The Easter Bunny

[FHII]

No, but we let them hunt easter eggs. They knew about Santa but we didn't demonize him. They knew that Christmas was about Jesus Christ.

You are always going to have people in the world who are not believers. They put their own take on the holiday. That doesn't mean that it removes my reason for celebrating Christmas or Easter.

You say you don't know when Christ was born. Whats wrong with having this day, Christmas, as the day to celebrate Christs birth?

You don't have power to change Christmas and Easter either. So are you going to now try and change the days of the week? My point is that even though you must acknowledge those days of the week, doesn't mean you are worshipping a false god.

Stranger

If the day (Christmas) is a Christianized pagan holiday (which it is) and not his birthday (which it isn't) then it is NOT worshipping him in truth. That's what is wrong with it. Please see John 4:24.

What did they know about Santa? Hmmmm?

I don't have the power to stop people from celebrating Christmas and Easter. Neither would I want to if that is their choice. But I do have the power not to let that virus infect me.

 

[bbyrd009]

A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.

 

[Stranger]

If the day (Christmas) is a Christianized pagan holiday (which it is) and not his birthday (which it isn't) then it is NOT worshipping him in truth. That's what is wrong with it. Please see John 4:24.

What did they know about Santa? Hmmmm?

I don't have the power to stop people from celebrating Christmas and Easter. Neither would I want to if that is their choice. But I do have the power not to let that virus infect me.

Then tell me when Christ's birthday was. So that you can worship Him correctly and I also.

My kids knew of Santa Clause. They knew it was a cultural thing. They knew the meaning of Christmas was Jesus Christ.

How is me and mine, recognizing a day to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, a virus?

Stranger

 

[epostle1]

Then tell me when Christ's birthday was. So that you can worship Him correctly and I also.

Glad you asked. Nobody knows the exact day of Christs' birth, but I think the Bible gives clues to a reasonable time frame.

[SIZE=10pt]Zechariah was acting as high priest when the birth of St. John the baptizer was announced to him in the Holy of Holies in the Temple. That would have been on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement which falls in late September. St. John was conceived shortly thereafter during Sukkot, the Festival of Booths. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]At the Annunciation, the Blessed Virgin Mom was told that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant. That would have been in late March. (BTW the feast of the Annunciation is celebrated on March 25th in the Roman Calendar.)[/SIZE]

Nine months later Jesus was born sometime in late December.

Now there is an interesting coincidence with all this. St. John would have been born near the Summer Solstice (the longest day of the year) everyday after that would get shorter until the Winter Solstice six months later, which is the shortest day of the year. Every day after that would get longer. In the First Century the Winter Solstice fell on December 25th.

It would be fitting that Jesus would have been born on the shortest day of the year because he is the "Light of the World":

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)

Everyday after his birth there was more light.

Also St. John the Baptizer said of himself:

He must increase, but I must decrease.” (John 3:30)

Which is exactly what happened to the daylight after their respective births. (This was the point St. Augustine made in his championing the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Winter Solstice).

So despite the objections of some pundits, December 25th is a very reasonable date to celebrate Jesus' birth and not a concession to paganism.

[SIZE=10pt]Sol Invictus was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until 273 AD. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration![/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that Christmas was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.[/SIZE]

BTW, Easter proceeds the Jewish lunar calendar 3 days after Passover, which explains why it is not a fixed date. That fact should dismiss the idiocy of celebrating the Ressurrection: Easter, of having pagan roots.



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[heretoeternity]

Typical of Rome to try and add pagan days to the Bible, despite the Bible says "do not add or subtract from the words of the Bible" Deut 4 and Revelation 22. But as Rome does not follow the Bible in a many respecfs, but relies on a carnal human being who claims to be "infallible" for their spiritual teachings it is no surprise they invent pagan days that are non Biblical Dec 25th and easter are 2 examples. Daniel 7.25, 2nd Thess 2, 3&4 Rev 13, 17. 18

 

[Mungo]

Glad you asked. Nobody knows the exact day of Christs' birth, but I think the Bible gives clues to a reasonable time frame.

[SIZE=10pt]Zechariah was acting as high priest when the birth of St. John the baptizer was announced to him in the Holy of Holies in the Temple. That would have been on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement which falls in late September. St. John was conceived shortly thereafter during Sukkot, the Festival of Booths. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]At the Annunciation, the Blessed Virgin Mom was told that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant. That would have been in late March. (BTW the feast of the Annunciation is celebrated on March 25th in the Roman Calendar.)[/SIZE]

Nine months later Jesus was born sometime in late December.

Now there is an interesting coincidence with all this. St. John would have been born near the Summer Solstice (the longest day of the year) everyday after that would get shorter until the Winter Solstice six months later, which is the shortest day of the year. Every day after that would get longer. In the First Century the Winter Solstice fell on December 25th.

It would be fitting that Jesus would have been born on the shortest day of the year because he is the "Light of the World":

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)

Everyday after his birth there was more light.

Also St. John the Baptizer said of himself:

He must increase, but I must decrease.” (John 3:30)

Which is exactly what happened to the daylight after their respective births. (This was the point St. Augustine made in his championing the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Winter Solstice).

So despite the objections of some pundits, December 25th is a very reasonable date to celebrate Jesus' birth and not a concession to paganism.

[SIZE=10pt]Sol Invictus was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until 273 AD. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration![/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that Christmas was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.[/SIZE]

BTW, Easter proceeds the Jewish lunar calendar 3 days after Passover, which explains why it is not a fixed date. That fact should dismiss the idiocy of celebrating the Ressurrection: Easter, of having pagan roots.



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There are several theories that point towards 25th December.

From an article by David Bennett
According to Dr. Kelly's research, summarized in his books The Origins of Christmas, and The World of the Early Christians, the main reason early Christians chose December 25th for the date of Christmas relates to two significant and symbolic dates: the date of the creation of the world, and the vernal equinox. According to some Christians, both events happened on March 25th. Early Christian writer Sextus Julius Africanus (220 AD) speculated that the world was created on March 25th, based on his chronology of Jewish and Christian history, presumably contained in his Chronographia. So he suggested that Christ became incarnate on that date; this makes perfect symbolic sense, since at the Incarnation, the new creation began. According to Julius, since the Word of God became incarnate from the moment of his conception, this meant that, after 9 months in the Virgin Mary's womb, Jesus was born on December 25.

Note that Sextus Julius Africanus wrote in 220 AD - 53 years before the Emperor Aurelian chose 25 December for his "Sol Invictus" celebration.

He continues in his article:
There are other good, Jewish, Christian, and biblical reasons why Christians chose the date of December 25th. One is based on the estimated date of the death of Jesus, which some early Christians speculated happened on Friday, March 25th. Incidentally, this is historically impossible, since March 25th would not have been a Friday the year Jesus likely died. Nonetheless, based on the Jewish idea of the "integral age," that great prophets were conceived on the same date as their death, these early Christian writers thought that Jesus, who died on March 25th, was also conceived that date. Again, if we assume nine months in the womb, this means he was born on December 25th.

It's a good article on the subject: Link

 

[Born_Again]

Typical of Rome to try and add pagan days to the Bible, despite the Bible says "do not add or subtract from the words of the Bible" Deut 4 and Revelation 22. But as Rome does not follow the Bible in a many respecfs, but relies on a carnal human being who claims to be "infallible" for their spiritual teachings it is no surprise they invent pagan days that are non Biblical Dec 25th and easter are 2 examples. Daniel 7.25, 2nd Thess 2, 3&4 Rev 13, 17. 18

You know, a lot of us dont agree with the RCC, but do you ever tire of constantly bashing them? I know I'm tired of it. You have a lot of hate in your heart. Whether or not you agree with their theology does not define their character or what type of person they are. Example, say you knew Mungo personally and you two were great friends. And through all your friendship you never once discussed theology or beliefs so you had no idea he was even catholic. Then one day you find out. Does he suddenly become a bad person? Does that suddenly change who he is? And if you wanted to change his mind on his theology, do you think you are going about it the best way, with insults?

See my point? Can you give it a rest?

BA

 

[FHII]

Glad you asked. Nobody knows the exact day of Christs' birth, but I think the Bible gives clues to a reasonable time frame.

[SIZE=10pt]Zechariah was acting as high priest when the birth of St. John the baptizer was announced to him in the Holy of Holies in the Temple. That would have been on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement which falls in late September. St. John was conceived shortly thereafter during Sukkot, the Festival of Booths. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]At the Annunciation, the Blessed Virgin Mom was told that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant. That would have been in late March. (BTW the feast of the Annunciation is celebrated on March 25th in the Roman Calendar.)

Nine months later Jesus was born sometime in late December.[/SIZE]

What your trying to get into is way more involved than what you have said. You are going on the priestly courses which are described in Luke 1. There were a total of 24 courses (Priestly rotations) for the year. Each course served twice a year (48 months) and there were 3 weekly festivals where they all shared duties. That's 51 weeks, which is the length of the Jewish Calandar. The other week didn't exist except on the Jewish equivalent of a leap year. Of course, you will also have to figure out when Jesus was born (it's not actually that hard as it is one of only 1-3 possible years) and then figure out if the previous year was a leap year.

From this you are going to have either 4 or 5 starting points for when Zachariah was in the temple. In theory, you can figure out when Jesus was born, but only in theory. I will save you the trouble. IN THEORY the closest date you can come up with is January 12th (of course, you have to get calandar converters out because they were using a different calandar). You also come up with a date in March, September and I believe October. Again, only in theory. Why? All this is going on an extremely rushed and perfect timeline. For example, Zacharias would have had to inpregnate his wife that very Saturday night after returning. It would have had to have been a perfect 9 month pregnancy or less. Furthermore, it would have been a rush job on Mary's part too.

In short, there is no chance going by this research that Jesus was born on December 25th and a very small chance he was even born before February 1st.

 

[FHII]

Then tell me when Christ's birthday was. So that you can worship Him correctly and I also.

My kids knew of Santa Clause. They knew it was a cultural thing. They knew the meaning of Christmas was Jesus Christ.

How is me and mine, recognizing a day to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, a virus?

Stranger

There is no way of knowing, and mercifully, we aren't instructed to observe his Birthday. Personally I believe it was in the spring given the several markers (shepherds in the field, tax season, etc). But I don't make a holiday or day of observance out of it.

 

[farouk]

I guess the main point is that the Incarnation (John 1.14) did gloriously happen at a point in time.

 

[Mungo]

I guess the main point is that the Incarnation (John 1.14) did gloriously happen at a point in time.

Indeed yes, and the Angels celebrated the birth (Lk 2:8-14).

 

[Stranger]

There is no way of knowing, and mercifully, we aren't instructed to observe his Birthday. Personally I believe it was in the spring given the several markers (shepherds in the field, tax season, etc). But I don't make a holiday or day of observance out of it.

Indeed. In reply #123 you said Dec. 25th 'wasn't' His birthday. But it may well have been. So, you don't know that it wasn't.

Yes, we are not instructed to observe Christ's birthday. But the wisemen and shepherds did. And why wouldn't we?

Arey you telling me you don't get off work for Christmas? Are they forcing you to take off at your objection to observing that holiday?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

kepha31

Concerning your post #124... sounds good.

Stranger

 

[farouk]

Indeed yes, and the Angels celebrated the birth (Lk 2:8-14).

Yes, indeed. I do love this time of the year.

 

[FHII]

Indeed. In reply #123 you said Dec. 25th 'wasn't' His birthday. But it may well have been. So, you don't know that it wasn't.

Yes, we are not instructed to observe Christ's birthday. But the wisemen and shepherds did. And why wouldn't we?

Arey you telling me you don't get off work for Christmas? Are they forcing you to take off at your objection to observing that holiday?

Stranger

Actually we do know it wasn't his birthday. It was tax time and shepherds were in the field. Teo things that won't happen in December.

The shepherds did come see him on his birthday. The wisemen didn't. They came to give homage to the king.

I would have no problem celebrating his biethday if we knew what it was. And again, i also am against it being associated with a pagan holiday. And yes... It is despite all the theoretical evidence being suggested.


My work schedule has nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[Stranger]

Actually we do know it wasn't his birthday. It was tax time and shepherds were in the field. Teo things that won't happen in December.

The shepherds did come see him on his birthday. The wisemen didn't. They came to give homage to the king.

I would have no problem celebrating his biethday if we knew what it was. And again, i also am against it being associated with a pagan holiday. And yes... It is despite all the theoretical evidence being suggested.


My work schedule has nothing to do with the conversation.

So you don't know when Christ's birthday was, but you know it wasn't Dec. 25th.

Why wouldn't it happen in December? Why wouldn't Shepherds be in the fields.

The shepherds and wisemen came to acknowledge the birth of the King. They gave gifts. How is this not celebrating the birth of Christ?

Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the birth of Christ? Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

In other words, you are off on Christmas also. And do you make sure your family doesn't make the mistake of acknowledging Christs birth or resurrection on these days. Do you instruct them in that manner?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

So you don't know when Christ's birthday was, but you know it wasn't Dec. 25th.

Why wouldn't it happen in December? Why wouldn't Shepherds be in the fields.

The shepherds and wisemen came to acknowledge the birth of the King. They gave gifts. How is this not celebrating the birth of Christ?

Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the birth of Christ? Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

In other words, you are off on Christmas also. And do you make sure your family doesn't make the mistake of acknowledging Christs birth or resurrection on these days. Do you instruct them in that manner?

Stranger

Its too cold. Thats why. Its also too cold for a woman to travel outside, give birth and for the child to live.

The sheperds didn't give gifts.

The wisemen did give gifts. When Jesus was about 2 years old and living in a house.

Christians don't celebrate lies about Jesus. Celebrate whatever you want. But those that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

That's not my opinion.

 

[FHII]

So you don't know when Christ's birthday was, but you know it wasn't Dec. 25th.

Why wouldn't it happen in December? Why wouldn't Shepherds be in the fields.

The shepherds and wisemen came to acknowledge the birth of the King. They gave gifts. How is this not celebrating the birth of Christ?

Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the birth of Christ? Do you have a problem with Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

In other words, you are off on Christmas also. And do you make sure your family doesn't make the mistake of acknowledging Christs birth or resurrection on these days. Do you instruct them in that manner?

Stranger

Its too cold. Thats why. Its also too cold for a woman to travel outside, give birth and for the child to live.

The sheperds didn't give gifts.

The wisemen did give gifts. When Jesus was about 2 years old and living in a house.

Christians don't celebrate lies about Jesus. Celebrate whatever you want. But those that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

That's not my opinion.

 

[heretoeternity]

Its too cold. Thats why. Its also too cold for a woman to travel outside, give birth and for the child to live.

The sheperds didn't give gifts.

The wisemen did give gifts. When Jesus was about 2 years old and living in a house.

Christians don't celebrate lies about Jesus. Celebrate whatever you want. But those that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

That's not my opinion.

FH you are right on....If God wanted us to follow Jesus birth, He would have told us the exact time, and would have commanded it in the Bible...
Dec 25th is not a Biblical day, but a day of worship to the sungods of Babylon 600 years before Christs birth..the pagan based Roman religious organization who were originally following the different gods, decided to try and "christianize" it to try and entice the real Christians into their satanic, pagan based religion...it worked, but it is not Biblical...real Christians, true followers of Jesus prior to that time, followed the Bible and did not celebrate Dec 25th, easter, or the first day of the week reverence...they kept God's commandments..as Jesus said "follow the commandments of God, and not the traditions of man' Mark 7 and Matthew 15.
There are many Biblical sites on the internet which explain this, and one in particular is "The antichrist hidden in plain site"

 

[epostle1]

What your trying to get into is way more involved than what you have said. You are going on the priestly courses which are described in Luke 1. There were a total of 24 courses (Priestly rotations) for the year. Each course served twice a year (48 months) and there were 3 weekly festivals where they all shared duties. That's 51 weeks, which is the length of the Jewish Calandar. The other week didn't exist except on the Jewish equivalent of a leap year. Of course, you will also have to figure out when Jesus was born (it's not actually that hard as it is one of only 1-3 possible years) and then figure out if the previous year was a leap year.

From this you are going to have either 4 or 5 starting points for when Zachariah was in the temple. In theory, you can figure out when Jesus was born, but only in theory. I will save you the trouble. IN THEORY the closest date you can come up with is January 12th (of course, you have to get calandar converters out because they were using a different calandar). You also come up with a date in March, September and I believe October. Again, only in theory. Why? All this is going on an extremely rushed and perfect timeline. For example, Zacharias would have had to inpregnate his wife that very Saturday night after returning. It would have had to have been a perfect 9 month pregnancy or less. Furthermore, it would have been a rush job on Mary's part too.

In short, there is no chance going by this research that Jesus was born on December 25th and a very small chance he was even born before February 1st.

but I think the Bible gives clues to a reasonable time frame.
I said REASONABLE, I didn't say exact, in anticipation of legalists coming along with their microscope and tweezers. Passover is not the first month of the Jewish calendar, Rosh Hashana is. I've seen TV preachers fall into this trap when trying to figure out when Zacharias was in the Temple, calculating from Passover as the first Jewish month, when it's not. That dramatically changes the time Zech. was in the Temple which falls CLOSE to John's conception..You haven't given the date John the Baptist was conceived, why don't you figure that one out?. The Jewish liturgical calendar is lunar based. Your speculation is worse than my theory. I don't care of the exact date of Christs birth. Have your Christmas on Jan. 12.