The Last Supper !

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Truth,

On what day of the month do you say the disciples asked the Messiah where He wanted them to go and prepare the Passover?

"On the head-first day they removed leaven on and killed the passover on" = Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 John 13:1; 18:28; 19:14 = "ON THE FOURTEENTH day of the First Month" = Exodus 12:6,15a Leviticus 23:5 et al.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I will re-read the time line to be sure, But when Jesus came into the City, on the Donkey, it was the 10th day of the month. Every year from the Passover in Egypt this was the day to choose the Passover Lamb. So just to try to answer the Question it was probably before His Triumphal Entry.

Yes, it is not in English; but that is better, so you can read the KJV for the text, but here's 'the timeline'... See if you find flaws, please...

B) Die Laaste Week (Volgorde volgens dae en ure)
Laaste Week: Palm-Sondag : Intog in Jerusalem : 5 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 10
“Tiende dag van die Eerste Maand”
Eksodus 12:3 Esegiël 40:1 “Beendag”
Johannes 12:12-19 “die volgende môre” (50)
= Markus 11:1-11 Betanië; Jerusalem ingegaan; tempel ingegaan; laat uit na Betanië (53)
= Matteus 21:1-11 Betfage; Jerusalem in (54)
= Lukas 19:28-44 Betfage en Betanië; Jerusalem in (56)

Laaste Week: Maandag : 4 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 11
Markus 11:12-14 “Die oggend ... van Betanië af ... vyeboom” (59)
= Matteus 21:18,19 “na die stad ... vyeboom” (60)
// Lukas 21:29-33 “Kyk na die vyeboom (60)
Markus 11:15-17 “in die tempel in ... dié uit te jaag wat koop” (61)
= Matteus 21:12-14 “in die tempel ingegaan en almal uitgegooi wat” (62)
= Lukas 19:45,46 “in die tempel ingegaan handelaars uitjaag” (62)
= Matteus 21:15-17 “kinders wat uitroep in die tempel” (63)
= Johannes 12:20-26 “Daar was sekere Grieke” (63)
Markus 11:18 “uitgewerk hoe hulle Hom kon doodmaak” (65)
= Lukas 19:47,48 “geknoei om Hom dood te maak” (65)
Markus 11:19 “Toe dit laat geword het, het Hy uit die stad gegaan” (66)
= Matteus 21:17 “uitgegaan buite die stad” (66)

Laaste Week: Dinsdag : 3 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 12
PREDIKING (66)
Markus 11:20,21 “Vroeg in die môre toe hulle weer verbykom, sien hulle vyeboom verdroog”
Matteus 21:20 “Toe die dissipels dit sien” (66)
Markus 11:22,23 “moet geloof in God hê!...vir hierdie berg sou sê” (67)
Matteus 21:21,22,45,46 “As julle geloof het … vir die berg kon sê” (67)
Markus 11:27,28 “in die tempel watse gesag” (68)
= Matteus 21:23-25 “Toe Hy die tempel inkom... watter gesag” (68)
= Lukas 20:1-8 “op een van Daardie Dae ... watter gesag” (69)
Markus 12:35-37 “in die tempel … die Gesalfde, Seun van Dawid” (71)
= Matteus 22:23;41-46 “Op Daardie Selfde Dag het Sadduseërs Hom genader” (71)
= Matteus 24:1-3 “uit die tempel ... geboue” (73)
= Matteus 26:1-2 “oor twee dae ...gekruisig” (73)
= Johannes 12:27-36 “Nou is my siel ontsteld, omrede en deur hierdie uur” (74)
= Lukas 21:34-38 “Dit was een van Daardie Dae wat Hy in die tempel geleer” (76)

Laaste Week: Woensdag : 2 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 13
Markus 14:1,2 “oor twee dae Feesdae” “gesoek hoe ... nie op Fees nie” (76)
= Matteus 26:3-5 “hou raad ... nie op Fees nie” (77)
= Lukas 22:1,2 “fees naby” priesters “bereken” (77)
Markus14:3-9 “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof” (78)
= Matteus 26:6-13 “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof” (79)
Markus 14:10,11 “Judas na hoëpriesters ... belowe hom geld” (81)
= Matteus 26:14-16 “Judas ... belowe geld” (81)
= Lukas 22:3-6 “satan in Judas ... belowe geld” (81)
= Johannes 12:37-50 “My verwerp ... ontvang nie my woorde nie” (82)

C) Laaste Week : “DRIE DAE” … in kort … (86)

Donderdag : Abib 14 was 1 dag “voor” (Vrydag) Abib 15
Eksodus 12:15a “die hoof eerste dag wanneer suurdeeg verwyder / ontsuurdeeg”
Markus 14:12—15:41 “op die eerste dag wanneer hulle altyd die pasga geslag het”
= 2Kronieke 35:4,6,10,14 “pasga voorberei … pasga geslag”
= Levitikus 23:22,10 “wanneer kanthoeke oes ... eerste gerf bring”
= Johannes 13:1—19:30 “voor die fees ... sy uur ... dit was nag ...”
= Lukas 22:7—23:49 “wanneer hulle die pasga moet geslag het”
= Markus 14:2 “nie op die fees nie”
= Matteus 26:5 “nie op die fees nie”
= Johannes 19:14-30 “Die Voorbereiding van die Pasga”
= Matteus 26:17—27:56 “die eerste dag suurdeeg verwyder / sonder suurdeeg”
Markus 14:12b “dat ons mag voorberei”
= Johannes 12:32,34; 8:28 “die Seun van die Mens verhoog”
= 1Korintiërs 11:23 "die nag waarin die Here verraai was"
= Johannes 16:32 “die uur ... julle uitmekaar gejaag … elkeen van julle”

Vrydag : Abib 15 (Donderdagnag en Vrydag dag) (190)
Eksodus 12:15, 8, Tweede “Eerste Dag geen ongesuurde brood” ... “eet in die nag”
“Feesdag-sabbat” van Pasga Eksodus 12:15,17,18,42,51
Johannes 19:31-42 “het Voorbereiding geword ... Daardie Dag was groot dag sabbat”
Markus 15:42-47 “Daar dit al aand was vandat Die Voorbereiding wat die Voor-Sabbat is, begin het”
= Johannes 19:39 “By die Eerste Nag”
= Matteus 27:57-61b
= Lukas 23:50-56a

Sabbat : Abib 16 (Vrydagnag en Saterdag dag) (190)
Lukas 23:56b Die vroue het die Sabbat begin rus
Dag drie nag en dag : “die Sabbat” [Deuterenomium 5:12-15]
Dag drie nag en dag :
Lukas 23:56b “die vroue het die Sabbat begin rus” (199)
Dag drie, dag: “Die oggend wat ná die Voorbereiding is” : “Graf verseël vir die derde dag”
Matteus 28:5a (199)
Matteus 27:62-66 (199)
Dag drie: Die engel van die Here en die OPSTANDING
Matteus 28:1-4 (201)
Dag drie: “Baie heiliges”
Matteus 27:52b (202)
Dag drie: “Lydingsfees van Jawe”-“Opstandingsfees” [Levitikus 23:11b-15]
Efesiërs 1:18-23 (202)
Hebreërs 4:4 [Eks31:17] (202)
Kolosensiërs 2:12-19 (202)

 

[rstrats]

Truth,
re: "I did not say that the 13th was the first day of unleavened Bread."

So what day of the month was it when the Messiah was asked where He wanted to eat the Passover?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Read the Scriptures, Please, Before the Passover, and supper was ended, at the end of 13th at sundown, would be the Day of preparation, this was not a Sabbath, but the people would prepare for Passover, then at the time between the evenings they would Kill the Lamb and eat it between the even and darkness, then they would not do any work, and they would not do any buying, and they would not do any commerce, because it was a High Sabbath, read the Scriptures,the Disciples wondered if Jesus sent Judas to buy for the Passover, or to give to the poor. Then and to this day you can nether Buy or sell on Passover, and if you wanted to give to the poor, it would have had to be before the High Sabbath!

Why 'if you wanted to give to the poor, it would have had to be before the High Sabbath'? Would it not rather be on, 'the High Sabbath'?

In any case, that's not the issue. What the issue is here, is not that 'they would not do any work, and they would not do any buying, and they would not do any commerce, because it was a High Sabbath'. Read the Scriptures, it says they would not do any "servile", that is, hard work, the work serfs would normally do. But the service, of "this, That Day Solemnly to be observed", WENT ON; not regardless but exactly regarding, its religious importance of duties.

But yes, one would rather do and buy all necessary stuff for the great day of the passover-sabbath, before it, surely, IF ONE KNEW what would be needed. But no one expected to have a burial this time. Although every Jew knew that the great day of the passover-sabbath was the day to EAT--and to burn to ashes, what remained--which mirrored forth the BURIAL of the Lamb of God. But no Jew or Israelite then, knew, or, understood, or, believed this ABOUT JESUS!

Again, in any case, what did the Jews supposedly 'work'? They all did nothing, except Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus who worked exactly as was "the custom of the Jews is to BURY", specifically, according to the Torah's passover prescriptions concerning "this selfsame Whole-Day BONE-DAY", "That Day great-day-of-sabbath" and “Feast Day” of the Passover of Yahweh “on the fifteenth day of the First Month” the last time “ONCE FOR ALL”.

 

[twinc]

Why 'if you wanted to give to the poor, it would have had to be before the High Sabbath'? Would it not rather be on, 'the High Sabbath'?

In any case, that's not the issue. What the issue is here, is not that 'they would not do any work, and they would not do any buying, and they would not do any commerce, because it was a High Sabbath'. Read the Scriptures, it says they would not do any "servile", that is, hard work, the work serves would normally do. But the service, of "this, That Day Solemnly to be observed", WENT ON; not regardless but exactly regarding, its religious importance of duties.

But yes, one would rather do and buy all necessary stuff for the great day of the passover-sabbath, before it, surely, IF ONE KNEW what would be needed. But no one expected to have a burial this time. Although every Jew knew that the great day of the passover-sabbath was the day to EAT--and to burn to ashes, what remained--which mirrored forth the BURIAL of the Lamb of God. But no Jew or Israelite then, knew, or, understood, or, believed this ABOUT JESUS!

Again, in any case, what did the Jews supposedly 'work'? They all did nothing, except Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus who worked exactly as was "the custom of the Jews is to BURY", specifically, according to the Torah's passover prescriptions concerning "this selfsame Whole-Day BONE-DAY", "That Day great-day-of-sabbath" and “Feast Day” of the Passover of Yahweh “on the fifteenth day of the First Month” the last time “ONCE FOR ALL”.

the last suppedr it seems was not the Passover feast for there were no women present - it seems it was an agape feast and the appointment of the male priesthood imho - twinc

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

the last suppedr it seems was not the Passover feast for there were no women present - it seems it was an agape feast and the appointment of the male priesthood imho - twinc

You're right the Last Supper was not the passover Feast! I don't think though it was an 'agape feast', 'agape feasts' having originated, if at all, much later in Christianity. 'Agape feasts' did not come from the OT times either.

And 'appointment of the male priesthood' seems imo not to have been relevant; Jesus' was "High Priest after the order of Everlasting Life", no Mosaic Law 'appointed' priesthood.

The Last Supper actually was the first "Lord Jesus' Supper", new and unique to remember He offered up Himself the Sacrifice of the Passover of Yahweh.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Truth,
re: "I did not say that the 13th was the first day of unleavened Bread."

So what day of the month was it when the Messiah was asked where He wanted to eat the Passover?

The FOUR Gospels tell which day of the month of the year it was. It was “the fourteenth day of the First Month” and “evening after” sunset, beginning. Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 John 13:1; 18:28; 19:14. Leviticus 23:5 Exodus 12:6,8,15.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I care about truth, that's why! I have been in discussion about the passion week recently because I believe my points are the truth .

So is truth not that important?

As for what days are services to be held.... Any day is fine. Even Sunday... In the Bible they had them on Sundays...

Is truth not important? It is. Therefore I am under obligation by Truth to tell you, there is one - 1 phrase in the NT that implies incidentally and not in the least purposely, that believers 'held service' on a Sunday, once, ever, viz., in the NT. I'm not like you referring to 'the Bible', because in the OT there was no single service recorded 'on Sundays'.

That's better... 'the truth'.

Why is it good, saved, truth loving Christ people, believe the LIE when it comes to the Christian Day for Congregational worship?! God only knows why, and we WILL learn why sooner or later in our own lives if we are Bible studying children of our dear Father and Lord Jesus Christ in heaven.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I believe it took place, from early afternoon until dark, starting on the 13th of Nisan, which changed to the 14th after sundown, which is preparation Day for the Passover!

To claim this you must completely rely on your understanding of "evening" mentioned in Mark 14:12/17 Matthew 26:17/20 Luke 22:7/14 John 13:30b as if 'from early afternoon until dark'. But it makes no sense either logically or historically in any Gospel because they read, "When HAD come the day of removing leaven (from your houses / land) - 'EHLTHEN heh hehmera tohn A-dzumohn', 'ehlthen' Aorist in Greek Past Perfect in English, Jesus "sent Peter and John", which 100% correctly and definitively indicates it was ON That Day 'the 14th after sundown, which is preparation Day for the Passover!', not 'early afternoon' before it 'on the 13th of Nisan'.
It was 'the 14th after sundown, which is preparation Day for the Passover!' from the first word of the sentence, "When HAD come the day ...".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Evening. The eve of the cross.

That's correct!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

These questions are always silly 'trick' questions...which, no matter what a person answers they are always told they are wrong.
Just fun and games to old twinc ....

And this is your most able answer to these 'silly 'trick' questions'. Not convincing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

mostly wrong but not always, so whose fault is that - btw is fish good to eat at supper time - notice it is found on the table in the
Da Vinci painting - twinc

Have you noticed there is no grail in front of Jesus?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Matthew 26:17 - "Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"

Was this asked sometime during the night of the 13th of the month or was it asked sometime during the night of the 14th of the month? Or was it some other time?

'This', "Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread", 'rstrats' you very well know because I have told you it many times before, was NEVER 'asked' at any time. And not only because I have told you, but because you have quoted the reason why not, yourself!

It does not answer anything to evade the only answer to your own question-supposed to be, it is just your method to obtrude your error for fact.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I think the Question should be!!!!!! was it the Last Supper or was IT a Passover Supper??????????????

Thank God someone has seen some light.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

and this leads to what, just more arguements over nothing, how teh devil loves it... all this will save what....

This led to the biggest bigotry the world has ever fallen for, the Catholic satanic fraud of EASTER and 'resurrection SUNDAY'. And how the devil loves it!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Well it might bring a resolve to the Chronology that lead from death, to burial, and Resurrection, It might bring people back to the Sabbath, when they realize that He was raised at the End of a Sabbath, and not on the Day of First Fruits, and it just might end 1700 years of a lie established by Constantine, a Roman Emperor, who worshiped the god of the sun, thus Sunday, when the Forth Commandment went South.

The chronology that led from death, to burial, and Resurrection, was resolved once for all when "Christ according to the (Passover-of-Yahweh) Scriptures the third day ROSE" and this TRUTH in fact is bringing Jesus Christ Our Passover Lamb of God to a few people who brings them back to the Sabbath "Day-of-the-Lord" Jesus "Christ, the Substance of eating and drinking of Sabbaths' Feast", when they realise that He was RAISED First Sheaf of the firstfruits from the dead "IN the fullness of the SABBATH DAY before the First Day of the week".
So yes, it just might end centuries of a lie established by the Catholic Christian Church, who worshipped the sun, and thus its day, Sunday, when the truth not only of, but about Christ's Resurrection from the dead "on the day The Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE BY THE SON IN THESE LAST DAYS", is being exposed to every Christian with eyes given to see...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Well it might bring a resolve to the Chronology that lead from death, to burial, and Resurrection, It might bring people back to the Sabbath, when they realize that He was raised at the End of a Sabbath, and not on the Day of First Fruits, and it just might end 1700 years of a lie established by Constantine, a Roman Emperor, who worshiped the god of the sun, thus Sunday,

Here is your, challenge, to explain according to and with Scripture, your 'resolve to the Chronology that lead from death, to burial, and Resurrection',
DOES IT ALLOW FOR AND NEED AND APPLY the, "three days THICK darkness" of "That Day The Selfsame Whole-day BONE-DAY" ['etsem yom'] of the Passover of Yahweh SCRIPTURES?

In other words, summarized, does your ‘resolve’ provide for the whole day for the BURIAL of the body of the Lord Jesus, or do you like the anti-Christ does in order to get a Sunday-resurrection, force Crucifixion and Burial to share the selfsame day?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

no it will not it will just lead to more arguements. Christ died. Christ Rose again, according to the scriptures not mens reasoning, Christ Lives He is not dead, the work was done 25000 years ago, and men still bicker and argue over "who is right" or as teh bible puts it,

Luk 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

We are suppose to be Led by the Spirit in today, but christians are still living by teh flesh in the past.

Get over it, it is finished. It was done 2500 years ago on teh cross.

To all charismatics,
'Spirit of truth' -- not your spirit conceited for God's!

Get it over, Paul led by the Holy Spirit WROTE, "Christ according to the SCRIPTURES the third day ROSE". You cannot get over it, you must get through it and the Only Way through it is through the "I AM THE TRUTH".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Why do you care so much about what day he rose on or what day Christians choose for church service? Yeah, scripture strongly indicates he was long gone before Sunday morning hit. But really, who cares when it comes down to it? What is important is that he died for our sins and rose again, its finished. Is this a salvation issue to you?

Why care? Because God cared 'so much about what day he rose on' that it became a golden thread woven into the history and "ALL the Scriptures concerning the Christ how that He HAD TO, suffer and THE THIRD DAY RISE", according to ALL the Scriptures, "the day The Seventh Day God RESTED ON".

It's enough reason for me to engage with all eternity although for you it's an issue of no importance.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

He kept the Sabbath, He Kept the Appointed Feasts. He even Kept the Feast of dedication, which is Hanukkah, which was not a commanded Feast, He is our example!!

He kept the Sabbath because He is the Lord of the Sabbath, the Son of Man who keeps and protects his, "My Holy Day". We are the transgressors of it; always have been; always will be nothing else.

But Jesus did NOT keep 'the Appointed Feasts'; his Presence there was for JUDGEMENT every time. He especially did NOT keep 'the Feast of dedication which is Hanukkah' or whatever, but "WALKED OUT OF THEIR HANDS" away from it! He is our example, we should stay away from "superstitiously observing days, month, seasons, years".