (mind, will, emotions), is to learn to have as your Mind, the very same eternal perspective of yourself, that God has of you, all the time.

THIS : "i am the righteousness of God in Christ"

"I am the righteousness of God in Christ".

I am "made Righteous".

I have become "the righteousness of God in Christ".


See that MIND? You have to get that mind, as that is the renewed mind.
That is God's eternal perspective regarding all the Born again..... and once the believer gets this same mind, then they have "worked out their salvation"< and they are finally "walking in the Spirit".

Get your mind right, and that Lust consciousness, will fade, fade, fade, and you will see it go away, and you will KNOW the Power of God that delivers from bondage.

 

[Bob Estey]

I think both, actually. As God works to renew our minds, we are inclined more towards righteousness and less to evil. And as we resist evil, we learn ways we can avoid the sins we used to commit.

Much love!

I noticed you used the expression "resist evil." I've run into some who seem to think it's unnecessary to do that. They seem to think God does all the work.

 

[marks]

I noticed you used the expression "resist evil." I've run into some who seem to think it's unnecessary to do that. They seem to think God does all the work.

There is a way I agree with that.

Philippians 2:12-13 KJV
12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God works into us the ability and the will to do what pleases Him. We are to put that into practice in our lives. We can resist the reformation of our will, holding on to those things that have given us comfort in the past. When we allow ourselves to be led by His inner working, we find we have the ability to overcome.

Even as I write these words I hear Him calling me to let go of some things, please remember me in your prayers!

Much love!

 

[JohnDB]

I noticed you used the expression "resist evil." I've run into some who seem to think it's unnecessary to do that. They seem to think God does all the work.

Paul's famous lines in Romans about the good he wants to do and the sin he doesnt...but thank God for Jesus.

Meaning we generally don't want to sin. But it didn't stop Peter from sinning and he had been warned by Jesus personally and the Holy Spirit again in a dream to stop....but he did it anyway. Paul had to bless him out again for it to stop.

We need to resist....we are not God.

 

[Bob Estey]

There is a way I agree with that.

Philippians 2:12-13 KJV
12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God works into us the ability and the will to do what pleases Him. We are to put that into practice in our lives. We can resist the reformation of our will, holding on to those things that have given us comfort in the past. When we allow ourselves to be led by His inner working, we find we have the ability to overcome.

Even as I write these words I hear Him calling me to let go of some things, please remember me in your prayers!

Much love!

I think it takes some effort on our part.

 

[marks]

I think it takes some effort on our part.

I agree with you, that's the part, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling". When I think about that "fear and trembling", I'm thinking that comes as I realize how I still fall short. This is an imperative, "work out", not the same word though as "God works in you".

Still, the command voice is there, work out your salvation. If with fear and trembling, because I realize I am trying to do, that thing I need to do to be pleasing to God, I cannot without Him do. But what if He has given me the power, and I'm not exerting my effort, my will, what if He's built up my strength but I won't flex my muscle?

I'll stand before Him one day knowing my shortfall. May we not fall short!

Much love!