The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2

[justbyfaith]

We don't have to defend truth, though many of this board believe that it is their calling...how arrogant is that...as if they could. LOL

I guess that the dog that barks the loudest is truly the one that got hit...

I think that if you know the truth and see that it is under attack, it is certainly not arrogant to want to defend it against the attack.

That we can know the truth is certain, for we see that this is the case in 1 John 2:20.

 

[Malihah]

Truth is defended in proportion to the value that is placed on it. The peace maker and indifferent types place no value on truth so it's not worth defending. They're the ones who are born into whatever faith they have and drag it around like some old shoes. They eventually sell their faith like Esau and are cast off forever.

 

[justbyfaith]

Truth is defended in proportion to the value that is placed on it. The peace maker and indifferent types place no value on truth so it's not worth defending. They're the ones who are born into whatever faith they have and drag it around like some old shoes. They eventually sell their faith like Esau and are cast off forever.

Peace makers do in fact place a value on the truth; for they shall be called the sons of God: and do not the sons of God normally place a value on the truth? I believe that it is the case.

 

[Mungo]

You want substantiation? Read Fifty Years in the Church of Rome and WEEP. Church history substantiates how the church of Rome has been corrupted ever since Constantine. But that is never good enough.

Roman Catholics should keep in mind that when they do not expose and oppose the evils within their church, they become PARTAKERS of their evil deeds. In criminology that would be "accessories after the fact". The same applies to Mormons or any other group calling themselves Christians.

You call that substantiation?
Telling me to read a book?

You have shown me NOTHING!

 

[Mungo]

You want substantiation? Read Fifty Years in the Church of Rome and WEEP.

Found it online - by Charles Chiniquy.

Read a few bits ans was appalled!!!
If that is the sort of stuff your are immersing yourself in then no wonder your understanding of the Catholic Church is so warped.

From Wikipedia
Charles Paschal Telesphore Chiniquy (30 July 1809 – 16 January 1899) was a Canadian Catholic priest who left the Catholic Church and became a Presbyterian minister. He rode the lecture circuit in the United States denouncing the Catholic Church. His themes were that it was pagan, that Catholics worshipped the Virgin Mary, and that its theology was anti-Christian.

He warned of plots by the Vatican to take control of the United States by importing Catholic immigrants from Ireland, Germany, and France, and suggested that the Vatican was behind the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln

He was a priest excommunicated by the Catholic Church. He led a colourful life.

"Chiniquy, then a Roman Catholic priest, left Canada in the wake of a series of scandals."

Chiniquy was suspended, on August 19, 1856, for public insubordination by Bishop Anthony O'Regan, Van de Velde's successor in Chicago. Because he continued to celebrate Mass and administer the other sacraments, he was excommunicated on September 3,

He was admitted as a Presbyterian minister on February 1, 1860.[10] Within two years, Chiniquy, in trouble with the Presbytery of Chicago over his administration of charity funds and a college, according to Elizabeth Ann Kerr McDougall in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography, sought a new connection in order to avoid an expensive presbytery trial.

 

[mjrhealth]

Of course, perhaps what you are trying to say is that there are false churches out there and to join yourself to one of them would in fact amount to idolatry.

All mens churches are Little Harlots, and one is the mother of them all. There is only one true church, and it is not found in a building made by mens hands.

 

[justbyfaith]

All mens churches are Little Harlots, and one is the mother of them all. There is only one true church, and it is not found in a building made by mens hands.

It is, in fact, the body of Christ; and it consists of the people who believe in Him as they gather together on any given Sunday to fellowship over sound doctrine and voicing their praises in thanksgiving to Him.

 

[Giuliano]

Charles Paschal Telesphore Chiniquy (30 July 1809 – 16 January 1899) was a Canadian Catholic priest who left the Catholic Church and became a Presbyterian minister.

Those troublemakers from Canada!

 

[mjrhealth]

it is certainly not arrogant to want to defend it against the attack

We cant defend teh truth, Jesus is the truth and in HIm there is no lie, the best we can do it point people to the one who is the truth, if thy deny Him that is there doing.

 

[justbyfaith]

We cant defend teh truth,

I beg to differ. Apologetics is defined as the art of making a defense of the faith; and certain people are called to that arena.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that @quietthinker has very likely considered this quite carefully.

And is saying what he is saying out of this command:

Eph 4:14, That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15, But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

No - he is perpetuating long-debunked LIES - which makes him as guilty as the original liar.

Remember - liars will have NO part in the Kingdom of Heaven (1 Tim. 1:10, Rev. 22:15) . . .

Isa. 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why do Roman Catholics (generally) deny the truth whenever their church is exposed? And then everything which is negative about this church is called "lies", when it is the exact opposite.

The history of the Jesuits (Society of Jesus) is not a very pleasant one.

There is no question that their primary purpose was to destroy Protestantism, and they were primarily involved with the Counter-Reformation:"The Counter-Reformation is usually understood to have began from Pope Paul III (1534-1549), who authorized the Society of Jesus in 1540, established the Roman Inquisition in 1542, and initiated the Council of Trent in 1545. It continued until the pontificate of Sixtus V (1585-1590). The Counter-Reformation had a strong political ally in Philip II, king of Spain (1556-1598)."
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Counter-Reformation

Anyone who knows anything about the Roman Catholic Inquisition knows that it was evil and devilish to the core, using torture as its primary weapon to "convert" people.

Anyone who knows anything about the Council of Trent understands that it was created to THOROUGHLY OPPOSE biblical doctrines as presented by the Reformers, who were placed under a curse by Rome. You will find the word "anathema" over and over again in this Council (which is still valid for the RCC, and is quoted extensively in their Catechism).

Furthermore the order of Jesuits was ABOLISHED/DISSOLVED on July 21, 1773 by Pope Clement XIV because of their evil deeds. They had already been abolished in France and Spain. And anyone who knows anything about Jesuits knows that they are famous for "Jesuitical casuistry" (a system of logic and morality which offers loopholes for all sorts of wrongdoing). Which means that Jesuits could find a loophole for murder, and they did murder their opponents. Jesuits were involved with political intrigue, subversion, deception, spying, infiltration, assassination, and revolution. No wonder they were driven out of so many countries.

Now a good Catholic Christian should actually REPUDIATE the Jesuits and all their evil deeds. Not try to whitewash historical facts and claim "It is all lies" and "You all hate Catholics".

It's amazing to me how many times you are corrected publicly - yet publicly spew so much ignorance . . .

FIRST of all - there is NO such thing as the "Jesuit Order". That's just YOUR ignorance.
It is a priestly order called, "The Society of Jesus".

Secondly - there was no "Roman Catholic Inquisition". If you are referring to the Spanish Inquisition - that was a matter of State. It was NOT run by the Church in Rome.

Thirdly - the Council of Trent declared anathema certain heresies - and those CATHOLIC Churchmen turned Protestant.
They don't affect Protestants today. They are aimed at CATHOLICS who repudiate their faith.

Finally, Einstein - the Society of Jesus was not "abolished" - as our current Pope is a Jesuit priest.

I suggest you take some time off - do your homework - THEN come back and see if there is anything else you'd like to talk about.
MY guess is that after doing some actual research, we wouldn't hear from you again . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Found it online - by Charles Chiniquy.

Read a few bits ans was appalled!!!
If that is the sort of stuff your are immersing yourself in then no wonder your understanding of the Catholic Church is so warped.

From Wikipedia
Charles Paschal Telesphore Chiniquy (30 July 1809 – 16 January 1899) was a Canadian Catholic priest who left the Catholic Church and became a Presbyterian minister. He rode the lecture circuit in the United States denouncing the Catholic Church. His themes were that it was pagan, that Catholics worshipped the Virgin Mary, and that its theology was anti-Christian.

He warned of plots by the Vatican to take control of the United States by importing Catholic immigrants from Ireland, Germany, and France, and suggested that the Vatican was behind the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln

He was a priest excommunicated by the Catholic Church. He led a colourful life.

"Chiniquy, then a Roman Catholic priest, left Canada in the wake of a series of scandals."

Chiniquy was suspended, on August 19, 1856, for public insubordination by Bishop Anthony O'Regan, Van de Velde's successor in Chicago. Because he continued to celebrate Mass and administer the other sacraments, he was excommunicated on September 3,

He was admitted as a Presbyterian minister on February 1, 1860.[10] Within two years, Chiniquy, in trouble with the Presbytery of Chicago over his administration of charity funds and a college, according to Elizabeth Ann Kerr McDougall in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography, sought a new connection in order to avoid an expensive presbytery trial.

Chiniquy's book has been debunked so many times by Catholics and Protestants alike that it belongs up there with other schlock classics like Hislop's "The Two Babylons" and Boettner's "Roman Catholicism".

"I Had Bigfoot's Baby" has more truth in it . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

No - he is perpetuating long-debunked LIES - which makes him as guilty as the original liar.

Remember - liars will have NO part in the Kingdom of Heaven (1 Tim. 1:10, Rev. 22:15) . . .

Isa. 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

If you think that he is unaware of these passages as a born again believer then you are quite mistaken.

Don't you think that he posted what he posted with these passages in the back of his mind?

Therefore, I would ask, why would anyone deliberately lie about something knowing that it will put them in the lake of fire?

Your statements only substantiate what he is saying therefore...

 

[Malihah]

Peace makers do in fact place a value on the truth; for they shall be called the sons of God: and do not the sons of God normally place a value on the truth? I believe that it is the case.

Peace makers were few and far between 2000 years ago when they were blessed by Christ. Today everyone is a peace maker and lack any courage or moral fiber to stand up to anything or anyone. The world belongs to the ungodly with the weak and pathetic Christians cowering in the shadows like mice to afraid to make a peep.

 

[quietthinker]

I guess you both know what you are talking about, being a part of one.

Replies of this nature give your logic and rational away.....and you do not see it!

 

[quietthinker]

Perhaps your evidence is just fake or fraudulent like the OP.

You want proof yet your reply here is another attempt to lesson the truth of the matter and cast fault on the other.....in so doing the demand for evidence that you ask for is not sincere.....you have established the precedent by which you operate!

 

[Malihah]

SDA have falsely smeared and demonized Catholics for 150 years on an industrial scale and then they wonder why they get the reactions they do.

 

[quietthinker]

SDA have falsely smeared and demonized Catholics for 150 years on an industrial scale and then they wonder why they get the reactions they do.

Those poor Pharisees! Jesus must have given them and unjustified hard time.....of course they were innocent upstanding role models of their society.....how dare Jesus speak so cruelly of them! Just look at the evidence....they tithed mint and cumin....they prayed fervently for widows who had lost their houses.....they washed their hands before every meal and never hung out with questionable characters like tax collectors and prostitutes but it does make me wonder how they caught the woman in the very act of adultery......interestingly enough, they didn't bring her mate.....Ohh yes, he was excusable, you know, men do that all the time.....we won't mention those in religious office.....and of course the rabble which they despised was eagerly sort to add volume to their voice of condemnation in the early hours of the morning when they pulled him in under cover of darkness.....yeahhh, they had their contacts....sound familiar?

The evidence is clear....Jesus was out of order to criticise them.....he should have held his peace and allowed the wealthy to deposit their offerings without highlighting the greater gift of the two mites. He should never have turned water into wine.......to the tune of eighty gallons....I mean, that's just whistling down the alley of any alcoholic.....and feeding thousands for free....don't you get it? any fool can see it'll stuff the economy keeping that up......and making that whip, a deliberate and protracted effort ......what a hypocrite!...what a charlatan!.....he speaks of love yet whips the tail offa those money changers who after all were only doing their job.

Bury him alive....burn him at the faggot.....strangle him at the gallows.....rip out his beard, banish him for eternity....cast him out with a thousand anathemas.....yeahhhh, turn him into the excrement of the world......how dare he threaten the law and order of our well established and traditional holy system!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

It's amazing to me how many times you are corrected publicly - yet publicly spew so much ignorance . . .

FIRST of all - there is NO such thing as the "Jesuit Order". That's just YOUR ignorance.
It is a priestly order called, "The Society of Jesus".

Secondly - there was no "Roman Catholic Inquisition". If you are referring to the Spanish Inquisition - that was a matter of State. It was NOT run by the Church in Rome.

Thirdly - the Council of Trent declared anathema certain heresies - and those CATHOLIC Churchmen turned Protestant.
They don't affect Protestants today. They are aimed at CATHOLICS who repudiate their faith.

Finally, Einstein - the Society of Jesus was not "abolished" - as our current Pope is a Jesuit priest.

I suggest you take some time off - do your homework - THEN come back and see if there is anything else you'd like to talk about.
MY guess is that after doing some actual research, we wouldn't hear from you again . . .

Not smart to bring up the Inquisition and they go by the name Jesuits and they are great people.
Secondly - there was no "Roman Catholic Inquisition". If you are referring to the Spanish Inquisition - that was a matter of State. It was NOT run by the Church in Rome.
Not smart to bring up the topic of Inquisition. I have volumes on it and detailed Catholic history as in which Pope authorized what. I love the Catholics and forgive their history but their history is hideous. Just do not bring it up.