The Lord will fight for Israel and Jerusalem; Zech. 12

[IndianaRob]

Last time the numbers were counted, Hamas and Hezbollah were Islamic.
Israel isn't.

Here is what you can count on.
Israel is going to Kill more "puppets of Iran" in the next 3 months, and it will be Hezbollah who is going to die, and they had no idea it was coming with such ferocious force.
Netanyhu has warned these incredible religious morons to "stop" or die, and they just think this is funny.
Today, Hezbollah bombed a playground, and at least 11 Jews are dead.. .so far., and this is going to capitulate into such a death of Hezbollah, that its going to be stunning, even to Iran, who is paying for all this DEATH, that is come to Arab Citizens as well.

So, as you want to point your ignorant finger and bent mentality in the direction of "blame", then blame Iran, this government, whose very Constitution says that the total elimination-annihilation = of Israel is the main priority. Is there reason to EXIST.
They are going to find out, that nothing is going to keep them safe, as the reality is, Israel has purposely held back from actually bombing the actual Leaders of Iran, In Iran.

= Coming soon....

Soon, Iran is going to lose their Nuke Facilities, and their Leadership needs to make peace with their "allah" as they are about to find out that there were no "virgins" waiting for them in "paradise".. as they are going to wake up in The Christian HELL, and wont they be surprised..

But thats ok, as Devils will get what they deserve..

- Count on it... "signed God"....




You are confusing "fighting to stay alive" with "Genocide"

See, Israel does not shoot Rockets into Gaza... They shoot rockets at the Rockets and Rocket Launchers that these Muslim Devils hide next to their Civilians.

I wish I could say that you’re wrong but unfortunately you’re probably right. Zionist will eventually do the same to the entire world as the Christian Zionist cheer them on.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Let’s pray that God wipes Israel out for brutally murdering all those innocent women and babies much of which are or rather were Christian but they’re dead now.

I just watched a video today where an aid worker said he had never seen so many babies with bullet holes in their heads.

Actually Israel is the only nation that going to be left after all is said and done.

Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a fullend of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Jeremiah 46:28
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a fullend of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

 

[IndianaRob]

Actually Israel is the only nation that going to be left after all is said and done.

Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a fullend of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Jeremiah 46:28
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a fullend of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

According to Jeremiah 30 verse 8, verse 11 takes place when the bondage of the wicked Jews (the Jews who hate God and are the enemies of the gospel) is broken off the neck of the righteous Jews (those who love God and keep his commandments) and the righteous Jews will serve David their king (Jesus).

Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:


Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

According to Jeremiah 30 verse 8, verse 11 takes place when the bondage of the wicked Jews (the Jews who hate God and are the enemies of the gospel) is broken off the neck of the righteous Jews (those who love God and keep his commandments) and the righteous Jews will serve David their king (Jesus).

Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:


Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Those verses are speaking of the time coming when Israel shall be freed from the yoke of bondage, it is a time of deliverance for Israel when the great tribulation begins.

Jeremiah 30:7-10

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7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.”

This time of trouble and of deliverance for Gods people is also shown here…

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

[IndianaRob]

Those verses are speaking of the time coming when Israel shall be freed from the yoke of bondage, it is a time of deliverance for Israel when the great tribulation begins.

Jeremiah 30:7-10​

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7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.”

This time of trouble and of deliverance for Gods people is also shown here…

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Could you elaborate on verse 8? Who is the he in "his yoke" and who is the the thy in "thy neck"?

My view his in "his yoke" are the pharisees and wicked Jews who were Lording over the righteous Jews and that bondage was broken when God took the kingdom from the wicked Jews and gave it to the righteous Jews, the nation that was to bring in the fruits kingdom.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Could you elaborate on verse 8? Who is the he in "his yoke" and who is the the thy in "thy neck"?

My view his in "his yoke" are the pharisees and wicked Jews who were Lording over the righteous Jews and that bondage was broken when God took the kingdom from the wicked Jews and gave it to the righteous Jews, the nation that was to bring in the fruits kingdom.

That is the yoke of Satan. It is speaking of being in bondage to sin.

Ezekiel 21:25
And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

 

[IndianaRob]

That is the yoke of Satan. It is speaking of being in bondage to sin.

Ezekiel 21:25
And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

I don't agree but I see the logic behind what you're saying.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The only people who benefit from the Palestinian genocide is Israel.

The difference is if these people would quit attacking Israel then there would be peace.

Israel has every right to defend their nation whether you like it or not.

 

[IndianaRob]

The difference is if these people would quit attacking Israel then there would be peace.

Israel has every right to defend their nation whether you like it or not.

Israel founded Hamas, Hamas attacked Israel and the Palestinians are the ones being genocided for it.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Israel founded Hamas, Hamas attacked Israel and the Palestinians are the ones being genocided for it.

Wrong. “HAMAS emerged in 1987 during the first Palestinian uprising, or intifada, as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch. The group is committed to armed resistance against Israel and the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in Israel's place.”(end quote)

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

In the news…

Iran Heat Wave Nearly Breaks World Record​

Iranians experiencing some of the hottest temperatures 'ever endured by humankind,' as heat index hits 164 degrees (73 C).(end quote)​

Could this be an act of God?

Revelation 16:9
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

 

[IndianaRob]

Wrong. “HAMAS emerged in 1987 during the first Palestinian uprising, or intifada, as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch. The group is committed to armed resistance against Israel and the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in Israel's place.”(end quote)

Excerpt from the Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

“To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Excerpt from the Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

“To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.”

Stay away from the frog flavored Kool aid.

 

[IndianaRob]

Stay away from the frog

Stay away from the frog flavored Kool aid.

It’s in all major news outlets, I’m just not willing to pay money to look at their articles

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It’s in all major news outlets, I’m just not willing to pay money to look at their articles

The liberal leftist news media is the mouth piece of the Dragon.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I disagree, because both Jews and Gentiles can come to repentance up until the last day.

I did not say otherwise. We're not on the same page here.

The fulness of Gentiles has to do with the time when the transgressors are come to fullness.

Daniel 8:23
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

I don't know what you're intending to say here. Please explain. Are you equating Gentiles with "the transgressors"? That makes no sense. The Gentiles in Romans 11 refers to Gentile believers who are grafted in with Israelite believers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I would say that Amil doctrine is in error then because the thousand year reign of Christ does not start until AFTER the resurrection and judgement at the last day.

You should not just immediately dismiss Amilllennialism just because you are not familiar with it. Scripture teaches that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same hour/time in John 5:28-29. And scripture teaches that all people will be judged at the same time in Matthew 25:31-46. How do you reconcile your doctrine with those passages? And why do you have more days following "the last day"? In your doctrine the last day is not really the last day, but it is literally the last day in Amillennialism. The last day in history, which is when Jesus Christ will return and burn up the heavens and the earth at which point the eternal new heavens and new earth will be ushered in (2 Peter 3:10-13).

Revelation 5:9-10​

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9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Why did you not quote the following passage which shows the 2 above passages to be a current reality:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see here that Jesus Christ IS "the prince of the kings of the earth"? He reigns now. Can you see here that He "HATH MADE us kings and priests unto God and His Father"? It has already been done. We are kings and priests NOW. As other scripture confirms.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Notice, Peter said we ARE "a royal priesthood". You should interpret Revelation 5:9-10 and Revelation 20:4-6 accordingly so that you don't interpret those passages in such a way that contradicts passages like Revelation 1:5-6 and 1 Peter 2:9-10. Taking a futuristic approach to the book of Revelation is a mistake. It is not a futuristic book, it is a historical and idealist book. It talks about things that occurred in the past, that were occurring at the time the book was written, things that would be ongoing after that time and to future things.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

One thing I found out when doing construction, is that if you start out in error you will also end up in error. I pointed out the first error. If I were to comment on every error I see in these forums, there would not be enough time in the day.

So I pick and choose the errors I want to address.

In another post you had to ask what Amil (Amillennialism) is, so for you to think you have refuted something that you do not yet even understand is silly.

Are you willing to learn something new? Then you should consider Amillennialism which teaches that Jesus Christ reigns now (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6), that His followers are priests in His kingdom now (Rev 1:5-6, 1 Peter 2:9-10), that Satan was bound by Jesus long ago (Heb 2:14-15, 1 John 3:8, Luke 10:17-18, John 12:31-33, Matthew 12:28-29, Acts 26:14-18), that all dead believers from all time will be resurrected at the same time (1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 Thess 4:14-17, John 6:40), that the bodies of all believers from all time will be changed at the same time (1 Cor 15:50-54), that all living unbelievers on earth will be killed when Jesus returns (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Rev 19:11-21), that all of the dead, saved and lost will be resurrected at generally the same hour/time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46).

I believe Premillennialism (your current belief) cannot be reconciled with any of the passages that I listed above. A belief that any mortals will survive the second coming of Christ contradicts much scripture. A belief that there will be multiple mass resurrection events in the future contradicts scripture. A belief that there will be multiple judgment days in the future contradicts scripture. And so on. You clearly have never taken the time to carefully compare your interpretation of Revelation 20 with the rest of scripture, but you should.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is confused noise. The martyred souls said “and we shall reign on the earth.”

That is a forward looking statement when the time comes that “we shall” reign on earth “after”the resurrection at the last day.

There is harmony to the text not confused noise.

Amillennialists agree that we shall reign on the earth after the resurrection at the last day, which is the day Jesus will return, but the earth will have been made new at that point (2 Peter 3:10-13) and we will inherit it forever (Matt 5:5).

As Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13, in accordance with the promise of Christ's second coming, we are looking forward to new heavens and a new earth where righteousness will dwell. He didn't say we're looking forward to a temporal earthly kingdom, but rather to the eternal new heavens and new earth. At His second coming, Jesus will rid the earth of sin and death forever, resulting in the new earth where righteousness, and only righteousness, will dwell forever.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I don't know what you're intending to say here. Please explain. Are you equating Gentiles with "the transgressors"?

The Gentiles I am referring to are the “uncircumcised” in heart/mind/spirit.

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.