The Gathering of God's People

[Keraz]

Not one of these is for Gentiles who belong to the church! These are promises made to natural Israel. God keeps His promises as He says them and not as man reinterprets them allegorically.

Your beliefs fall with the teachings of the new Testament. When Jesus came, He changed the criteria for the people of God from ethnic Israelis to spiritual Israelites. Ephesians 2:11-18, Acts 2:39
Now it is we Christians, who are the children of the Promises of God, just as Isaac was. Galatians 4:28

Ezekiel 20:34-38 is a prophecy that will take place soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal. The peoples who will be allowed to enter and live in all of the holy Land, John sees them in Revelation 7, are every Christian who has proved their faith.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Does this not describe the 6 Trumpets in Revelation 8-9? The Second Coming removes the church at the 6th Seal. Israel is dealt with per this verse and Matthew 25:31-32. They are transported by angels, as all the works of man have been all burned up.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

These sheep and goats are Israel being called out of all Nations under great duress; the first 6 Trumpets.

No! Jesus physically returns at the end of the seven vials and the AC gathers his forces to battle Jesus at Petra.

Israel is not dealt with in the judgments of nations. that is a judgment of gentiles! The sheep are those who aided Israelites in the trib. period!

Matthew 25:31-40
King James Version

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These sheep are believers in teh trib period. They help either the 144,000 Jewish evangelists or Israelites in general. See? They are being rewarded for helping Jesus brethren! This is a tribulation period help only. It is not fellow gentile believers but Jews that are referred to here.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your beliefs fall with the teachings of the new Testament. When Jesus came, He changed the criteria for the people of God from ethnic Israelis to spiritual Israelites. Ephesians 2:11-18, Acts 2:39
Now it is we Christians, who are the children of the Promises of God, just as Isaac was. Galatians 4:28

Ezekiel 20:34-38 is a prophecy that will take place soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal. The peoples who will be allowed to enter and live in all of the holy Land, John sees them in Revelation 7, are every Christian who has proved their faith.

No these are simply you reinterpreting Scripture to deny God still has a future for the believing nation of Israel.

Paul still made a distinction between jews and Christians. Paul said God still saves a remnant in every generation and no where in the bible does it say the promises God made to Israel in the OT are now transferred to teh church in the NT! NOWHERE! That is replacement theology!

 

[Keraz]

In Romans 11:28-32: it does say some of the Jewish people will receive God's mercy, despite their continued rejection of Jesus. Romans 9:27
There will be two main criteria for this:
1/ They must be actual members of the House of Judah. Not those who call themselves Jews, but are not. Revelation 2:9
2/ They must show true repentance and remorse, as Jeremiah 12:14-16 tells us:..... I will have pity on them [Judah] and bring them back to their Land, if they learn the ways of My People, [Christians] and swear allegiance to My Name.


Note; the remnant Jews will be so ashamed of their errors, they will keep very quiet. Ezekiel 16:63

However; the main Christian peoples who will go to live in all of the holy Land after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it, will be descendants of the ten Northern tribes; the House of Israel, joined by every faithful Christian from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9-10
This will fulfil God's promise to the Patriarchs, that their descendants will inherit the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

 

[Timtofly]

No! Jesus physically returns at the end of the seven vials and the AC gathers his forces to battle Jesus at Petra.

Israel is not dealt with in the judgments of nations. that is a judgment of gentiles! The sheep are those who aided Israelites in the trib. period!

Matthew 25:31-40
King James Version

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These sheep are believers in teh trib period. They help either the 144,000 Jewish evangelists or Israelites in general. See? They are being rewarded for helping Jesus brethren! This is a tribulation period help only. It is not fellow gentile believers but Jews that are referred to here.

Their souls are also being separated from Adam's flesh and blood, and they are given permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

I know Jesus returns at Armageddon. Jesus was already on earth during the Trumpets and Thunders.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Their souls are also being separated from Adam's flesh and blood, and they are given permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

I know Jesus returns at Armageddon. Jesus was already on earth during the Trumpets and Thunders.

No our souls are reunited with our bodies. OUr bodies are transformed as Paul wrote at length in 1 Cor. 15.

Jesus does not return until after the seven vials are poured. He is not on earth for the vials.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No these are simply you reinterpreting Scripture to deny God still has a future for the believing nation of Israel.

Paul still made a distinction between jews and Christians. Paul said God still saves a remnant in every generation and no where in the bible does it say the promises God made to Israel in the OT are now transferred to teh church in the NT! NOWHERE! That is replacement theology!

I guess you don't accept what Paul taught then, eh?

Galatians 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Is this replacement theology? No, it's Paul explaining who the promises were actually made to, which you are not accepting. The New Testament is Scripture, but you clearly don't accept what the New Testament teaches.

 

[Timtofly]

No our souls are reunited with our bodies. OUr bodies are transformed as Paul wrote at length in 1 Cor. 15.

Jesus does not return until after the seven vials are poured. He is not on earth for the vials.

Are you saying you are the sheep and remain in Adam's dead flesh?

 

[Keraz]

No our souls are reunited with our bodies. OUr bodies are transformed as Paul wrote at length in 1 Cor. 15.

Jesus does not return until after the seven vials are poured. He is not on earth for the vials.

The fulfilment of 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is after the Millennium; at the GWT Judgment. Only then is immortality given to those worthy.

Jesus is Spiritually on earth now, Matthew 28:20 He will Return visibly at the 7th Vial, which is Armageddon.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I guess you don't accept what Paul taught then, eh?

Galatians 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Is this replacement theology? No, it's Paul explaining who the promises were actually made to, which you are not accepting. The New Testament is Scripture, but you clearly don't accept what the New Testament teaches.

You are so wrong! the Promises of Ez. 20, Jer. 31, and Zech. 13 with their judgments are for national Israel. They do not become spiritually transferred to the church- that is replacement theology when you do that.

Once again, Teh church is the bride of Christ! Its membership startred at Pentecost when the Spirit wasd given to indwell people for the first time! Teh church or body of Christ ends with the rapture. that does not mean that OT saints and post Church saints aren't saved, they are just not part of the bride as we are called in Rev. 19.

Yes in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile bond or free etc. But that is solely for those in Christ or the church saints.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The fulfilment of 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is after the Millennium; at the GWT Judgment. Only then is immortality given to those worthy.

Jesus is Spiritually on earth now, Matthew 28:20 He will Return visibly at the 7th Vial, which is Armageddon.

Boy do you read Scripture very uncarefully. Teh great white throne judgment is only for the lost! The church and a throng of people are in heaven long before teh great white throne judgment. but you do not accept that because you reject the literal millenial kingdom when Jesus reigns on earth.

No Jesus is not spiritually present on earth now. The Holy Spirit is present on earth. Jesus is not half in heaven (bodily) and half on earth (spiritually).

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Are you saying you are the sheep and remain in Adam's dead flesh?

For now I am still in a body of sin and death. But I shall be changed as it says in first corinth. 15: 50-56. Changed not given something different but this corruptible will put on incorruption.

But yes I am one of the sheep who still lives in a body of sin and death as it is written. Longing for the redemption of my body.

 

[Keraz]

Boy do you read Scripture very uncarefully. Teh great white throne judgment is only for the lost! The church and a throng of people are in heaven long before teh great white throne judgment. but you do not accept that because you reject the literal millenial kingdom when Jesus reigns on earth.

This is about the worst, quite wrong and most unpleasant post here.

The GWT Judgment is for every person who has ever lived. Revelation 20:13
It is the faithful Christian peoples who will be with Jesus during His Millennium reign. Revelation 5:10

There is a noticeably bad response, with nasty accusations made by 'rapture to heaven' believers when their theory is challenged.
They can't support that idea from the Bible, so personal attack is used.
The sad thing is, they are Christians, but have been deceived by false teachers. 2 Peter 2:1, Matthew 13:52

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are so wrong! the Promises of Ez. 20, Jer. 31, and Zech. 13 with their judgments are for national Israel. They do not become spiritually transferred to the church- that is replacement theology when you do that.

I'm wrong for accepting what Paul taught in passages like Galatians 3:16-29 and Romans 9:6-8? Really? No, I don't think so. You're wrong for not accepting what Paul taught. You should have more respect for Paul than this. Let him tell you what the Old Testament was about instead of you deciding for yourself what those OT passages mean without caring what he taught about it.

Once again, Teh church is the bride of Christ! Its membership startred at Pentecost when the Spirit wasd given to indwell people for the first time! Teh church or body of Christ ends with the rapture. that does not mean that OT saints and post Church saints aren't saved, they are just not part of the bride as we are called in Rev. 19.

The only part of this taught anywhere in scripture is that the church is the bride of Christ. The rest is not taught anywhere. What you try to separate Christ brought all together as one through His shed blood.

Yes in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile bond or free etc. But that is solely for those in Christ or the church saints.

All believers from all-time are and will be in Christ. You have been duped by false dispensational teaching. If you don't think even Old Testament saints are in Christ then read this:

1 Corinthians 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Boy do you read Scripture very uncarefully. Teh great white throne judgment is only for the lost! The church and a throng of people are in heaven long before teh great white throne judgment. but you do not accept that because you reject the literal millenial kingdom when Jesus reigns on earth.

How do you explain Matthew 25:31-46 then? Are the following two verses talking about different people?

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Timtofly]

For now I am still in a body of sin and death. But I shall be changed as it says in first corinth. 15: 50-56. Changed not given something different but this corruptible will put on incorruption.

But yes I am one of the sheep who still lives in a body of sin and death as it is written. Longing for the redemption of my body.

Better make sure your salvation is depending on your good works then.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is about the worst, quite wrong and most unpleasant post here.

The GWT Judgment is for every person who has ever lived. Revelation 20:13
It is the faithful Christian peoples who will be with Jesus during His Millennium reign. Revelation 5:10

There is a noticeably bad response, with nasty accusations made by 'rapture to heaven' believers when their theory is challenged.
They can't support that idea from the Bible, so personal attack is used.
The sad thing is, they are Christians, but have been deceived by false teachers. 2 Peter 2:1, Matthew 13:52

Well I know the bible teaches a pre trib rapture! And Sorry but the GWT is for the lost only.

Teh chu87rch was judged at the bema judgment. We have bveen in heaven for at least 1000 years already, I don't think even you believe that in heaven we can lose our salvation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How do you explain Matthew 25:31-46 then? Are the following two verses talking about different people?

They are talking about the tribulation saints. NO tthe church, nor OT believers.

The only part of this taught anywhere in scripture is that the church is the bride of Christ. The rest is not taught anywhere. What you try to separate Christ brought all together as one through His shed blood.

If you bothere4d to study scripture as written you would know this does not mean for all time! But in the church age there is no differences of admission for anyone like there was in the OT. Stop being so myopic.

 

[Truth7t7]

No! Jesus physically returns at the end of the seven vials and the AC gathers his forces to battle Jesus at Petra.

Israel is not dealt with in the judgments of nations. that is a judgment of gentiles! The sheep are those who aided Israelites in the trib. period!

Matthew 25:31-40
King James Version

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These sheep are believers in teh trib period. They help either the 144,000 Jewish evangelists or Israelites in general. See? They are being rewarded for helping Jesus brethren! This is a tribulation period help only. It is not fellow gentile believers but Jews that are referred to here.

Scripture teaches the world armies are gathered in Armageddon in the valley of (Megiddo/Israel ) that's 213 miles away from your claimed (Petra/ Jordan) it appears your claim is way off scriptural teachings

Revelation 16:16-17KJV
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well I know the bible teaches a pre trib rapture! And Sorry but the GWT is for the lost only.

Teh chu87rch was judged at the bema judgment. We have bveen in heaven for at least 1000 years already, I don't think even you believe that in heaven we can lose our salvation.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven found in scripture as you claim

It's a fabricated fairy tale of John N. Darby 1830's and promoted by C.I. Scofields reference Bible in 1909

This fairy tale is kept alive by Dallas Theological Seminary and it's many Alumni and followers, the foundation of dispensationalism that C.I. Scofield built, with Lewis S. Chafer founder of Dallas Theological being a prodigy of C.I. Scofield