The Last Battle Happens In America!

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Actually the world financial system does and that's what Glenn Beck is speaking of most often.

Beck usually relates his horrors du Jour for the benefit of his right wing American audience.
That's his support base and that's who he plays to. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that he knows where his bread comes from, that's all.
I've been watching his program for a while and have never witnessed anything approaching a detailed explanation of the world financial system. Of course, I could conceivably have missed that ten minute segment.

I do find that Beck's "fusion of information and entertainment" to be at least partly a source of truth.
It is the task of anyone who desires the truth to sift through all the voices and images to come up with a golden nugget now and then.
Rachael Maddow has a little at times as does Bill Maher (minus the atheist rants of course).

Ahh so the last 60 years are representative for the last 2000? Gotcha.

Not representative at all. Back to ya.

I do disagree with what you say about Israel though. I don't spiritualize Israel though but I understand it as more than a flesh and blood national kingdom (which is never how it started out).
The "Israel is Special" supporters like yourself start out, in my opinion, on flawed starting assumptions of who exactly God created a covenant with.

Glad to hear that you don't spiritualize Israel. Unfortunately the problem with certain Christian ideologies is that they MUST. Hence the anti-semitic flavor of dispensationalist ideology that falters and is forced to conjure up something called a 'spiritual Israel' (the church).

Regardless of how Israel started out in the modern era, it is here and it is a reality. One is forced to deal with that in real world terms. If one is to believe that Jews had anything to do in the Bible other than as fictional characters, then one has to deal with that as well.

I do not understand your reference to 'flawed assumptions' about the unique character of the nation of Israel both historical and modern.

Additionally, I do not understand your reference to the divine covenant being created with someone or something other than ancient Israel and/or how that relates to the special status of Israel before God either then or now. Then again perhaps you refer to the bastard son of Abraham and the equally illegitimate religion of Islam as well as their prophet who took dictation for its convoluted holy book from demons (by his own admission).

 

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Armageddon is a spiritual war, one being waged now but Gog is, I believe, literal! Where will it take place? America...Russia invading by way of Alaska.

Back to the OP.....the last battle mentioned in the Bible will not happen in America, but I do believe that the battles that are to come here will preceed those horriffic events in the Holy Land.

America must be removed from the global stage before the enemies of Israel will dare to execute their designs against the apple of God's eye. Only then can they hope to succeed in killing every Jew in Palestine.

America is already coming apart at the seams. It is obvious to the most casual observer. The only glue still holding the nation together is a very shakey Federal dollar and the fear of an ever weaker, over extended, bloated and self-important military.

Many Americans refuse to believe that doom approaches. We are like a deer in the headlights of a speeding semi. None dare admit that such a thing could happen, yet there are many who are working, hoping and forming their plans against us.

Some Americans recognize the danger, but none are acting in a coherent, logical, wise manner to prevent it. We have been hypnotized into inaction by memories of faded glory and fantasies of a national future that will never be realized. Any efforts which could be made to prevent it are paralyed by constant bickering at every level of society.

What kind of war might we see in America? Not an invasion from without, but a battle within. All the elements are present for a second civil war.

One element is secession.
You've heard the rumor of it. State leaders from Hawaii, to Idaho to Texas to Georgia to Vermont and more are calling for a separation from the oppression of the Federal government. Their justification is a lack of constitutional law and their instigation is nagging debt.

One element is ethnic warfare.
Mexico has boasted that it will take back the south west. The Federal government does more to aggravate the situation than to prevent it or solve it. In fact, it does appear to many that certain groups in the government mean to benefit by it.

Our cities and suburbs have already polarized into ethnic settlements. Integration of the 1960's is evaporating before our eyes. Religious leaders of every persuasion call for prosperity or demand ethnic rights, few promote the gospel except in passing references.

Immigrants new to America do not share the white man's guilt toward black Americans, adding to the tension between groups. The issue is no longer a clearly defined struggle between black and white. The great American melting pot has broken and its ingredients are separating like oil and water.

Other elements are the weak dollar and the bloated military.
Despite warnings from every source imaginable (and a few that aren't), the Federal government and our financial 'wizards' are hell-bent on contining toward financial ruin. When the dollar collapses, nothing will remain to hold the states together in union and ethnic groups from robbing one another.

The American military continues to escalate its global activity and increase its war chest of material. For what? We already have a military machine that is larger than the next fifteen countries combined and twelve of them are our allies.

The greatest saddest thing of all is that the American people, once humble and god fearing, have spurned the Almighty and the help only He can administer.
We are walking, no RUNNING, into national disaster, blindly quoting myths and slogans all the way in the false pretense that 'it can't happen here'.

No sir, the last battle will not be in America, but for all intents and purposes it might just as well be.

 

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In response to some of the comments made on this thread.

Veteran said,

If you don't know who America is represented by in God's Word, then I can understand how you wouldn't understand the OP. Christian America is definitely not the Revelation Babylon, though that's what Christ's enemies want us to think. It's the pagan elements in America, and in all nations... that represent the endtime Babylon, and especially with fallen Jerusalem as their head city (in the future tribulation). That's why our Lord linked the Revelation Babylon harlot with a certain city.

Beause a person believes something different doesn't mean they are Christ enemies. If that were the case we would all be enemies of Christ.

Babylon is Babylon. It has always been associated with false religion or literal Babylon. Babylon the Great or end-time Babylon isn't descriptive of the pagan elements in the world. The pagan elements of the world are not what fills the harlots cup and there's no reason to assume that in any passage. If you are wrong on your assertion about Babylon, which you are, does that make you an enemy of Christ? No it doesn't

The harlot is used interchangeably with "that great city'. Jerusalem becomes a harlot when the man of sin authenticates himself in the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque. East Jerusalem is already a harlot since the Dome complex is built upon God's only declared piece of real estate on the planet. When the man of sin arrives and rules his kingdom from there and continues to encourage Muslim's to engage in worldwide holy war filling the harlots cup with the abominations of the earth...then the city becomes the harlot or Revelation 17 for sure.

Ezekiel 38 reveals Russia allied with Islam against Israel, and WHERE can we see that working today? In the state of Israel in the holy land only? No, it's happenning in the Christian west too! There's probably more Jews in America than in the middleast today, and that's something to think about.

Russia or Moscow isn't mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39. And Russia isn't allied with Islam. Russia as well as the US is allied with Islamic regimes, not the religion of Islam itself! Why would Russia align itself with a religion that blows up Russian grade schools! etc.

Walking in grace said,

It is also absolutely certain that Babylon the Great of Revelation is "The World-wide Empire of False Religion" (psueudo-christian and non-christian religion inclusive). And its teachers are the "Man of Sin", which is why they work so hard to try to show him not to so be.

This seems to be based on the assumption of a unified one world religion. There's not one verse that supports a one world religion or world-wide empire of false religion. That idea is promoted by the experts and is baseless and unfounded in scripture, and can easily be debunked.

TexUs said,

My point was simply that Israel is a very small player on the world stage right now. Those are the facts. The US controls EVERYTHING. China is a patient dog waiting to take over. Israel isn't in the picture.
But, futurists that like to think Israel is still special, must maintain that Israel is central and you can't get more ill informed than that. Ignoring Biblical basis, nobody in their right mind would think Israel is at the center of the world right now.

The question isn't who is the center of the world but who is the center of bible prophecy. Israel is the focal point of bible prophecy. It is God's time piece. Israel and esp. East Jerusalem is what bible prophecy is centered around. Christian's tend to believe in a global dictator and one world religion but most of the events mentioned in prophecy are limited to the Middle-East. Natural disasters etc. do have worldwide implications but Islam's goal is to dominate the world through demographics and terrorism and it's Islam that will bring the world into tribulation.

"Not one stone on top of the other" is another such figurative explanation that Jerusalem would fall. It did.

How can that be when Christ was specifically speaking about the temple and the stones?

And again, many times it's in the Bible Christ talked in both parables and symbolically. I'm saying this is another such case.
Sorry but any Christian should have the sense to know that this isn't a parable or symbolic.

Matthew 24:1 　¶And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 　And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

You need to take bible prophecy more serious than that! This isn't a parable or a metaphor.

tomwebster said,

Have you seen the Wailing Wall with the big stones, one upon the other? Does it match Christ's description?

I think the prophecy that not one stone will be standing upon one another isn't completely fulfilled yet. And being that I don't see the need of a temple being rebuilt for any end-time prophecies to pass, I think the 'sacrifice that shall cease' could be the cessation of prayers etc. at the Western Wall.

So much about bible prophecy has been played up, especially by pretribulationist who interpret God's Word to support what they already believe instead of inspiring them to understand God's Prophetic Word.

Veteran said,

What Christ was talking about in Matt.24 of not one stone standing upon another is about all the Bible prophecies about this...
So it truly is a sign of Biblical ignorance with not recognizing all the Bible prophecy He gave about that coming event at His future return

How do you come up with this stuff? Isn't Matthew 24:1 simple enough to understand for some of you people? Christ was specific when talking about the temple stones.

The temple stones 'one upon another' is a prophecy all of it's own. And it could be one of the first events that occur at the next invasion of Israel since it is what Christ mentioned first.

You're just putting out hot air that really doesn't make sense, and proves nothing that you intend. What you've actually done is confirm how that Rev.6:14-17 event IS linked with the Matt.24:1-3 prophecy Christ gave about a time when not one stone would be standing upon another in Jerusalem at His second coming,

I suppose the temple stones could be thrown down at the earthquake of Rev. 6:12, I tend to think the Muslim's do it during the next invasion of Israel and the two verses you quote aren't linked at all.

 

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In response to some of the comments made on this thread.

Beause a person believes something different doesn't mean they are Christ enemies. If that were the case we would all be enemies of Christ.

Pagans believe something different than Christians, so it sounds like you're coming to the defense of pagans. Not all pagans hate Christ Jesus. Do you believe like pagans do, that there are many paths to the same God? Do you believe there are other paths to Salvation other than Jesus Christ per The Gospel?

Babylon is Babylon. It has always been associated with false religion or literal Babylon. Babylon the Great or end-time Babylon isn't descriptive of the pagan elements in the world. The pagan elements of the world are not what fills the harlots cup and there's no reason to assume that in any passage. If you are wrong on your assertion about Babylon, which you are, does that make you an enemy of Christ? No it doesn't

The start of pagan belief and worship of false gods began in ancient Sumer-Babylon. That's where false worship of Baal began. Babylon's name comes from the word 'babel', which means 'confusion'. Baalism was then spread to other reigions, like Canaan, Egypt, Greece, Asia, Asia Minor, Rome, etc., pretty much the known world then. It's still practiced today, even in the West, which includes pagans too. So how is that not descriptive of the pagan elements in the world? Once again, sounds like you're trying to defend pagans and their false beliefs, right here on a Christian forum.

(What Mohammed did was to politically and militarily join an amalgamation of Ishmael's (Arab) history of pagan god worship into one religion. Ishmael's people worshipped the pagan gods of Molech, Chemosh, and Ashtoreth, the goddess of the ancient Syria and Phonecians with its moon symbol. A black star was the sign of Chemosh, and a black stone a representation of Chemosh by the Arabs. The pagan gods Molech and Chemosh required human sacrifice. Isn't that how Islamic fundamental radicals still worship those pagan gods by blowing themselves and others up? Each Muslim is to make a pilgramage to Mecca once in their lifetime and march around the black stone of Mecca quoting verses from the Koran.)

So how is that pagan belief that is "something different" not against Christ? Following any other belief than on The Father and His Son Jesus Christ is... paganism, and is of the spirit of antichrist. That includes the many mystical secret societies that exist in the west also, which they recognize all... religious beliefs as only different paths to God. Is that really what you've come here to push, ideas of Ecumenicalism of joining all religions as one?

The harlot is used interchangeably with "that great city'. Jerusalem becomes a harlot when the man of sin authenticates himself in the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque.

You're inferring the Islamic Dome of the Rock that sits on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is the "temple of God" which Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. Since when did God's temple in Jerusalem's history become an Islamic Mosque?!?

Russia or Moscow isn't mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39. And Russia isn't allied with Islam. Russia as well as the US is allied with Islamic regimes, not the religion of Islam itself! Why would Russia align itself with a religion that blows up Russian grade schools! etc.

The name 'Russia' is not specifically named in Ezek.38, but its areas are...

TUBAL: Gen. 10:2; 1 Chr. 1:5; Isa. 56:19. Tubal, Javan, and Meshech are the associated sons of Japheth. They brought slaves (beautiful ones abounded in the Euxine coasts, and were traded in by the Cappadocians: Polyb. 4:38, section 4) and copper vessels to the Phoenician markets (copper and metals of the neighbouring Mossynaeci and Chalybes were famed, and copper mines were at Chalvar in Armenia): Ezek 27:13; nations of the north (Ezek 32:26; 38:2-3,15; 39:1-2). Gog is their chief prince. Tubal answers to the Tibareni, as Meshech to the Moschi; close to one another, on the northern coast of Asia Minor, about the river Melanthius (Melet Irmak), in Herodotus' and Xenophon's days; previously among the most powerful races. The Assyrian monarchs from 1100 to 700 B.C. were often warring with the Muskai and Tuplai, E. of the Taurus range, and occupying the region afterward called Cappadocia, Rawlinson (Herodotus i. 535) makes them Turaniaus (the scholiast on Apollonius Rhodius, ii. 1010, calls them Scythians) who spread over the entire region between the Mediterranean and India, the Persian gulf and Caucasus. (from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1998 by Biblesoft)

Russia today is especially allied with Syria, Iran, Libya, and radical Islamic terrorist groups like Al Quieda and Hamas in Lebanon, radical Muslims in Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan, Yemen, etc., all against Israel and the Christian West.

This seems to be based on the assumption of a unified one world religion. There's not one verse that supports a one world religion or world-wide empire of false religion. That idea is promoted by the experts and is baseless and unfounded in scripture, and can easily be debunked.

Revelation 13 is all about it, including the institution of the mark of the beast. It's also about the "another beast" that is to come in like a lamb, but speaking as the dragon, working great signs and miracles to deceive with (WHICH IS ABOUT RELIGION), setting up an image to the beast for ALL the world to worship. It's those allied with the ones who intend to help setup and support that Rev.13 beast worship which would fervently deny that Scripture as written.

The question isn't who is the center of the world but who is the center of bible prophecy. Israel is the focal point of bible prophecy. It is God's time piece. Israel and esp. East Jerusalem is what bible prophecy is centered around. Christian's tend to believe in a global dictator and one world religion but most of the events mentioned in prophecy are limited to the Middle-East. Natural disasters etc. do have worldwide implications but Islam's goal is to dominate the world through demographics and terrorism and it's Islam that will bring the world into tribulation.

You use the word "Christians" like you don't claim to be among them. So, are you a Christian? Do you believe Jesus Christ is the only Way of Salvation?

 

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Pagans believe something different than Christians, so it sounds like you're coming to the defense of pagans. Not all pagans hate Christ Jesus. Do you believe like pagans do, that there are many paths to the same God? Do you believe there are other paths to Salvation other than Jesus Christ per The Gospel?

Can you read a reply and get it right for once without twisting things around and misquoting people? I've noticed that you often do that.

The start of pagan belief and worship of false gods began in ancient Sumer-Babylon. That's where false worship of Baal began. Babylon's name comes from the word 'babel', which means 'confusion'. Baalism was then spread to other reigions, like Canaan, Egypt, Greece, Asia, Asia Minor, Rome, etc., pretty much the known world then. It's still practiced today, even in the West, which includes pagans too. So how is that not descriptive of the pagan elements in the world? Once again, sounds like you're trying to defend pagans and their false beliefs, right here on a Christian forum.

Listen buddy. Stop misquoting me and repent of your method of dissension. You're getting to the point of being an offensive and ignorant idiot! STOP IT and grow up!

(What Mohammed did was to politically and militarily join an amalgamation of Ishmael's (Arab) history of pagan god worship into one religion. Ishmael's people worshipped the pagan gods of Molech, Chemosh, and Ashtoreth, the goddess of the ancient Syria and Phonecians with its moon symbol. A black star was the sign of Chemosh, and a black stone a representation of Chemosh by the Arabs. The pagan gods Molech and Chemosh required human sacrifice. Isn't that how Islamic fundamental radicals still worship those pagan gods by blowing themselves and others up? Each Muslim is to make a pilgramage to Mecca once in their lifetime and march around the black stone of Mecca quoting verses from the Koran.)

So how is that pagan belief that is "something different" not against Christ? Following any other belief than on The Father and His Son Jesus Christ is... paganism, and is of the spirit of antichrist. That includes the many mystical secret societies that exist in the west also, which they recognize all... religious beliefs as only different paths to God. Is that really what you've come here to push, ideas of Ecumenicalism of joining all religions as one?

You should stop the plagerism too!

You're going off into all sorts of diretions trying to prove your point. Every think of staying focused on scripture to prove your point rather than cop an attitude?

Listen again. You're accusing me again of something I didn't say and something I don't believe. You need to stop with the false accusations. But like I said. Your bad attitude of accusations and judgementalism is typical of people who can't refute what has been proven wrong.

Stop misquoting. Stop accusing. Stop being judgemental. Grow up. Be a man and take the heat! Or get out of the kitchen!

You're inferring the Islamic Dome of the Rock that sits on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is the "temple of God" which Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. Since when did God's temple in Jerusalem's history become an Islamic Mosque?!?

I am infering that the temple, which is the same word (shrine) for temple in the book of Acts that the idol stood in, is the 'holy place' mentioned by Daniel.

The name 'Russia' is not specifically named in Ezek.38, but its areas are...

TUBAL: Gen. 10:2; 1 Chr. 1:5; Isa. 56:19. Tubal, Javan, and Meshech are the associated sons of Japheth. They brought slaves (beautiful ones abounded in the Euxine coasts, and were traded in by the Cappadocians: Polyb. 4:38, section 4) and copper vessels to the Phoenician markets (copper and metals of the neighbouring Mossynaeci and Chalybes were famed, and copper mines were at Chalvar in Armenia): Ezek 27:13; nations of the north (Ezek 32:26; 38:2-3,15; 39:1-2). Gog is their chief prince. Tubal answers to the Tibareni, as Meshech to the Moschi; close to one another, on the northern coast of Asia Minor, about the river Melanthius (Melet Irmak), in Herodotus' and Xenophon's days; previously among the most powerful races. The Assyrian monarchs from 1100 to 700 B.C. were often warring with the Muskai and Tuplai, E. of the Taurus range, and occupying the region afterward called Cappadocia, Rawlinson (Herodotus i. 535) makes them Turaniaus (the scholiast on Apollonius Rhodius, ii. 1010, calls them Scythians) who spread over the entire region between the Mediterranean and India, the Persian gulf and Caucasus. (from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright ©1998 by Biblesoft)

Russia today is especially allied with Syria, Iran, Libya, and radical Islamic terrorist groups like Al Quieda and Hamas in Lebanon, radical Muslims in Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan, Yemen, etc., all against Israel and the Christian West.

You really ought to stop the plagerism and give a link instead. Russia isn't mentioned in Ezekiel and neither is Moscow!

Take the time to learn something...http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/eschatology/ezekiel.htm

Revelation 13 is all about it, including the institution of the mark of the beast. It's also about the "another beast" that is to come in like a lamb, but speaking as the dragon, working great signs and miracles to deceive with (WHICH IS ABOUT RELIGION), setting up an image to the beast for ALL the world to worship. It's those allied with the ones who intend to help setup and support that Rev.13 beast worship which would fervently deny that Scripture as written.

You say that Revelation 13 is all about a one world religion. Here's a challenge for you.

Tell me just what it is in the chapter that implies a one world religion? Your reply should remain within the text of the two horned beast. Only the followers of the beast within his kingdom will worship him and the image. However, since the Muslim's worldwide bow toward Mecca 5 times a day and the religion of the beast is Islam. And since the man of sin will change the times Muslim's worship and laws of how to worship, that worship may well be worldwide. The word worship in the book of Revelation is 'proskyneo' which means to lay prostrate with the forehead to the ground!

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G4352&t=KJV

1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence

2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence

3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication

You use the word "Christians" like you don't claim to be among them. So, are you a Christian? Do you believe Jesus Christ is the only Way of Salvation?

These kind of offensive comments are going to stop! Lke I said. They usually come from people who have been outdone!

 

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Can you read a reply and get it right for once without twisting things around and misquoting people? I've noticed that you often do that.


Listen buddy. Stop misquoting me and repent of your method of dissension. You're getting to the point of being an offensive and ignorant idiot! STOP IT and grow up!


You should stop the plagerism too!

Your swipes at me are unfounded, especially your false plagarism claims.

All I want to know is, do you believe that belief on The Saviour Jesus Christ is the ONLY path to Salvation?

And...

Do you profess to be a Christian?