The Law

[Episkopos]

one must die to self, and we don't die easy... (smile). scripture, Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

PICJAG.

Yes, a living sacrifice tends to crawl off the altar.

 

[soul man]

one must die to self, and we don't die easy... (smile). scripture, Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

PICJAG.

Thanks, I'm wondering how we die to self, Paul said you are already dead, Romans 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We can reckon ourselves dead, but again that takes us into mind renewal. Crucified in Christ is instantaneous when you believed because of the cross.

 

[bbyrd009]

Crucified in Christ is instantaneous when you believed because of the cross.

If that were true then there would be no twice the sons of hell or seven worse spirits I guess. Which is why it is necessary to change all of those instances of pistis into mere "belief" imo

 

[soul man]

If that were true then there would be no twice the sons of hell or seven worse spirits I guess. Which is why it is necessary to change all of those instances of pistis into mere "belief" imo

When do you suppose it happens?

 

[bbyrd009]

When do you suppose it happens?

well, I guess we should first get clear on how often it happens, wherein I would maintain "few," as in like 2 in a million, or something roughly along those lines. So, if you are happily singing "when we all get to heaven" right now, then anything else I might have to say would not be appreciated I guess...bc I mean, another valid reply here is "I suppose it usually doesn't happen at all, as Scripture apparently goes to some length to make plain"

 

[bbyrd009]

When do you suppose it happens?

Um, I note that Colin Kaepernick got crucified fwiw; imo that is when it happens.
Father pls do not dangle $8Figures in front of me in the same manner lol

 

[soul man]

The christian life isn't easy by any stretch. When you believe you now have an enemy. Then there is a struggle with the old man.

I understand what you are saying when you talk about the Christian life, I wonder why that is? Have any thoughts

 

[soul man]

If that were true then there would be no twice the sons of hell or seven worse spirits I guess.[/QUOTE
What do you think was crucified "in christ" on the cross, something died in Christ?

Also what do you think would cause Paul to use language such as Gal. 2:20,
"I am crucified with Christ."

Did he come to an epiphany! was mind renewal the key! was it time and study! What caused Paul to recognize the cross?

 

[Episkopos]

Thanks, I'm wondering how we die to self, Paul said you are already dead, Romans 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We can reckon ourselves dead, but again that takes us into mind renewal. Crucified in Christ is instantaneous when you believed because of the cross.

God grants us a visitation for an experience of the cross....so that we are out of the way....stuck to a wall as it were. So HE does the crucifying of the outer natural man in us. This is beyond what we can do. He does this in a spiritual event... by the operation of God. He is the doctor....we are the patient.

Even though most people won't get this...there are 2 ways that God operates strength in us. One is to fill us with His Spirit...and the other is to take away our own strength through the power of the cross. From there we realize our weakness and cry our to God....that is unless He has already filled us with Himself.

 

[bbyrd009]

What do you think was crucified "in christ" on the cross, something died in Christ?

Also what do you think would cause Paul to use language such as Gal. 2:20,
"I am crucified with Christ."

Did he come to an epiphany! was mind renewal the key! was it time and study! What caused Paul to recognize the cross?

Well, those are interesting questions, granted, but they are not addressing my post?
Anyway, by way of reply, apparently Paul had an epiphany, yes. But I'm not sure it's very fair to compare Paul to most believers today, no matter how much a believer might like to?

How might you even compare our model of salvation with Paul's epiphany? By stating that your ego is automatically crucified when you say the right words in a certain building? Or when you say you "believe" a certain thing? I don't think Paul was testifying of himself there, like most ppl read

 

[soul man]

Well, those are interesting questions, granted, but they are not addressing my post?
Anyway, by way of reply, apparently Paul had an epiphany, yes. But I'm not sure it's very fair to compare Paul to most believers today, no matter how much a believer might like to?

How might you even compare our model of salvation with Paul's epiphany? By stating that your ego is automatically crucified when you say the right words in a certain building? Or when you say you "believe" a certain thing? I don't think Paul was testifying of himself there, like most ppl read

Yea true and I agree but you know we have the same teacher (the HolySpirit) as paul did, so I just have to wonder what is going on in Christianity.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yea true and I agree but you know we have the same teacher (the HolySpirit) as paul did, so I just have to wonder what is going on in Christianity.

Ah, ya. Well, the heir is under servants until he inherits I guess, which imo turns out to be like a contrary way to say that when you are on the run from the authorities with a price on your head, like Paul, you maybe come to understand the value of life, more abundantly

 

[CoreIssue]

God grants us a visitation for an experience of the cross....so that we are out of the way....stuck to a wall as it were. So HE does the crucifying of the outer natural man in us. This is beyond what we can do. He does this in a spiritual event... by the operation of God. He is the doctor....we are the patient.

Even though most people won't get this...there are 2 ways that God operates strength in us. One is to fill us with His Spirit...and the other is to take away our own strength through the power of the cross. From there we realize our weakness and cry our to God....that is unless He has already filled us with Himself.

Where do you get all the nonsense from? Gnosticism?