The Doctrine that Blasphemes the Holy Ghost

[robert derrick]

Blaspheming the Holy Ghost began with falsely accusing and railing against Jesus the man, which also includes His flesh and His bones on earth today.

There are several ways to blaspheme the Holy Ghost, and the doctrine that teaches christians to do so is that which teaches christians to be sinning sons of God.

But not only that, but to also rail against the righteous sons of God, who refuse to agree with them nor do their sinning doctrine: that is where they blaspheme against God and His people.

Not everyone who believes sinning as sons of God, are blaspheming railers against the Holy Ghost and His purified saints. They endure the doctrine of lively righteously, blamelessly, and holily with Jesus in this life, even if they don't agree.

But only the beasts, like Cain, are the railing blasphemers who cannot bear to hear anything other than their own pleasing celebration of their own sinful grace:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

These blasphemers against doing righteousness of God at all times, purpose to either overcome the righteousness of the saints, by deceiving them into doing unrighteous sinning once again, or if given authority on earth to overcome and kill them bodily.

They are the Cain, Hamans, and Sauls of christian religion.

It's not enough for them to offer up spiritual smoke instead of their blood on their own crosses, but they must rail against the reproving saints and overcome them by any means, to rid their consciences of any conviction and guilt from the righteous flesh and bones of Jesus on earth.

It's one thing for unrepentant sinners preaching sinning by grace, but it's another thing entirely to then rail against them preaching righteousness by grace.

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

The self-justifying sinners still hate Jesus coming in the flesh to preach the everlasting righteousness of God and His true law of Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is not railing against the Spirit of God, but the ones born of His Spirit, which began with the Christ in the flesh.

Here are the ways to blaspheme God, His people, and His righteous doctrine by teaching sons to sin against God:

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But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Accusing the work of the Spirit to be that of the devil.

When saints testify of being healed and sanctified from all sinning by the Spirit of Christ, they are accused of being self-righteous and proud boasters of the devil.

2.
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Accusing Jesus the man of having been a liar and unrighteous as any sinner on earth, and making Himself God unlike others.

When saints preach no man can be sinning and born of God, they are are accused of making themselves more of God, than sinners.

3.
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

They rejected the righteous witness of Jesus the man.

They reject the righteous witness of Jesus' own flesh and bones.

4.
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Sinners saying they are born of God while sinning, are them despising the Spirit of grace as cover for sinning.

5.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

These evil beasts, that Paul fought at Ephesus, blaspheme and rail against God, His church pitched on earth, and His saints now in heaven, who were found doing God's righteous at the end of their time on earth.

The beast makes war with the saints, by railing against them as self-righteous devils, that are commanded to repent of doing righteousness at all times and the preaching thereof.

What the sinning railers, who believe in their own justification while sinning, did to the righteous and pure in heart Jesus, they are also doing today against the His own flesh and bones.

When they rail against the righteous and pure saints as being self-righteous boasters, and even worse sinners and blasphemers than themselves, they do so against the body and the Head, as well as the purifying and wholly sanctifying Spirit within.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[robert derrick]

No man can be saved while blaspheming and railing against the righteousness of the Spirit of grace, as well as them He saves and sanctifies to the uttermost, who teach turning from sinning, so as to walk in the righteous and holy steps of Jesus, while firmly holding to His Headship hand in hand on earth.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

No man refusing and hating the righteous witness of them they can see, can possibly be saved by the righteous One they cannot see.

Saints and sinners do not have the same Spirit and Christ within them.

Either the righteous saints are of the devil, or the unrighteous sinners.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

They cannot both be saved by the same Christ and God:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Whether as a sinner or a saint, I stand for the doctrine of doing righteousness by grace through faith in Jesus, not that the doctrine of Jezebel teaching believers to go on sinning by the grace of one's own faith.

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

 

[ScottA]

Begrudging doctrine against doctrine. How's that working for you?

 

[robert derrick]

Begrudging doctrine against doctrine. How's that working for you?

So long as your people were only justifying sinning for themselves, it was a fair doctrinal dispute.

You can believe your sinning is your body only, and your soul is justified forever apart from your body all you want. Filthy dreaming of the deluded is nothing to me. But when you rail against the righteous, you make open warfare against the saints: the doctrine of Christ is not defensive only.

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The grace-filled sinning beasts of Ephesus are blaspheming railers against the righteous Head, the righteous body on earth, and the righteous elect in heaven.

They hate the righteous and their righteous preaching, and so call it self-righteous boasting of the devil.

You want to shut down all preaching of righteousness, because you don't want to enter into the righteous kingdom of Christ, and neither do you want others to do so.

When it's all put in plain speech for what it really is, it all becomes quite simple.

No one sinning in spirit or in flesh is a born son of God: Jesus the man was not sinning, nor does His flesh and bones on earth today.

 

[ScottA]

So long as your people were only justifying sinning for themselves, it was a fair doctrinal dispute.

You can believe your sinning is your body only, and your soul is justified forever apart from your body all you want. Filthy dreaming of the deluded is nothing to me. But when you rail against the righteous, you make open warfare against the saints: the doctrine of Christ is not defensive only.

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The grace-filled sinning beasts of Ephesus are blaspheming railers against the righteous Head, the righteous body on earth, and the righteous elect in heaven.

They hate the righteous and their righteous preaching, and so call it self-righteous boasting of the devil.

You want to shut down all preaching of righteousness, because you don't want to enter into the righteous kingdom of Christ, and neither do you want others to do so.

When it's all put in plain speech for what it really is, it all becomes quite simple.

No one sinning in spirit or in flesh is a born son of God: Jesus the man was not sinning, nor does His flesh and bones on earth today.

I understand that you believe you are fighting the good fight. That was also the mistake of the Priests and the Pharisees. And what was their accusation against the Most Holy?

I don't need to tell you. Your words are almost identical. History repeats itself.

But what did they miss? They missed that He who was righteous, He who was the Law, He who inspired the words they lived by, had come.

And what have I been telling you?

Last warning.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Blaspheming the Holy Ghost began with falsely accusing and railing against Jesus the man, which also includes His flesh and His bones on earth today.

There are several ways to blaspheme the Holy Ghost, and the doctrine that teaches christians to do so is that which teaches christians to be sinning sons of God.

But not only that, but to also rail against the righteous sons of God, who refuse to agree with them nor do their sinning doctrine: that is where they blaspheme against God and His people.

Not everyone who believes sinning as sons of God, are blaspheming railers against the Holy Ghost and His purified saints. They endure the doctrine of lively righteously, blamelessly, and holily with Jesus in this life, even if they don't agree.

But only the beasts, like Cain, are the railing blasphemers who cannot bear to hear anything other than their own pleasing celebration of their own sinful grace:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

These blasphemers against doing righteousness of God at all times, purpose to either overcome the righteousness of the saints, by deceiving them into doing unrighteous sinning once again, or if given authority on earth to overcome and kill them bodily.

They are the Cain, Hamans, and Sauls of christian religion.

It's not enough for them to offer up spiritual smoke instead of their blood on their own crosses, but they must rail against the reproving saints and overcome them by any means, to rid their consciences of any conviction and guilt from the righteous flesh and bones of Jesus on earth.

It's one thing for unrepentant sinners preaching sinning by grace, but it's another thing entirely to then rail against them preaching righteousness by grace.

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

The self-justifying sinners still hate Jesus coming in the flesh to preach the everlasting righteousness of God and His true law of Christ.

I believe blaspheming the holy ghost is an extremely hard judgment to get Rob, I define it this way, you have to know God well, and deliberately work against His purposes, do you agree with that definition? If so that leaves out most everyone in the world. Judas would be a prime example. The Bible also states that if anyone who is "born again" in other words called to be a holy one falls away from the faith, they receive that judgment according to Heb 6:4-6

 

[ScottA]

I believe blaspheming the holy ghost is an extremely hard judgment to get Rob, I define it this way, you have to know God well, and deliberately work against His purposes, do you agree with that definition?

This is like John the Baptist's comment, saying, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Meaning, the water and even the son of man...that is, in the flesh--one can blaspheme against. But when Jesus would be glorified, having overcome all, He would become One with the Father and the Spirit...after which there would be no more forgiveness for rejections.

And these are the times we live in.

 

[Robert Gwin]

This is like John the Baptist's comment, saying, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Meaning, the water and even the son of man...that is, in the flesh--one can blaspheme against. But when Jesus would be glorified, having overcome all, He would become One with the Father and the Spirit...after which there would be no more forgiveness for rejections.

And these are the times we live in.

If that is the case it definitely explains Jesus words of Mat 7:13,14. I think there will be a lot more than what you realize though Scott. Remember after satans release he is going to take a vast number, but the majority will side with God at that time I believe. Rev 20:8

 

[ScottA]

If that is the case it definitely explains Jesus words of Mat 7:13,14. I think there will be a lot more than what you realize though Scott. Remember after satans release he is going to take a vast number, but the majority will side with God at that time I believe. Rev 20:8

Remember that it has begun with Christ the firstfruits..."the things that must shortly come to pass."

 

[Robert Gwin]

Remember that it has begun with Christ the firstfruits..."the things that must shortly come to pass."

Jesus was the first resurrection Scott, but Rev 20:6 is not referring to that resurrection, it is referring to the resurrection of the holy ones, his brothers. Revelation 20:5, 6 refers to the resurrection of those who will reign with Christ as “the first resurrection.” The apostle Paul speaks of this first resurrection also as “the earlier resurrection from the dead [literally, the out-resurrection the out of dead (ones)].” (Php 3:11, NW, Ro, Int) On the expression Paul uses here, Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament (1931, Vol. IV, p. 454) says: “Apparently Paul is thinking here only of the resurrection of believers out from the dead and so double ex [out] (ten exanastasin ten ek nekron). Paul is not denying a general resurrection by this language, but emphasizing that of believers.” Charles Ellicott’s Commentaries (1865, Vol. II, p. 87) remarks on Philippians 3:11: “‘The resurrection from the dead;’ i.e., as the context suggests, the first resurrection (Rev. xx. 5), when, at the Lord’s coming the dead in Him shall rise first (1 Thessalon. iv. 16), and the quick be caught up to meet Him in the clouds (1 Thess. iv. 17); compare Luke xx. 35. The first resurrection will include only true believers, and will apparently precede the second, that of non-believers and disbelievers, in point of time . . . Any reference here to a merely ethical resurrection (Cocceius) is wholly out of the question.” One of the basic meanings of the word e·xa·naʹsta·sis is getting up from bed in the morning; thus it can well represent a resurrection occurring early, otherwise called “the first resurrection.” Rotherham’s translation of Philippians 3:11 reads: “If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection which is from among the dead.”

Following the resurrection of Christ, the 144,000 are the next to be raised. They have part in “the first resurrection,” or “the earlier resurrection.” (Philippians 3:11) When does this take place? “During his presence,” the Bible says. We believe that Christ’s presence began in the year 1914. So the “day” for “the first resurrection” of faithful Christians to heaven has already come. No doubt the apostles and other early Christians have already been raised to heavenly life.—2 Timothy 4:8.

Our thoughts are that the rest of the dead, Rev 20:5 will be resurrected during the Millennial reign of Christ. Of course we cannot prove it, but it is logical and it is either correct or not, time will tell sir.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus was the first resurrection Scott, but Rev 20:6 is not referring to that resurrection, it is referring to the resurrection of the holy ones, his brothers. Revelation 20:5, 6 refers to the resurrection of those who will reign with Christ as “the first resurrection.” The apostle Paul speaks of this first resurrection also as “the earlier resurrection from the dead [literally, the out-resurrection the out of dead (ones)].” (Php 3:11, NW, Ro, Int) On the expression Paul uses here, Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament (1931, Vol. IV, p. 454) says: “Apparently Paul is thinking here only of the resurrection of believers out from the dead and so double ex [out] (ten exanastasin ten ek nekron). Paul is not denying a general resurrection by this language, but emphasizing that of believers.” Charles Ellicott’s Commentaries (1865, Vol. II, p. 87) remarks on Philippians 3:11: “‘The resurrection from the dead;’ i.e., as the context suggests, the first resurrection (Rev. xx. 5), when, at the Lord’s coming the dead in Him shall rise first (1 Thessalon. iv. 16), and the quick be caught up to meet Him in the clouds (1 Thess. iv. 17); compare Luke xx. 35. The first resurrection will include only true believers, and will apparently precede the second, that of non-believers and disbelievers, in point of time . . . Any reference here to a merely ethical resurrection (Cocceius) is wholly out of the question.” One of the basic meanings of the word e·xa·naʹsta·sis is getting up from bed in the morning; thus it can well represent a resurrection occurring early, otherwise called “the first resurrection.” Rotherham’s translation of Philippians 3:11 reads: “If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection which is from among the dead.”

Following the resurrection of Christ, the 144,000 are the next to be raised. They have part in “the first resurrection,” or “the earlier resurrection.” (Philippians 3:11) When does this take place? “During his presence,” the Bible says. We believe that Christ’s presence began in the year 1914. So the “day” for “the first resurrection” of faithful Christians to heaven has already come. No doubt the apostles and other early Christians have already been raised to heavenly life.—2 Timothy 4:8.

Our thoughts are that the rest of the dead, Rev 20:5 will be resurrected during the Millennial reign of Christ. Of course we cannot prove it, but it is logical and it is either correct or not, time will tell sir.

In your own way, as it is with many, you have elaborated with errors the words of one resurrection and one ascension, aka two resurrections (just as it was with Jesus, whom we follow): That is, that resurrection of "the last who are first", followed by "the first who are last"--which "we by no means proceed." Which is to say, you have made Two events into multiple events, even occurring at multiple times--those two events that did occurred once in Christ, first in his resurrection from the dead, then in his ascension unto the Father. Which, even I too have now said in different ways--not to multiply the number, but only to explain.

Just as God has unfolded the events in word for revelation, they must also be refolded to Christ. You have the words, I have explained them.

 

[robert derrick]

I understand that you believe you are fighting the good fight.

I am fighting against them that consistently accuse any preacher of righteousness without sinning, as self-righteous boasters.

That's the good counter attack fighting. It has nothing to do with 'believing' it is, because it is by definition.

There fathers fought against the man Jesus who first preached righteousness and not sinning against God.

Do you believe that everyone who preaches doing righteousness at all times, and not be sinning for the devil, is self-righteous boasting? Where do you stand?

But what did they miss? They missed that He who was righteous, He who was the Law, He who inspired the words they lived by, had come.

They didn't miss anything. Nicodemus said they knew He was from God.

They just didn't want Him coming int he flesh and showing and telling them how to live righteously and do the law with a pure heart.

Same as unrighteous christian sinners today, when His righteous flesh and bones do the same.


P.s. Jesus isn't His law. He's the Lawgiver.

However, them that blaspheme His law as dead, also blasphemes Him as dead, and His flesh and bones on earth as dead by doing His righteous law.

 

[robert derrick]

I believe blaspheming the holy ghost is an extremely hard judgment to get Rob, I define it this way, you have to know God well, and deliberately work against His purposes, do you agree with that definition? If so that leaves out most everyone in the world. Judas would be a prime example. The Bible also states that if anyone who is "born again" in other words called to be a holy one falls away from the faith, they receive that judgment according to Heb 6:4-6

If you're not going to correct anything, then it stands.

They were accusing Jesus' good work as unrighteous, and He said they were blaspheming the Holy Ghost who did the good work with Him.

And so it is to accusing Jesus' righteous flesh and bones as self-righteous.

The result is the same: there is no forgiveness available to them who condemn righteousness without sinning as self-righteous boasting.

They must first repent of the delusional lie, before they can ever even think of repenting from sinning.

As you said, deliberately working against His purposes of purifying and sanctifying to Himself a righteous and holy church today, to resurrect in the last day.

 

[robert derrick]

This is like John the Baptist's comment, saying, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Meaning, the water and even the son of man...that is, in the flesh--one can blaspheme against. But when Jesus would be glorified, having overcome all, He would become One with the Father and the Spirit...after which there would be no more forgiveness for rejections.

And these are the times we live in.

He was one with the Father from eternity to eternity, including as a man on earth.

Them He saves to be of His righteous flesh and of His bones are now one with the Son and the Father.

Those sinning with the flesh are not of His flesh nor of His bones, nor one with Him and the Father.

They are the ones rejecting Him today, yesterday, and if there is a tomorrow.

Simple.

 

[robert derrick]

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Sinners can speak against Jesus the man and His body today in personal insults, which is nothing, because the saints are not offended by childish folly, neither do they seek wrath of man.

But to accuse Jesus and His saints of being self-righteous boasters, because of being wholly sanctified by the spirit of grace, not to be sinning, that is when the Spirit is being blasphemed as of the devil.

They that accuse all the righteous that sin not as self-righteous, are accusing the Spirit of Christ making self-righteous saints.

 

[robert derrick]

But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

If I by the finger of God cast out all lust and unrighteous thought for sin, then indeed the kingdom of God is come in the flesh.

Them that say that is of the devil, blaspheme the Spirit and finger of God.

And if the sons of OSAS do not cast out lust and thought for sin, the kingdom of God is not come in the flesh.

And if they do cast out the righteous from their assemblies, then by who do they cast them out?

Unrighteous christians sinners attacking the righteous flesh and bones of Christ judge themselves as neither having the kingdom of Christ within them, but rather blaspheme, rail, and war for the beast against the saints.

 

[robert derrick]

Last warning.

Warn against what? Doing righteousness at all times and not sinning, nor lusting to do so from the heart?

It's time to declare yourself:

Are you an unrighteous christian sinner, or a righteous Christian saint?

 

[ScottA]

I am fighting against them that consistently accuse any preacher of righteousness without sinning, as self-righteous boasters.

That's the good counter attack fighting. It has nothing to do with 'believing' it is, because it is by definition.

There fathers fought against the man Jesus who first preached righteousness and not sinning against God.

Do you believe that everyone who preaches doing righteousness at all times, and not be sinning for the devil, is self-righteous boasting? Where do you stand?



They didn't miss anything. Nicodemus said they knew He was from God.

They just didn't want Him coming int he flesh and showing and telling them how to live righteously and do the law with a pure heart.

Same as unrighteous christian sinners today, when His righteous flesh and bones do the same.


P.s. Jesus isn't His law. He's the Lawgiver.

However, them that blaspheme His law as dead, also blasphemes Him as dead, and His flesh and bones on earth as dead by doing His righteous law.

It is the dead who reject Him, but the living only live in Him.

 

[ScottA]

He was one with the Father from eternity to eternity, including as a man on earth.

Them He saves to be of His righteous flesh and of His bones are now one with the Son and the Father.

Those sinning with the flesh are not of His flesh nor of His bones, nor one with Him and the Father.

They are the ones rejecting Him today, yesterday, and if there is a tomorrow.

Simple.

You are assuming that Jesus gave over His body to the righteous. He did not. But in Him they are counted as righteous, even while they share the burden of sins with Him, for it is no longer they who live, but Christ who lives in them.

Again, you error because you do not believe Christ is that End which He claimed to be and warned of. Therefore, you do not even know that you accuse Christ in these little ones who are His body remaining in the world until the Last (whom He also is).

He has come when you did not expect--just as He said.