THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

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Ronald Nolette

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Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.
You are correct in that the gospels are historical books and show the transition from teh law to grace and from the kingdom being presented to Israel, then postponed, and the fulfilling of the OT prophecy that God would take out of the Gentiles a people for Himself.

But the death and resurrection of Jesus is for the church.
 

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So let me get this straight:
You’re claiming the words of Jesus — the Son of God, the King of the Jews, the Word made flesh — don’t apply to believers because He hadn’t died yet?​
That’s not sound doctrine.​
That’s Scofield-fueled delusion.​
You say, “The kingdom was being offered to Israel.”​
Here’s the problem:
Hello @The Gospel of Christ

This is not what @Doug is saying. Please do not use false accusations. Instead, take time to consider what is really being said.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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"The Kingdom was postponed"
Antichrist statement
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Do you desire to speak against the words of the Lord Jesus Christ? = Matthew 22:1-14

And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2“The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ 5But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ 10So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, https://biblehub.com/nkjv/matthew/22.htm#footnotestake him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
 

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Yes, and he did NOT teach the old covenant or the Law of Moses as that had ceased since Jesus brought a NEW Covenant
[Mat 11:13 KJV] 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
The law did not end with John only prophecy concerning the Lord Jesus coming and suffering

[Mat 5:18 KJV] 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 

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Yes, and he did NOT teach the old covenant or the Law of Moses as that had ceased since Jesus brought a NEW Covenant

Hebrews 10:9 - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The new covenant will be made......it is not yet in effect
[Eze 36:24 KJV] 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
it will be when Israel is in all the promised land
 

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And Jesus is the new High Priest replacing Moses

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Actually, it replaced the Levitical priesthood.................[Heb 7:11 KJV] 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The law had to be changed only in regard to the Levitical priesthood being replaced
 
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And just like with Abraham, being justified by faith requires one to act as though what they believe is actually true.

Unlike in modern times we see people claiming to be Christians living as sinners just like those in the world that have not been born again
Abraham only had to believe God to be justified unto eternal life .......... [Gen 15:5-6 KJV] 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Now Abraham was under covenant and under covenant had to obey and have works Genesis 17:10 and offer up Isaac
[Gen 22:18 KJV] 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

We should not sin but our eternal life , like Abraham, is only by faith
 
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Same Jews in Jesus day = Read Hebrews chapter 11
[Deu 31:11 KJV] 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

I was saying these Jews when they heard prophecy like in Genesis 3 did not have all the knowledge we do to understand it they just believed it
 

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So let me get this straight:
You’re claiming the words of Jesus — the Son of God, the King of the Jews, the Word made flesh — don’t apply to believers because He hadn’t died yet?
I am saying the new testament was not in force til he died.....that has nothing to do with his commandments and teaching
 
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[Deu 31:11 KJV] 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

I was saying these Jews when they heard prophecy like in Genesis 3 did not have all the knowledge we do to understand it they just believed it
Oh, they understood Genesis 3

By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,” concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense. - Hebrews 11:17
 
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I have always said that but you are not the true Israel of God


Doug — what you’re preaching isn’t just confused, it’s a theological train wreck that tramples the blood of Christ and tries to stitch the torn veil back together with Scofield’s lies and flesh-based religion.

You’re out here acting like Jesus didn’t establish the New Covenant — like His death was a placeholder for a later fulfillment that hinges on borders, bloodlines, and a nation in unbelief. That’s not the Gospel. That’s a spiritually bankrupt fantasy rooted in dispensational delusion.

1. “The New Covenant isn’t in effect yet…”

Dead wrong.

“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”Luke 22:20
“He takes away the first, that He may establish the second.”Hebrews 10:9
“A new covenant… He has made the first obsolete.”Hebrews 8:13

The New Covenant was ratified at the Cross.
It’s not waiting on Israeli real estate.
It’s not on hold until Ezekiel 36 happens on CNN.
It’s in force now, and if you’re not in Christ, you’re not in it at all.

2. “Only the priesthood changed, not the Law…”

Then you don’t understand the Law.

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”Hebrews 7:12

Not a tweak.
Not a patch job.
A change of law — because the entire Levitical system was a shadow, and the substance is Christ.

“The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.”Hebrews 10:1

If you’re clinging to the old framework after the Cross, you’re not defending truth —
you’re resurrecting shadows.

3. “Abraham was justified only by faith… but also by works…”

Pick a lane.

“Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”Genesis 15:6 / Romans 4:3
“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.”Romans 4:4
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”Romans 4:5

Abraham’s righteousness came by faith — before circumcision, before offering Isaac, before Genesis 22.
His obedience was the fruit, not the root.
You’re trying to nail the torn veil back up with Moses’ hammer and call it balance. It’s not.
It’s confusion — and Paul already warned the Galatians against that exact lie.

4. “Jesus’ words don’t apply until after He died…”

This is one of the most dangerous and blasphemous doctrines in modern evangelicalism — the idea that the words of Jesus don’t apply because they were spoken “before the Cross.”

As if the Son of God was just a warm-up act.
As if the Word made flesh didn’t speak with final authority.

“The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” — John 6:63
“He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him…” — John 12:48


His teachings weren’t optional.
They weren’t “pre-cross filler.”
They are the living commands of the King spoken by the One who is the covenant.

If you claim to follow Christ but sideline His words,
you’re not following the Gospel.
You’re outside the covenant — and under judgment.

5. “You are not the true Israel of God…”

Yes, I am — and so is every blood-washed believer in Jesus Christ, Jew or Gentile.

This twisted lie—that the Church is not the true Israel—is a Scofield-era distortion that no apostle or church father ever taught.


“They are not all Israel, which are of Israel… The children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.”Romans 9:6–8
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”Galatians 3:29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”Galatians 3:28
“We are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3
“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession…”1 Peter 2:9
(He’s quoting Old Testament Israel language — and applying it directly to the Church.)

Justin Martyr (100–165 AD): “The true spiritual Israel... are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11

Irenaeus (130–202 AD): “It is those who believe in Him and do His will who shall be the Israel of God.”Against Heresies, Book 4

Origen (184–253 AD): “The Church is the continuation of Israel, and the promises belong to her.”

The Two-Israel Lie Was INVENTED in the 1800s

John Nelson Darby
(1830s): Father of Dispensationalism — introduced the idea of a future earthly plan for ethnic Israel.

C.I. Scofield (1909): Popularized it in the "free" Scofield Reference Bibles, smuggling this lie into American evangelical churches through footnotes. (Just in time to annex Palestine in 1948)

Before Darby and Scofield, no one believed in two peoples of God, two covenants, two salvations.
It’s a Zionist heresy, not biblical doctrine.

True Israel has never been about borders or bloodlines.
It’s always been about faith in the Promise.
The remnant — not the race.

You can’t be “elect” while rejecting the Elect One.
You can’t inherit the covenant while rejecting the One who fulfilled it.
You’re trying to blend shadows with substance, Old with New, bloodline with belief.
But Jesus doesn’t share the stage.

He tore the veil.
He ended the sacrifices.
He fulfilled the law.
And now, He is the covenant.

There is no “gospel for the Gentiles” and another for the Jews.
There is one Gospel, one Body, one Christ — and His return won’t be staged to fulfill Scofield’s fan fiction.

Repent of this patchwork theology.
Return to the simplicity of the Cross.
Because if you're building doctrine that sidelines Christ, splits His body, and delays His covenant —
you’re not rightly dividing the Word.
You’re butchering it.
 
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Revealed thru Paul for us
Prophesied by God in Genesis
Prophesied by God thru the prophets
God revealed in JESUS
Gospel of God/Word/Holy Spirit to Israel
Gospel of God/Jesus/Holy Spirit to the world
Prophesied by God thru the prophets
God revealed in JESUS in the Believer thru the Holy Spirit
Prophesy of God Fulfilled in JESUS
Prophesy of God Fulfilled in the Holy Spirit/Pentecost and until His Return
Prophesy of God Fulfilled in the Holy Spirit/Pentecost and in the Church/Body of Christ until His Return
 

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Oh, they understood Genesis 3

By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,” concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense. - Hebrews 11:17
[Heb 11:18-19 KJV] 18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19 Accounting that God [was] able to raise [him] up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

The scripture doesnt say anything about how Abraham had knowledge of the resurrection but I think it may be related to v18 where it would be thru Isaac that his seed would be called and the seed would be like the sand Genesis 17:19 13:15-16
There is nothing in Genesis 3 about resurrection
 

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1. “The New Covenant isn’t in effect yet…”

Dead wrong.

“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”Luke 22:20
“He takes away the first, that He may establish the second.”Hebrews 10:9
“A new covenant… He has made the first obsolete.”Hebrews 8:13
The problem is in the translations where they say covenant instead of testament wrongly