THE ELECT

[Doug]

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

From the verses above it can be seen that Jesus Christ is the elect.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Israel also is called the elect of God. Elect also means chosen. God chose Israel. Through Israel would come salvation to the ends of the world.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

God will shorten the tribulation for the elect's sake, Israel. The body of Christ is also called the elect but could not be in view in Mark 13:20 because it had not yet been revealed to Paul.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

I understand that in 2 Timothy Paul is speaking of the Jews. Paul endures all things that the Jews may also be saved. Paul's desire was to see his brethren, Israel, saved.

Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The body of Christ is called elect because we have been chosen in Christ by God's election of grace, through faith. Christ is elect, we are in Christ, and are therefore called elect.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

From the verses above it can be seen that Jesus Christ is the elect.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Israel also is called the elect of God. Elect also means chosen. God chose Israel. Through Israel would come salvation to the ends of the world.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

God will shorten the tribulation for the elect's sake, Israel. The body of Christ is also called the elect but could not be in view in Mark 13:20 because it had not yet been revealed to Paul.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

I understand that in 2 Timothy Paul is speaking of the Jews. Paul endures all things that the Jews may also be saved. Paul's desire was to see his brethren, Israel, saved.

Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The body of Christ is called elect because we have been chosen in Christ by God's election of grace, through faith. Christ is elect, we are in Christ, and are therefore called elect.

Dear Doug,
I don't want to get into another long discussion with you but I did want to respond to this one statement you made above:

Israel also is called the elect of God. Elect also means chosen. God chose Israel. Through Israel would come salvation to the ends of the world.

All the Elect, once converted, will become Israel - spiritual Israel that is.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

When you read scripture that talks about the blessings & inheritance that Israel will receive, it is talking about spiritual Israel; the Elect. The physical descendants of Israel are dwelling in outer darkness (spiritually blind to Christ). Christ does not even consider them Jews or brothers. In fact, He even lumps them in with the Gentiles:

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them (spiritual Jews/the converted Elect) that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles (babes/Early Rain only, includes physical Jews): and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (time of Elijah's 3 1/2 years of drought).

Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld (time of Elijah's drought), and there hath been no Latter Rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

And yes, it is through Israel that salvation will come to the world. But again, it is speaking of only spiritual Israel/the converted Elect.

Gen 22:18 And in thy (spiritual) seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Joe

 

[Hey You!]

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

From the verses above it can be seen that Jesus Christ is the elect.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Israel also is called the elect of God. Elect also means chosen. God chose Israel. Through Israel would come salvation to the ends of the world.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

God will shorten the tribulation for the elect's sake, Israel. The body of Christ is also called the elect but could not be in view in Mark 13:20 because it had not yet been revealed to Paul.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

I understand that in 2 Timothy Paul is speaking of the Jews. Paul endures all things that the Jews may also be saved. Paul's desire was to see his brethren, Israel, saved.

Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The body of Christ is called elect because we have been chosen in Christ by God's election of grace, through faith. Christ is elect, we are in Christ, and are therefore called elect.

That's agreeable @Doug , but the Saints are also Elected to Salvation Unconditionally. If we say Romans 9 teaches the Church is Chosen for Service not by our Will nor by our Running; why in the world would we go on to say we're Elected to Salvation through our Free Willing or our Running?

 

[Doug]

Dear Doug,
I don't want to get into another long discussion with you but I did want to respond to this one statement you made above:

Israel also is called the elect of God. Elect also means chosen. God chose Israel. Through Israel would come salvation to the ends of the world.

All the Elect, once converted, will become Israel - spiritual Israel that is.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

When you read scripture that talks about the blessings & inheritance that Israel will receive, it is talking about spiritual Israel; the Elect. The physical descendants of Israel are dwelling in outer darkness (spiritual blind to Christ). Christ does not even consider them Jews or brothers. In fact, He even lumps them in with the Gentiles:

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them (spiritual Jews/the converted Elect) that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles (babes/Early Rain only, includes physical Jews): and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (time of Elijah's 3 1/2 years of drought).

Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld (time of Elijah's drought), and there hath been no Latter Rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

And yes, it is through Israel that salvation will come to the world. But again, it is speaking of only spiritual Israel/the converted Elect.

Gen 22:18 And in thy (spiritual) seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Joe

[Gal 3:28 KJV] 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
You say we are spiritual Israel.......no we are not.......if we are spiritual Israel then we would be a Jew........Galatians says there is no Jew in the body

[Gal 6:15 KJV] 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

We are not spiritual Israel we are a new creature

 

[FaithWillDo]

[Gal 3:28 KJV] 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
You say we are spiritual Israel.......no we are not.......if we are spiritual Israel then we would be a Jew........Galatians says there is no Jew in the body

[Gal 6:15 KJV] 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

We are not spiritual Israel we are a new creature

Dear Doug,

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

All Paul is saying in Gal 3:28 is that a person's physical identity no longer matters after a person is converted because they have become a new creation. That new creation is a spiritual Jew who is the seed of Abraham. Only spiritual Jews will receive the inheritance of Abraham.

The physical Nation of Israel (like all mankind) is "condemned already" and will perish (John 3:18). But prior to them perishing in the Lake of Fire, they will be blessed by Christ and by the spiritual seed of Abraham (the spiritual Jews/Elect).

Gen 22:18 And in thy (spiritual) seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

In the end, all the nations of the world will be blessed. It is in this way that Christ will save all mankind.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joe

 

[Doug]

That's agreeable @Doug , but the Saints are also Elected to Salvation Unconditionally. If we say Romans 9 teaches the Church is Chosen for Service not by our Will nor by our Running; why in the world would we go on to say we're Elected to Salvation through our Free Willing or our Running?

Romans 9 speaks about God election.........God determines how we are saved........[Rom 9:11, 22-24 KJV] 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) ... 22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Doug]

All Paul is saying in Gal 3:28 is that a person's physical identity no longer matters after a person is converted because they have become a new creation. That new creation is a spiritual Jew who is the seed of Abraham. Only spiritual Jews will receive the inheritance of Abraham.

No the new creation is not a spiritual Jew

[Eph 2:15 KJV] 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

He made Jew and Gentile one new man........a new man NOT a spiritual Jew

[Gal 3:29 KJV] 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are the seed which is Christ (Galatians 3:16) and heirs of Christ NOT Abraham

 

[Doug]

In the end, all the nations of the world will be blessed. It is in this way that Christ will save all mankind.

[Gal 3:9 KJV] 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Only those of faith will be saved

 

[Hey You!]

Romans 9 speaks about God election.........God determines how we are saved........[Rom 9:11, 22-24 KJV] 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) ... 22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Amen @Doug !

I assumed you were against Individual, Unconditional Election; that's why I mentioned Provisionism's interpretation of Romans 9 as God’s Individual, Unconditional Election to Service...

It matters not on Who (an Individual) Wills or Runs, but it Matters with whomever God has Mercy on...

Unmerited Election ~ by ReverendRV * December 7

Ephesians 2:8 KJV; For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Compared to many Christians I know, I consider myself a ‘mini-Theologian’; and ABC, 123 kind of guy. In a way, this can be advantageous; I can say something which is as true as a deep Theologian but say it in a way that’s easier to understand. There’s a Doctrine called Unconditional Election, one of the 5-Points of Calvinism; it means that God chooses you to be Saved before you choose him as your God. I said to a friend that every Evangelical believes in Unconditional Election and I could prove it. Our verse says we are Saved by Grace, which means ‘Unmerited Favor’; there is no condition we can ever meet to merit his Election. God chooses people before they’ve done anything Good to deserve it or before they have done anything bad not to deserve it, that his purpose in Election will stand. I suggested to my friend that we change the name of Unconditional Election to Unmerited Election, and he said this would mean we are Saved by Grace. I said, “Now you’re getting it!” How can we be Saved any other way but by Grace?

Let me explain the problem. ~ Have you ever used the name of God as a cuss word? This takes his Name in Vain and is Blasphemy; what if someone went around running your name through the mud? Have you kept the Sabbath Day Holy? What if you invited someone to your Wedding but they decided to work in the yard instead; how would you feel? What if the person decided to choose your Fiancee for you before they would come? Shouldn’t YOUR purpose in your Engagement stand? These are just three of the Ten Commandments, not even counting Lying and Stealing; if God judged you by his standard would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Shouldn’t he choose anyone else but you to live happily ever after with him? Does this bother you? Then you should check to see if you’ve been invited…

This is what God’s invitation looks like. ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he was the Sinless sacrifice which appeases the Wrath of God against Sinners. He was hung on a Cross and shed his blood for the remission of Sin that he never committed; the Just dying for the Unjust. He arose from the grave and became the Author of Life for everyone who would dare to believe. We’re Saved by God’s Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, apart from Works; that’s the only way it could be true that it’s not of ourselves. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as Lord and start reading your Bible. ~ Unconditional Election doesn’t mean you can’t be Saved but teaches that God chooses us first, then we choose him. Since God is allowed to choose his people like we are allowed to choose our own Spouse, God can choose you even if you think you’re unlovable. God’s Love is special…

John 15:19 NASB; "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

 

[FaithWillDo]

No the new creation is not a spiritual Jew

[Eph 2:15 KJV] 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

He made Jew and Gentile one new man........a new man NOT a spiritual Jew

[Gal 3:29 KJV] 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are the seed which is Christ (Galatians 3:16) and heirs of Christ NOT Abraham

Doug,
Christ is "the" heir of Abraham and when we are "in Christ", we, too, become heirs of Abraham (joint heirs with Christ).

2Cor 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

You are not hearing the words of scripture but are letting false teachings shape your understanding. As before, I can't help you since you do receive your truth from God's Word.

Joe

 

[FaithWillDo]

[Gal 3:9 KJV] 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Only those of faith will be saved

Dear Doug,
All mankind will have faith because Christ will give all mankind faith before anyone perishes from His judgment.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, AND FAITH: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Christ gives a person faith when He freely gives them the Spirit. Without the Spirit, no man has any faith.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

After Christ has given all mankind their faith, this scripture will be proven true:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Where is your faith to believe these scriptures? If you don't have it, it is because Christ has not given it to you lest any man should boast.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (your faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Joe

 

[Behold]

election of grace,

There is no verse in a bible that says "election of Grace".

This phony term, "election of Grace' is created by Demonic John Calvinism, .....and is an attempt to falsly convince the easily deceived that you are predestined by God to go to heaven or you are predestined by GOD.... to go to Hell., and have NO CHOICE.

So, this cult theology, that is theological vomit.......was created by John Calvin and His Disciples, and this theology is a spiritual and theological cancer within the Body of Christ. Its a theological curse found on a Christian fourm, and should never be allowed to be taught.
Its demonic, its blasphemous, and its Cross Rejecting.

Avoid people who teach it, promote it and try to SELL IT to you and take note of who they are...because they are possessed by it, and will try to bewitch you with it.

 

[FaithWillDo]

No the new creation is not a spiritual Jew

[Eph 2:15 KJV] 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

He made Jew and Gentile one new man........a new man NOT a spiritual Jew

[Gal 3:29 KJV] 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are the seed which is Christ (Galatians 3:16) and heirs of Christ NOT Abraham

Doug,
You are not distinguishing between the physical & the spiritual and you are not understanding what scripture teaches.

I can't help you.

Joe

 

[Doug]

Amen @Doug !

I assumed you were against Individual, Unconditional Election; that's why I mentioned Provisionism's interpretation of Romans 9 as God’s Individual, Unconditional Election to Service...

It matters not on Who (an Individual) Wills or Runs, but it Matters with whomever God has Mercy on...

Unmerited Election ~ by ReverendRV * December 7

Ephesians 2:8 KJV; For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Compared to many Christians I know, I consider myself a ‘mini-Theologian’; and ABC, 123 kind of guy. In a way, this can be advantageous; I can say something which is as true as a deep Theologian but say it in a way that’s easier to understand. There’s a Doctrine called Unconditional Election, one of the 5-Points of Calvinism; it means that God chooses you to be Saved before you choose him as your God. I said to a friend that every Evangelical believes in Unconditional Election and I could prove it. Our verse says we are Saved by Grace, which means ‘Unmerited Favor’; there is no condition we can ever meet to merit his Election. God chooses people before they’ve done anything Good to deserve it or before they have done anything bad not to deserve it, that his purpose in Election will stand. I suggested to my friend that we change the name of Unconditional Election to Unmerited Election, and he said this would mean we are Saved by Grace. I said, “Now you’re getting it!” How can we be Saved any other way but by Grace?

Let me explain the problem. ~ Have you ever used the name of God as a cuss word? This takes his Name in Vain and is Blasphemy; what if someone went around running your name through the mud? Have you kept the Sabbath Day Holy? What if you invited someone to your Wedding but they decided to work in the yard instead; how would you feel? What if the person decided to choose your Fiancee for you before they would come? Shouldn’t YOUR purpose in your Engagement stand? These are just three of the Ten Commandments, not even counting Lying and Stealing; if God judged you by his standard would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Shouldn’t he choose anyone else but you to live happily ever after with him? Does this bother you? Then you should check to see if you’ve been invited…

This is what God’s invitation looks like. ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he was the Sinless sacrifice which appeases the Wrath of God against Sinners. He was hung on a Cross and shed his blood for the remission of Sin that he never committed; the Just dying for the Unjust. He arose from the grave and became the Author of Life for everyone who would dare to believe. We’re Saved by God’s Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, apart from Works; that’s the only way it could be true that it’s not of ourselves. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as Lord and start reading your Bible. ~ Unconditional Election doesn’t mean you can’t be Saved but teaches that God chooses us first, then we choose him. Since God is allowed to choose his people like we are allowed to choose our own Spouse, God can choose you even if you think you’re unlovable. God’s Love is special…

John 15:19 NASB; "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

I am afraid I may disappoint you......I think God choses how we will be saved NOT who will be.......God chose Isaac thru whom Christ would come but that doesnt mean he chooses us personally....he chose us to be saved thru the redemption in Christ thru faith

 

[Doug]

Christ is "the" heir of Abraham

What verse please

 

[Doug]

2Cor 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

This does not say we get promises made to the fathers of Israel

PS you didnt really think this would not evolve into a lengthy discussion when you keep making these beliefs did you? Just kidding ....I dont mind

 

[Doug]

Christ gives a person faith when He freely gives them the Spirit. Without the Spirit, no man has any faith.

[Rom 8:9 KJV] 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If as you say Christ gives the Spirit to all then how does this verse say that they without the Spirit are not his....there are plainly those not saved

 

[Doug]

Christ is "the" heir of Abraham

What verse are you saying Christ is heir to Abraham.

 

[FaithWillDo]

What verse please

Dear Doug,
I presented you those verses. Christ is the seed who is the heir and those who are "in Christ" become joint heirs with Him.
Joe

 

[Doug]

There is no verse in a bible that says "election of Grace".

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.