The gods of amil.

[Earburner]

No. It means I know you are changing the subject because you cannot dispute what was posted.

So then, YOU HAVE "TAKEN PART IN THE FIRST resurrection", who is Jesus!!
Awesome! You had me worried there for minute.
Col. 1
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 

[Earburner]

Wrong. To enter the KOG one needs to be BORN again, and after physically dying we shall be physically resurrected as immortal physical beings. The resurrection is a one stage process not two.

The resurrection in Rev 20, the first of two, is for those already long before born again saints that were beheaded for refusing the MOB etc, and will be physically resurrected into immortal life.

Let's look at the prophetic words concerning the Messiah to come in Dan. 9:24, and the six works of God, that He was to "finish" by His death and resurrection.
Dan. 9
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

Q. As a born again Christian, who is a partaker of the/His divine nature, which three of the six works of Christ are you a participant of?

The answer is :#2, 3 and 4.
#2. He made an end of sins for you.
#3. He reconciled you to the Father.
#4. He has given you His righteousness.

If you have received the "finished" works of Christ, by His death and resurrection, being Himself the First resurrection INTO NEW LIFE,
You HAVE taken part in the FIRST resurrection, who is Jesus, therefore YOU ARE "blessed", and you ARE made to be "holy" by......the first resurrection, who is Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Let's look at the prophetic words concerning the Messiah to come in Dan. 9:24, and the six works of God, that He was to "finish" by His death and resurrection.
Dan. 9
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

Q. As a born again Christian, who is a partaker of the/His divine nature, which three of the six works of Christ are you a participant of?

The answer is :#2, 3 and 4.
#2. He made an end of sins for you.
#3. He reconciled you to the Father.
#4. He has given you His righteousness.

If you have received the "finished" works of Christ, by His death and resurrection, being Himself the First resurrection INTO NEW LIFE,
You HAVE taken part in the FIRST resurrection, who is Jesus, therefore YOU ARE "blessed", and you ARE made to be "holy" by......the first resurrection, who is Christ.

Which is not at all what the first resurrection is in Rev 20, the first of two groups of dead people to resurrect from the dead physically.

 

[Earburner]

Which is not at all what the first resurrection is in Rev 20, the first of two groups of dead people to resurrect from the dead physically.

Are you a "Mary" among the "Martha's"?
Hopefully so.
Luke 10:38-42.

Paul said this:
Phil. 3
[10] That I may know him, and the power of  HIS resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
If you are a partaker [taking part] of the [His] divine nature, then you can know the power of His resurrection, who is the first resurrection, the ONLY one who is the firstborn from the dead into immortality.

To make a pun:
You are having a problem with "Who is on "First" base"
(Comedy routine by Abbott and Costello).

In other words, you are misunderstanding the words "the first resurrection", as to WHOM it is applied to, and WHEN it was applied.
Here is the clue:
Rom. 8:9...whosoever hath NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his, which is in direct conjunction with John 3
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Also: 1 John 5:12-13
[12] He that HATH the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

So the question is, how does anyone receive the gift of God's eternal life, if they haven't had part in His Son's resurrection?
THEY CAN'T!!

 

[ewq1938]

In other words, you are misunderstanding the words "the first resurrection", as to WHOM it is applied to, and WHEN it was applied.

No, I understand it correctly. YOU are misunderstanding the words "the first resurrection" thinking it is Jesus when Rev 20 says it is a group of people who are the first of two groups, as to WHOM it is applied and WHEN it WILL BE applied since the resurrection is a future event.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I understand it correctly. YOU are misunderstanding the words "the first resurrection" thinking it is Jesus when Rev 20 says it is a group of people who are the first of two groups, as to WHOM it is applied and WHEN it WILL BE applied since the resurrection is a future event.

You don't understand what it means to have part in the first resurrection, which scripture teaches was Christ's resurrection:

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

The mass bodily resurrection that will occur when Christ returns cannot be the first resurrection because scripture makes it abundantly clear that Christ's bodily resurrection was the first resurrection (in context, the first resurrection unto bodily immortality).

 

[Earburner]

Which is not at all what the first resurrection is in Rev 20, the first of two groups of dead people to resurrect from the dead physically.

I have no problem with informing you that you have been blinded by the false doctrines of Premil "church-ianity".

 

[ewq1938]

I have no problem with informing you that you have been blinded by the false doctrines of Premil "church-ianity".

I have no problem with informing you that you have been blinded by the false doctrines of Amill "church-ianity".

 

[Timtofly]

Are you a "Mary" among the "Martha's"?
Hopefully so.
Luke 10:38-42.

Paul said this:
Phil. 3
[10] That I may know him, and the power of  HIS resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
If you are a partaker [taking part] of the [His] divine nature, then you can know the power of His resurrection, who is the first resurrection, the ONLY one who is the firstborn from the dead into immortality.

To make a pun:
You are having a problem with "Who is on "First" base"
(Comedy routine by Abbott and Costello).

In other words, you are misunderstanding the words "the first resurrection", as to WHOM it is applied to, and WHEN it was applied.
Here is the clue:
Rom. 8:9...whosoever hath NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his, which is in direct conjunction with John 3
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Also: 1 John 5:12-13
[12] He that HATH the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

So the question is, how does anyone receive the gift of God's eternal life, if they haven't had part in His Son's resurrection?
THEY CAN'T!!

No one can take part in The Resurrection of Christ until they are physically dead and no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The second birth is not the first resurrection. The second birth places you into God's family. The first resurrection places you into God's permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise.

The only way the soul is made conformable to the death and resurrection of Christ is to physically die and leave this body to return to dust.

 

[Timtofly]

You don't understand what it means to have part in the first resurrection, which scripture teaches was Christ's resurrection:

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

The mass bodily resurrection that will occur when Christ returns cannot be the first resurrection because scripture makes it abundantly clear that Christ's bodily resurrection was the first resurrection (in context, the first resurrection unto bodily immortality).

The first resurrection did happen for all those souls in Abraham's bosom. They have had permanent incorruptible physical bodies since 30AD. The first resurrection happens to all in Christ when they physically leave earth and enter Paradise. The first resurrection is physical out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. They have been rising first since 30AD. No one on earth has prevented that, not even in their belief system. There is nothing you can do nor believe to prevent those in Christ from rising first.

After Armageddon those beheaded in the prior 42 months will be judged and given the first resurrection into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. No one already given the first resurrection, can be affected by the second death into the LOF.

 

[PinSeeker]

Here is what I believe to be the first resurrection:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." (Paul, Ephesians 2:6-8)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you..." (Peter, 1 Peter 1:3-4)

And this is the basis on which John says, "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years... This is the first resurrection... Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power..." (Revelation 20:4-6)

These passages are absolutely parallel to each other.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[ewq1938]

Here is what I believe to be the first resurrection:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." (Paul, Ephesians 2:6-8)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you..." (Peter, 1 Peter 1:3-4)

And this is the basis on which John says, "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years... This is the first resurrection... Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power..." (Revelation 20:4-6)

These passages are absolutely parallel to each other.

Grace and peace to all.

The first resurrection in Rev 20 is a group of people who partake in the first of two resurrections. Scripture refers to THEM as "they".

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[PinSeeker]

The first resurrection in Rev 20 is a group of people who partakle in the first of two resurrections. Scripture refers to THEM as "they".

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You know, thanks, EWQ, but I'm really not sure what to make of your post... whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. I'm not really concerned about it, but, yeah, I'm not sure.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[ewq1938]

You know, thanks, EWQ, but I'm really not sure what to make of your post... whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

Do you agree or disagree with what I posted?

 

[PinSeeker]

Do you agree or disagree with what I posted?

I really don't know, EWQ. Was I unclear in what I said? I did say that I'm not sure whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with what I said in post #191. I think ~ I think ~ you're seeing a difference where there's not one. But you can speak for yourself; far be it from me to put words in your mouth.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[ewq1938]

I really don't know, EWQ. Was I unclear in what I said? I did say that I'm not sure whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with what I said in post #191. I think ~ I think ~ you're seeing a difference where there's not one. But you can speak for yourself; far be it from me to put words in your mouth.

Grace and peace to you.

I disagreed with you that the two passages you posted were parallel. Being resurrected from the dead and being born again are two different things. The two passages do not speak of the same things, and I explained what Rev 20 is addressing.

 

[PinSeeker]

I disagreed with you that the two passages you posted were parallel.

Okay. :)

Being resurrected from the dead and being born again are two different things.

Ah, well, okay, we disagree. :) The first resurrection is spiritual, in which we are raised from death in sin ~ we were formerly dead in our trespasses (Ephesians 2:5) ~ to life in the spirit by and of the Holy Spirit ~ made alive together with Christ and raised up with him (Ephesians 2:6). It is a spiritual raising from death to life ~ a resurrection. Paul and Peter, in the verses I cited above, are both speaking from a different perspective (among our own perspective) than John is (from God's perspective) in Revelation 20... thus the 'we' as opposed to 'they.' But what is related by John in Revelation 20:4-6 is very much the same thing as what Paul and Peter are talking about in Ephesians 2 and 1 Peter 1.

The two passages do not speak of the same things, and I explained what Rev 20 is addressing.

I understand you, and I disagree, for the reasons stated immediately above.

Grace and peace to you, EWQ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ah, well, okay, we disagree. :) The first resurrection is spiritual, in which we are raised from death in sin ~ we were formerly dead in our trespasses (Ephesians 2:5) ~ to life in the spirit by and of the Holy Spirit ~ made alive together with Christ and raised up with him (Ephesians 2:6). It is a spiritual raising from death to life ~ a resurrection. Paul and Peter, in the verses I cited above, are both speaking from a different perspective (among our own perspective) than John is (from God's perspective) in Revelation 20... thus the 'we' as opposed to 'they.' But what is related by John in Revelation 20:4-6 is very much the same thing as what Paul and Peter are talking about in Ephesians 2 and 1 Peter 1.

And what Paul wrote about in passages like these as well:

Colossians 2:11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the fleshwas put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life....9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, Paul wrote the same things over and over again in different ways, different letters, but the same in substance.

Grace and peace to you, SI.

 

[ewq1938]

The first resurrection is spiritual

Nope. The one spoken of in Rev 20 is physical. It is speaking of dead Christians coming back to life...a resurrection. It is the first of two in the chapter which is why it's called "first".

, in which we are raised from death in sin ~ we were formerly dead in our trespasses (Ephesians 2:5) ~ to life in the spirit by and of the Holy Spirit ~ made alive together with Christ and raised up with him (Ephesians 2:6). It is a spiritual raising from death to life ~ a resurrection.

The people who are resurrected first in Rev 20 were already born again before they were murdered. The resurrection they are experiencing in Rev 20 is the physical resurrection so many prophets spoke about.

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Paul and Peter, in the verses I cited above, are both speaking from a different perspective (among our own perspective) than John is (from God's perspective) in Revelation 20... thus the 'we' as opposed to 'they.' But what is related by John in Revelation 20:4-6 is very much the same thing as what Paul and Peter are talking about in Ephesians 2 and 1 Peter 1.

No, not the same thing. You are confusing Rev 20's physical resurrection with being born again.

I understand you, and I disagree, for the reasons stated immediately above.

Grace and peace to you, EWQ.

Same to you.