The false "7 year tribulation" doctrine

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Let's examine scripture.

The seven year tribulation doctrine does NOT come from the following verse.

Revelation 7:14
"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of
great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That verse is speaking of the tribulation of all saints, of all ages that have been martyred for their faith.
But it is also, more specifically speaking of the time when the Lord returned to destroy Jerusalem.
Jesus told us of that time when the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem, that "for then
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So we see that those verses are not speaking of any end time tribulation period.

The other verses that people refer to and try to make a point that there will be some end time 7 year tribulation
period is in Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The people that try to preach this false 7 year tribulation doctrine try to say that these verses
are speaking of the Antichrist. When it is actually speaking
of the messiah, of Jesus Christ. These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry. He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

Some try to say that the desolation of the temple from Matthew 24:15,
is what is referred to in the above scriptures of Daniel as
"the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease".
These are two different events. The desolation of the temple in Matthew is referring to
the desecration of the sanctuary by the mad attempt of Antiochus Epiphanes to
stop the "daily sacrifice," and to substitute an idolatrous worship in its place.

The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and
abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

There is no 7 year tribulation period. It's a deception to leave you unprepared for what
is truly soon to come to pass.
 
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Big deal.
Jesus said this first.
Apostles said this next.
Ekklesia have seen this ever since the first century.
For you to claim to be the one to "prove" it ..... well, get to the end of a long line proven long before you.....

As I have said and proven, there are far more ministers of Satan than there
are ministers of God. That means there are going to be much more doctrines of demons being pushed around
as truth and supported than there will be of sound doctrine.
 

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As I have said and proven, there are far more ministers of Satan than there are ministers of God. That means there are going to be much more doctrines of demons being pushed around as truth and supported than there will be of sound doctrine.
There was only one John the Baptist when Jesus came the first time.

Let's examine scripture.

Revelation 7:14
"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

... the above scriptures of Daniel as
"the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease".

The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

There is no 7 year tribulation period. It's a deception to leave you unprepared for what
is truly soon to come to pass.
Jesus had a triumphant one week entry and was hung on the cross after 3.5 days the first time.

Jesus will have a triumphant one week entry the second time. After 3.5 days Satan will break the truce and God will give Satan 3.5 years of tribulation.

The church needs to repent and stop worrying about the world and all of it's politics (Babylon), all of it's religion, all of the stuff that will burn up in the fire of God’s wrath. It is time to focus on Christ and Christ alone.
 
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... shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks ...
Newton said there is NO Scriptural or Societal precedent for summing the "seven" with the "sixty-two", -- it does "VIOLENCE" to Scripture, and if GOD had intended to convey "sixty-nine" HE would have said "sixty-nine". Perhaps you should accept the translation given by the RSV and a few others:

RSV -- Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; ...

Two durations, two anointed ones.

These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry. He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see. .
The angel disputes the commentator LIES (Dan. 12:4 & 9).

And if you're interested there are about a DOZEN contradictions between what the commentators say versus what Scripture and History account for.

Bobby Jo
 

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Newton said there is NO Scriptural or Societal precedent for summing the "seven" with the "sixty-two", -- it does "VIOLENCE" to Scripture, and if GOD had intended to convey "sixty-nine" HE would have said "sixty-nine". Perhaps you should accept the translation given by the RSV and a few others:

RSV -- Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; ...

Two durations, two anointed ones.


The angel disputes the commentator LIES (Dan. 12:4 & 9).

And if you're interested there are about a DOZEN contradictions between what the commentators say versus what Scripture and History account for.

Bobby Jo
So there is a seven-year period and the last 3 1/2 years of this are what is known as the great tribulation. Maybe we could call the seven years the tribulation, and the last part the Great Tribulation?
 

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... there is a seven-year period ...

You cite a FALSE interpretation of Daniel 9.

Perhaps if you realized what you don't know, you'd realize that you don't know. -- For example, PLEASE cite any Scriptural or Societal precedent for a person summing two non-incremented numbers typical of "seven and sixty-two". Now, a mile and a quarter; a cup and a half; four score and ten; are all LEGITIMATE increments. But a pair of shoes does not cost "seven and sixty-two dollars, plus tax".

And your "maybe" is an incorrect guess.
Bobby Jo