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Grailhunter

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I would definitely like to hear more about the above and your research into it.


You hear them all the time, words and phrase that have been snuck into the minds of Christians. Words and phrases that are not in the Bible. Man-made sins, so many that it convinces some Christians that it is like the Mosaic Law, they effectively have put the burden of the Mosaic Laws back on Christians. It is important to know what the real sins are. Because if you know you can actually live a life with very few sins. You do not need a license to sin.

Words and phrase like Trinity, Original Sin, Virgin Mary, Immaculate Conception, Purgatory. I heard one the other day Spiritual Jew. Calvinism's 5 points are not phrases that are in the Bible. Then you have sodomy and fornication. Everyone knows that the Bible condemns homosexual activity and it is a sin. But the word sodomy came in play much later in history…. in a person's mind it ties into Sodom and Gomorra and the sinfulness of these two cities and the imagery is why they came up with the word sodomy, to tie into all this. Then they take the word and give it additional meanings, which mean a lot more than just homosexuality. To the point that the only sexual activity and position allowed between a man and his wife, that is not sodomy, is the missionary position.


The story about fornication is longer and more complicated. And believe it or not I have shorted this from my essay.

The evolution of the word fornication
The Greek word porneia means prostitute or associated with prostitutes. Which was not a negative term in the Greco-Roman culture. But the Christian religion thought differently. The New Testament was written mostly in Greek, a Pagan Language. When the Apostles were writing the New Testament they were tasked with using a Pagan language that did not reflect Christian morals. So the Christians adjusted the words and definitions to convey their thoughts. There are variances to the Greek word porneia that define various sexual activities….all of which Christianity considers sinful.

The false beliefs associated with the word fornication start a long long time ago. If you noticed there was no wedding ceremony or vows in Eden. And then you can read the rest of the Bible you will not find a requirement for wedding ceremonies or vows. Yep! That is right the Bible does not state a requirement for a wedding ceremony, Old or New Testament. People formed marriages as God described it… For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Genesis 2:24 Neither the Old or New Testament state a requirement for wedding ceremonies. It was actually the Protestants that first required a wedding ceremony to be married, in the 1500’s. History of weddings…another long story.

Christianity has lumped a lot of Greek words into the word Fornication as seen in some definitions of the word, that follows, but the word fornication does not appear in any scripture.


Some examples that you will see for fornication.
noun
πορνεία
prostitution, whoring, harlotry, whoredom,

συνουσία
fornication, coition, intercourse, copulation


From the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
illicit sexual intercourse adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. sexual intercourse with close relatives

But Fornication is not a translational error it is man-made word that made its way into the 16th and 17th century translations of the Bible, but still this word did not originate in these Bibles.


When the Greek text was translated into the Latin Vulgate, (circa 404 AD) sexual immorality was translated as fornicatio, and so variants of the Greek word porneia were lumped into the word fornicatio. Then translated into the English word fornication and was used in the original Tyndale, Geneva, and King James Version of the Bible.

Porneia in the Greek society is mostly a reference to prostitution which was not wrong in their culture. For example pornography, is an ancient Greek word that means writings or paintings of prostitutes and many Roman homes had murals of sex acts and or prostitutes on their walls.

But in the Bible the Greek word Porneia and its variances appear several times in the actual scriptures. In all cases the Christian writers were using it as some form of sexual immorality. And you will see this in modern translations where they use the phrase sexual immorality instead of the word fornication.

Examples:
πορνείας·…
porneias … Sexual immorality
πορνείᾳ …
porneiai … Sexual immorality in the plural
πορνεῦσαι … To commit sexual immorality involving sexual acts
πορνείαν … Idolatry involving sexual acts
πόρνος … A person that practices sexual immorality
πόρνοι … Refering to as a group of the sexually immoral
πορνεῖαι … inflectional, more or less dirty thoughts

Appearing in these scriptures….
Matthew 5:32, 5:19, Mark 7:21, John 8:4, Acts 15:20, 5:29, 21:25, Romans 1:29* 1st Corinthians 5:1, 5:9, 5:10, 6:13, 6:18, 7:2, 10:8, 2nd Corinthians 12:21, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, 1st Thessalonians 4:3, Jude 1:7, Revelation 2:14, 2:14, 2:20, 2:21, 9:21, 14:8, 17:2, 17:4, 18:3, 18:19, 19:2

The evolution of the word Fornicate or Fornication
Fornicate comes from the Latin, the term fornix means arch or vaulted ceiling. In Ancient Rome, it was known that prostitutes would wait for their customers out of the hot sun or rain in areas that had cover…vaulted ceilings. The Latin word fornix became a euphemism for brothels and the Latin verb fornicare referred to a man visiting a brothel. Meaning a man being serviced by prostitutes.

Trying to make a long story short here, the earlier versions translated sexual immorality, and all the variances and scenarios thereof into the word fornication. Then they introduced a new definition, two unmarried people having sex. There is no definition in the scriptures that indicate two unmarried people having sex is a sin....because that is how they formed a marriage.

Of course there are instances where two unmarried people having sex can be a sin. Casual sex...and one night stands, prostitutes, general whoremongering, carousing etc. Modern more accurate translations generally use the phrase sexual immorality instead of fornication.


The need for wedding ceremonies was something that God taught us after the Bible. Something that is a very good thing. It is the right thing to do. Like I said, it is a long story. But I am very big on weddings. The bigger the better.

The sin that the word fornication causes is the sin of falsely accusing people, condemning, judging, turning people away from Christianity. Shacking up! Living in sin! Couples that are together and are monogamous have not sinned. Of course we want them to have a wedding ceremony. That is why they should be welcomed in the church, fellowship with Christians and they may see it is the right thing to do.

As time went on Christianity developed a very negative view towards women and sexuality and the word fornication is just one of the reasons for that and it actually lead to some horrific atrocities at the hands of the church.
 
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@Grailhunter Wow! Very interesting. I want to really dig into this post and look at all the scripture references and stuff. Thank you for answering my question!!
 

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If you noticed there was no wedding ceremony or vows in Eden. And then you can read the rest of the Bible you will not find a requirement for wedding ceremonies or vows. Yep! That is right the Bible does not state a requirement for a wedding ceremony, Old or New Testament.

The sin that the word fornication causes is the sin of falsely accusing people, condemning, judging, turning people away from Christianity. Shacking up! Living in sin! Couples that are together and are monogamous have not sinned. Of course we want them to have a wedding ceremony. That is why they should be welcomed in the church, fellowship with Christians and they may see it is the right thing to do.
Sorry, wedding ceremonies is a part of marriage. You are simply not reading and believing the Bible. Perhaps you skipped the part of the Bible where it talks about that whole wedding ceremony thing involving Jesus and the miracle of turning water into wine.

John 2:1-11

1 “And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do
it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare
it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse:
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.”

It seems like you also missed the “Parable of the Marriage of the King’s Son,” too.

Matthew 22:1-14

1 “And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and
my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of
it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated
them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard
thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast
him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few
are chosen.”

Besides, the Lord delegates to human authorities the power to bind a marriage or annul it when they are not violating His law (cf. the principles found in Romans 13:1-7).

Also, Mark 10:4 says,

“And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.”.

The bill of divorcement was a document. Logic dictates that if there was a written contract to annul a marriage, then there was one for marriage.

Jesus said to the woman at the well,

“Go, call your husband and come back.”

The woman replied,
“I have no husband,”

Jesus said to her,
“You are correct to say that you have no husband. In fact, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. You have spoken truthfully.”
(John 4:16-18) (BSB).

In other words, Jesus makes a distinction between the men she had previously married vs. the one she is shacking up with now who is not her husband. Note: This means that the man she is sleeping with currently did not partake of a legal marriage contract so as to be qualified in being called her husband.

The fact that Solomon had many wives and then also concubines also refutes the idea that sex is the agreement to start marriage.

If we were to exegetically read Exodus 22:16, this strongly suggests that sex “leads to marriage” rather than coming after, as well.

Exodus 22:16-17
16 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged in marriage and sleeps with her, he must pay the full dowry for her to be his wife.
17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, the man still must pay an amount comparable to the bridal price of a virgin.”
 
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“It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.” (1 Corinthians 5:1).

The above verse is talking about sex outside of marriage.

The Jews said to Jesus:
“We be not born of fornication;” (John 8:41).

In other words, the Jews accused Jesus’ parents of being born out of fornication (sex before marriage). For when Joseph discovered Mary pregnant he feared to take Mary as his wife but the angel explained to Joseph what was really going on (Matthew 1:20).

Galatians 5:19 distinguishes between fornication and adultery. So they are not exactly the same thing.

Of course liberal Christianity distorts these kinds of things because they like the idea of sex before a real legal marriage as being okay with God.
 
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Sorry, wedding ceremonies is a part of marriage. You are simply not reading and believing the Bible.
As usual you cannot discern the facts.
Go ahead, prove me wrong....find a requirement for wedding ceremonies in the Bible.
We know very little about the wedding in Cana and that is another topic, but nothing there to suggest a requirement for Wedding.
The Protestants were the first to require a wedding ceremony for marriage.
Sorry, wedding ceremonies is a part of marriage. You are simply not reading and believing the Bible. Perhaps you skipped the part of the Bible where it talks about that whole wedding ceremony thing involving Jesus and the miracle of turning water into wine.

John 2:1-11

1 “And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do
it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare
it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse:
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.”

It seems like you also missed the “Parable of the Marriage of the King’s Son,” too.

Matthew 22:1-14

1 “And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and
my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of
it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated
them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard
thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast
him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few
are chosen.”

Besides, the Lord delegates to human authorities the power to bind a marriage or annul it when they are not violating His law (cf. the principles found in Romans 13:1-7).

Also, Mark 10:4 says,

“And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.”.

The bill of divorcement was a document. Logic dictates that if there was a written contract to annul a marriage, then there was one for marriage.

Jesus said to the woman at the well,

“Go, call your husband and come back.”

The woman replied,
“I have no husband,”

Jesus said to her,
“You are correct to say that you have no husband. In fact, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. You have spoken truthfully.”
(John 4:16-18) (BSB).

In other words, Jesus makes a distinction between the men she had previously married vs. the one she is shacking up with now who is not her husband. Note: This means that the man she is sleeping with currently did not partake of a legal marriage contract so as to be qualified in being called her husband.

The fact that Solomon had many wives and then also concubines also refutes the idea that sex is the agreement to start marriage.

If we were to exegetically read Exodus 22:16, this strongly suggests that sex “leads to marriage” rather than coming after, as well.

Exodus 22:16-17
16 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged in marriage and sleeps with her, he must pay the full dowry for her to be his wife.
17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, the man still must pay an amount comparable to the bridal price of a virgin.”

And here is another.
Matthew 25:1-13 Parable of the Ten Virgins

At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Where do you think Christ got this story.

You are not going to find a wedding in the Old Testament. Ya know why? Because the Hebrew language does not have a word for Wed or wedding....

Now you do not know where Christ got this because you are unlearned and of little knowledge.
 

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“It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.” (1 Corinthians 5:1).

Chalk another one up for the errors of the KJV!

In other words, the Jews accused Jesus’ parents of being born out of fornication (sex before marriage). For when Joseph discovered Mary pregnant he feared to take Mary as his wife but the angel explained to Joseph what was really going on (Matthew 1:20).

I am surprised you even know that. LOL

Galatians 5:19 distinguishes between fornication and adultery. So they are not exactly the same thing.

No it does not, because fornication is not a word that appears in the scriptures.

Lose again.
 

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As usual you cannot discern the facts.
Go ahead, prove me wrong....find a requirement for wedding ceremonies in the Bible.
We know very little about the wedding in Cana and that is another topic, but nothing there to suggest a requirement for Wedding.
The Protestants were the first to require a wedding ceremony for marriage.


And here is another.
Matthew 25:1-13 Parable of the Ten Virgins

At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Where do you think Christ got this story.

You are not going to find a wedding in the Old Testament. Ya know why? Because the Hebrew language does not have a word for Wed or wedding....

Now you do not know where Christ got this because you are unlearned and of little knowledge.

You really have not disproven any of the points that I said. The bringing up the parable of the 10 virgins also does not support you here. You just like to act like you know the original languages when you don’t know them. Nobody knows them with 100% accuracy. People are only guessing. Oh, and the word “wedding” appears seven times in the King James Bible, and eighteen times in the NIV. The word “marriage” appears 19 times in the KJB, and 43 times in the NIV. I am sure the translators of these bibles know more than you do. I really think you just started off thinking sex outside of marriage is okay, and so you approached the Bible trying to prove your hypothesis so as to justify sin.

Your a liberal. Many (not all) liberals do not have a problem with the whole sex before marriage issue. They are liberal in their values and or their reading of God’s Word. If they don’t like the Bible, they can just throw down the original languages card and act like they know what they are talking about (When they are only guessing), and they really have no clue (Seeing they did not grow up in that culture in bible times to truly know).
 
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Chalk another one up for the errors of the KJV!

You see errors where none exist. Liberals have been known to hate the King James Bible with a passion. But your error is even exposed even if we were to read Modern Translations, as well (of which I support in a Christian reading - as long as they have a final Word of authority or a settled Word of God that cannot be so easily changed or altered).

You said:
I am surprised you even know that. LOL

No offense, but that’s because you make false assumptions on things (Including the Bible).

You said:
No it does not, because fornication is not a word that appears in the scriptures.

Sure it does. I can open any Bible today in English and point to you the word fornication and how it exists in print.
You simply don’t like the translators rendering of that word and think you are the only guy on the planet that is smarter than everyone else.

You said:
Lose again.

In order to truly prove you won, you have to kind of back that up with some evidence. You have not really done so. You are just making wild assertions as if what you say is true (When you have not proven anything).
 
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You really have not disproven any of the points that I said.

I do not care.

You see errors where none exist.

It does not matter how many lists of errors of the KJV I find, but nearly every time I talk to a KJV worshipper...they bring up another scripture in error. There is so many errors in the KJV I beginning to think it is only for those that know nothing of the scriptures.

Sure it does. I can open any Bible today in English and point to you the word fornication and how it exists in print.
You simply don’t like the translators rendering of that word and think you are the only guy on the planet that is smarter than everyone else.

Try it.....the NASB, NIV, and ESV should not have the word fornications because it is reserved for less accurate translations. LOL
 
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Bible Highlighter said:
You really have not disproven any of the points that I said.
I do not care.

When Scripture can be twisted whenever one does not like what it says, they really don’t need to prove anything.

You said:
It does not matter how many lists of errors of the KJV I find, but nearly every time I talk to a KJV worshipper...they bring up another scripture in error. There is so many errors in the KJV I being to think it is only for those that know nothing of the scriptures.

We’ve been over this a bunch of times already. Worship according to the Bible is bowing down to a statue and treating it like a god. I don’t do that with the KJB. In fact, Psalms 119:140 disproves your pet theory that a believer cannot cherish God’s words because they believe it is pure. For it says, “Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalms 119:140). So I believe the Bible by faith in what it plainly says, and not you. You can play “Twist a Scripture like a pretzel” all you like if you want to defend your own private interpretations. But I would not recommend in you continuing to do so. Just read the Bible, and believe it.

Oh, and I am a strong advocate for Christians to read Modern Translations, too. I believe reading the King James Bible alone can cause confusion because of the archaic words (Unless one is an expert on 1600’s English and archaic words). Most are not, and so a Modern Bible is extremely helpful in updating those words in the KJB.

You said:
Try it.....the NASB, NIV, and ESV should not have the word fornications because it is reserved for less accurate translations. LOL

The only one laughing is you. It’s not funny that such truth has not been discovered until you were born. What would we have ever done without you? Looks like all of Christianity was in the dark until you came along? Christians all over the world should be so grateful for your help. :rolleyes:

So who has agreed with you? Respected scholars? Maybe you are changing the mind on many new translations? Yeah, I don’t think so.
 

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When Scripture can be twisted whenever one does not like what it says, they really don’t need to prove anything.

Fornication is not in the actual because it is an English word.
The word fornication is a scam that has caused great harm to Christianity and if it had hands, it would have blood on them.

We’ve been over this a bunch of times already. Worship according to the Bible is bowing down to a statue and treating it like a god. I don’t do that with the KJB. In fact, Psalms 119:140 disproves your pet theory that a believer cannot cherish God’s words because they believe it is pure. For it says, “Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalms 119:140). So I believe the Bible by faith in what it plainly says, and not you. You can play “Twist a Scripture like a pretzel” all you like if you want to defend your own private interpretations. But I would not recommend in you continuing to do so. Just read the Bible, and believe it.

You do not believe the Bible, you believe a Bible.

The only one laughing is you. It’s not funny that such truth has not been discovered until you were born. What would we have ever done without you? Looks like all of Christianity was in the dark until you came along? Christians all over the world should be so grateful for your help. :rolleyes:

LOL you so funny....prove it.

So who has agreed with you? Respected scholars? Maybe you are changing the mind on many new translations? Yeah, I don’t think so.

You forget I have been educated. Respected scholars...all that would matter to you is people that worship the KJV.

Again prove that the NASB, NIV, or ESV translations have the word fornication in them. LOL You lose again!
Might as well have a Boeing 747 in the scriptures....
 

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Should have had guns in the school to defend against things like that

Right, give the teachers guns, and then we can start hearing on the news how teachers who shoot up their students or other teachers. That makes a whole lot of sense. If guns were hard to get, then this would not have happened.

Fact: Women in Texas are 24% more likely to be murdered with a gun than women in other states.

Why? Because of the gun laws are loose in Texas. It’s easy to get a gun. In fact, gun laws are loosening even more in Texas, and things will only get worse and not better because of it. Don’t believe me. Just keep watching the news over the next few years.

Anyways, if you restrict the flow of getting weapons so easily, then logic dictates that less crimes will happen with guns. But of course… you are gun happy, and so…. You will not be able to see the forest from the trees on this topic.
 

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Fornication is not in the actual because it is an English word.
The word fornication is a scam that has caused great harm to Christianity and if it had hands, it would have blood on them.



You do not believe the Bible, you believe a Bible.



LOL you so funny....prove it.



You forget I have been educated. Respected scholars...all that would matter to you is people that worship the KJV.

Again prove that the NASB, NIV, or ESV translations have the word fornication in them. LOL You lose again!
Might as well have a Boeing 747 in the scriptures....

Okay. You can just re-write the Bible whenever you don’t like what it says. I gotcha now. No need to explain anymore.

Besides this not really even the topic of the thread.

So I think it is best we move on involving this dicussion.
 

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Right, give the teachers guns, and then we can start hearing on the news how teachers who shoot up their students or other teachers. That makes a whole lot of sense. If guns were hard to get, then this would not have happened.

Fact: Women in Texas are 24% more likely to be murdered with a gun than women in other states.

Why? Because of the gun laws are loose in Texas. It’s easy to get a gun. In fact, gun laws are loosening even more in Texas, and things will only get worse and not better because of it. Don’t believe me. Just keep watching the news over the next few years.

Anyways, if you restrict the flow of getting weapons so easily, then logic dictates that less crimes will happen with guns. But of course… you are gun happy, and so…. You will not be able to see the forest from the trees on this topic.

The world is a dangerous place....
God, Guns, and Guts!
 

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Okay. You can just re-write the Bible whenever you don’t like what it says. I gotcha now. No need to explain anymore.

For one, I do not write Bibles.
My search for truth means I cannot care what truth is. You cannot understand the scriptures by what you like or do not like.
 

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This question is above my pay grade but you might be able to explain this for me? Here in Australia we get a lot of pro western news so hearing of mass killings like we do makes me wonder, is there is something inheritantly wrong with U.S society? Do other countries suffer as they do? I'm not meaning isolated cases of mass killing but the share number over the past 20 years is crazy.
 
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