The gods of amil.
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Christ established His own reign after He defeated the grave. Those of us who love Him reign "in Him" today.
jeffweeder
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Of course you aren't. You just teach it. It's the same error of the amils in Paul's time, who also taught the resurrection is past.
Like them, in order to reject the Millennium of Christ ruling all nations with His resurrected saints on earth, you say the first resurrection is past and you are already part of it.
You say the first resurrection in Rev 20 is of Jesus bodily, and you already have part in it. You teach you're own bodily resurrection is past, in the same resurrection of Jesus Christ.
You teach this heresy unwittingly, because you reject Him reigning over earth after the first resurrection of His church, and so teach the first resurrection is past.
Now, you're teaching the truth. The first resurrection from the dead, is not yet come to pass, and they are not currently reigning and ruling with Christ over all nations on earth.
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Not in heaven you're not. And we are not reigning and ruling nations with power and rod of iron. Christ's Millennium on earth is not yet here.
Misspoken obviously.;)
Non answer.
It's a boastful heresy of church militancy, to claim to be establishing the millennial reign of Christ on earth today.
No Christian on earth is establishing nor assisting nor having any part in the millennial reign of Christ on earth today.
His Millennial rule over nations with His resurrected saints, will not be until after the first resurrection of the church. And they won't be given rods of iron to destroy all flesh. That is not ruling anyone, but only destroying everyone.
Your problem is that you are either totally out of your depth and ignorant as to what Amil believes or else you are a deliberate deceiver. I suspect you know what Amil believes and you have no answer to Amil truth. You therefore have to resort to lies and ad hominem to try to gain some semblance of gain. This is the opposite to Christ who was full of love and truth.
Since when did I, or any Amil, say that the physical resurrection of the redeemed has already happened? You do not have a clue what we believe do you? Are you happy telling lies? Why do you not have any conviction about it? Christians do.
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All amil is wrong, and I don't care about any of your internecine squabbles.
And true amillennialism is a rejection of Christ ever ruling over nations of the earth with His resurrected saints.
This amillennial millennialism is a contradiction of terms, and a farcical prophecy of another christ's millennium.
True. Only the one true God and Savior Jesus Christ.
And I completely reject the preaching of Him coming again to earth just to destroy all flesh, and us given a hand in it with iron rods of our own.
You deny the current kingship of Christ, the success of His kingdom's advance over 2000 years and elevate Satan to a sovereign controlling over the affairs of this life. Amils are different. They believe Jesus is indeed King of kings and Lord of lords. Unlike you, they have a BIG God and a small devil.
Scripture demolishes your theology!
Jesus is described in Revelation 3:7 as, “he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”
He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might. It says, “he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.” This speaks of spiritual power. The key allows Christ to sovereignly open and shut in a way that no man can thwart or override.
He reigns today over the seen and the unseen world making every power and every authority “subject unto him.”
Heaven’s authority is bestowed upon Christ. He is God! Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Messiah and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as God.
He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Saviour and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as Lord.
1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”
Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.
1 Timothy 6:13-16 says, “I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate (dunastes or ruler, great authority or mighty), the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
He is going to reveal to mankind, time, and to the natural, what He is now in heaven, the invisible realm and in eternity. He "is (indeed) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”
This all confirms my previous contention: Premil is constantly exalting the power and influence of Satan and diluting the sovereign power and influence of Christ. That is nowhere more evident than in their constant rubbishing of Christ’s current kingship over His enemies at the right hand of majesty on high. Whether they mean to or not, Premils are always highlighting what Satan is doing in our day instead of what Christ is doing. Premil portrays a BIG devil and a small god, Amil has a small devil and a BIG God. In Premil, Satan seems sovereign in this age and God is curtailed. Premils are always lauding the ability of Satan since the cross. In Amil, Christ is sovereign and Satan is curtailed. Amils are always lauding the ability of Christ since the cross. As a consequence, Premil portrays an impotent beat-down New Testament Church, whereas Amil sees a victorious potent New Testament Church invading the nations with the good news of Christ and subjugating the powers of darkness as they do so. In Amil Christ reigns over all creation as God and His new creation as Saviour.
If Christ is not already King of kings, then neither is He already Lord of lords. But Revelation 19:14 tell us: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."
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I though you are supposed to have Scripture that teaches what you believe for it to be bonafide? Where in Rev 20 (your only supposed proof-text) teaches Jesus is on earth during your so-called future millennium? Where is He? What is He doing?
I am not a fellow believer of anyone that prophecies the Lord comes again just to destroy all flesh on earth, and gives us a hand in doing it with our very own rods of iron.
That is a prophecy of a false christ coming in his own name, and the Lord will put a stop to his world-wide killing.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Your love of such a prophecy makes you no fellow believer of mine. I want nothing to do with it. I'm sure there are other things we could agree with in the fellowship of Christ, but not here. At all.
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Dittoes for OSAS.
The heavenly places are in our hearts now, where Christ is now seated on earth to sup with us in His heavenly kingdom.
Are you saying you are reigning in heaven now? What angels do you command?
The first resurrection is bodily. The Millennium of Christ with His saints, is with power to rule over nations, not as today over our own lives only.
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Are you saying you have power over nations now? Which one?
Spiritually from being dead in trespasses and sin, by being forgiven of all past sinning, and no more being in tresapasses and sins.
There is no 'spiritual' millennium of Christ on earth. The only thousand years of His reign with His saints on earth, is bodily exercise of rule over all nations.
Your life only, not your neighbor's nor mine.
No, you do. Paul didn't even know of Rev 20.
You're not ruling with power over any nation on earth, not even your neighbor's home or apartment.
If I am mistaken, then just say so.
Everyman ought be king of his own house. Not until the millennium of CHrist will His kings and priests be kings over all households of all nations.
I do not accept your false intermixing of the two. You are including the physical Millennium, while trying to be spiritual about it today.
Being spiritual in Christ, does not include being physically deluded about power in Him.
The only reigning Scripture says about the saints, is that righteousness and grace reigns over them, and not sin.
The only time of reigning on earth is prophesied by Paul, and confirmed by Revelation. Not now, but only them.
No. Because Scripture says the reigning is with power to rule over the nations with rod of iron.
There isn't even anything about us 'spiritually' reigning in Christ today.
True. It's called the resurrection of the dead, that will happen at the Lord's return, to rule with power over all nations over the earth.
None of this has happened yet. There is no current spiritual reigning spoken of nor spiritual millennium on earth.
Our souls are raised from the death of sins and trespasses. Our souls are not now raised into heaven, until separation from the body.
Quote the Scripture. If grace and righteousness reigns over our lives now, then sin does not.
Paul and John prophecy reigning with Him, not now.
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
At this time, we are kings and priests in name only by grace. And if sin begins to reign over us again, we won't even have that.
I don't play symbology with plain Scripture, just to believe something I think is really great.
The Millinium of Christ on earth is prophesied plainly as several things:
The Lord Himself will inherit and rule over all nations. His resurrected saints will be given power over nations to rule with Him. That reign on earth will be for a thousand years. That's why it's called His Millennium.
This fictitious spiritualized millennium is made up in the minds of Christians only. You're more than welcome to it, but it isn't real. Try telling anyone on the street how you reign with Christ on earth now. I'm sure they'd be glad to give you a sceptre and bow down at your feet. Try telling them how you spiritually reign with Christ now on earth. I'm sure they'll be glad to shine a light on you, so that you really glow the part.
I don't even reign over my own pooh-pooh puppies. Because I haven't trained them to authoritarian rule.
The exercised authority and rule of the King and His resurrected saints, will be without the consent of nations. It will be even more authoritarian than rulers today, because it will be perfectly and immediately executed, unto death for the guilty and for the good of the innocent.
That's because they're amils. They don't believe in Christ establishing His own reign over earth, much less His people.Amills don't believe in establishing the millennial reign in the future.
Which is fine by me. It's this devilish amillennial millennialism of church militant mutants, that think they will get to end their reign with bludgeoning everyone to death. A real success story there.
Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Amils believe in corroboration. Multiple Scripture proves that the first resurrection of Jesus occurred 2000 years ago.
Ephesians 2:5-6, “Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”
Through the first resurrection we enjoy heavenly authority by being “in Christ Jesus.” We belong to Christ and are therefore spiritually seated with Him today.
Ephesians 1:3 also supports, saying, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.”
The Church currently exists in its heavenly authority procured for them by Christ who has already defeated every enemy. The introduction of the kingdom of God through Christ’s earthly ministry saw the beginning of Christ’s assault upon the global control of Satan. It is through the finished work of Calvary that the Church now walks in victory. The responsibility of the Church is to simply enter into the reality of that great eternal work by faith. We reside on a far higher spiritual plane than this sin-cursed earth, namely in the throne-room of God. Abiding there ensures we walk by His will, His commands and His blueprint rather than our own carnal desires.
With His triumphant victory at the cross and His consequential rise to the true Zion in heaven, Christ fulfils this now in this current kingdom age.
You cannot support any of your claims. That is because they are all lies. You are consumed by hate because you have no answer to Amil. Sad! Remember, the devil is the accuser of the brethren.
No answer to the truth - again. The reason why the truth needs repeated is because Premils cannot address it. It is truth that exposes your behavior and your theology. You have no answer to it. The reader can see that as they move through this thread.
You have already admitted you are not a fellow believer. Many of us suspected that with your vicious attacks.
LOL.
Where in Rev 20 (your only supposed proof-text) teaches Jesus is on earth during your so-called future millennium? Where is He? What is He doing?
Jesus is raised from the dead, not you.
You don't have authority over any angel in heaven, nor dog on earth.
Except to bludgeon it to death, if it doesn't obey you. It gives you practise for you future christ coming to do the same to anyone not obeying him.
Procured shmocured.
Professorial speak is cloke for ignorance.
Tell that to China, Iran, and Ecuador.
And any democrat.
In your own head.
So says the OSAS believer still doing works of the flesh.
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